There will be a relocation fee that will be hefty, because the optics of buying the Coyotes for $250M when Seattle just paid $650M aren’t good.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't see them going anywhere. Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US. The NHL wants to be there. They also have a growing hockey market in terms of youth players. They may have been too early to strike in Phoenix, but there's a very high likelihood it all pays off. They just need to turn the franchise around into not a laughingstock.

There are two other arenas nearby they can play at until Tempe is ready - the former . . .what was it called, the United Airlines Centre or something like that? - arena is still there. This could also just be a catty negotiation ploy by the city of Glendale because they are unhappy with the team's intention to terminate in two years on their own.

I've never been there, but I understand that the arena in Glendale is sort of in the middle of nowhere. Without the hockey team, it's not a huge draw.

I don't see them going anywhere. Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US. The NHL wants to be there. They also have a growing hockey market in terms of youth players. They may have been too early to strike in Phoenix, but there's a very high likelihood it all pays off. They just need to turn the franchise around into not a laughingstock.

There are two other arenas nearby they can play at until Tempe is ready - the former . . .what was it called, the United Airlines Centre or something like that? - arena is still there. This could also just be a catty negotiation ploy by the city of Glendale because they are unhappy with the team's intention to terminate in two years on their own.

I've never been there, but I understand that the arena in Glendale is sort of in the middle of nowhere. Without the hockey team, it's not a huge draw.
- Monkeypunk

Houston or Portland seem like the only viable options for relocation to me.

I don't see them going anywhere. Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US. The NHL wants to be there. They also have a growing hockey market in terms of youth players. They may have been too early to strike in Phoenix, but there's a very high likelihood it all pays off. They just need to turn the franchise around into not a laughingstock.

There are two other arenas nearby they can play at until Tempe is ready - the former . . .what was it called, the United Airlines Centre or something like that? - arena is still there. This could also just be a catty negotiation ploy by the city of Glendale because they are unhappy with the team's intention to terminate in two years on their own.

I've never been there, but I understand that the arena in Glendale is sort of in the middle of nowhere. Without the hockey team, it's not a huge draw.
- Monkeypunk

From the reading I've done, apparently both alternative arenas are terrible for hockey.

Phoenix may be a large TV market, but they've consistently demonstrated they have no interest in supporting a hockey team.

But it's worse than that. The State of Arizona is currently militant that they won't pony up big bucks to build pro sports teams' facilities.

So you've got a team with no place to play, and at this point they don't even have a plan for a new arena, let alone shovels in the ground. Realistically, they won't have a new arena for at least five years.

The team is already bleeding money.

How much longer is the owner willing to do so?

Houston or Portland seem like the only viable options for relocation to me.
- BINGO!

that would be my guess if it were to happen

I don't see them going anywhere. Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the US. The NHL wants to be there. They also have a growing hockey market in terms of youth players. They may have been too early to strike in Phoenix, but there's a very high likelihood it all pays off. They just need to turn the franchise around into not a laughingstock.

There are two other arenas nearby they can play at until Tempe is ready - the former . . .what was it called, the United Airlines Centre or something like that? - arena is still there. This could also just be a catty negotiation ploy by the city of Glendale because they are unhappy with the team's intention to terminate in two years on their own.

I've never been there, but I understand that the arena in Glendale is sort of in the middle of nowhere. Without the hockey team, it's not a huge draw.
- Monkeypunk

By the Coyotes arena the NFL Cardinals have their stadium, and Glendale expanded that area to the point that they don’t need the Coyotes anymore. At one point yet they were the anchor tenant to that area, now, not so much. Also the Dodgers and Whitesox have spring training at Glendale every year. The city will be fine. The Coyotes? That remains to be seen. Also if they relocate no sure thing that the owner wants to sell the team. The NHL made a big deal out of having the first Spanish owner and don’t want him to go unless he wants to go

By the Coyotes arena the NFL Cardinals have their stadium, and Glendale expanded that area to the point that they don’t need the Coyotes anymore. At one point yet they were the anchor tenant to that area, now, not so much. Also the Dodgers and Whitesox have spring training at Glendale every year. The city will be fine. The Coyotes? That remains to be seen. Also if they relocate no sure thing that the owner wants to sell the team. The NHL made a big deal out of having the first Spanish owner and don’t want him to go unless he wants to go
- Dropthepucknotgloves

I know what you meant, but this made me chuckle.

From the reading I've done, apparently both alternative arenas are terrible for hockey.

Phoenix may be a large TV market, but they've consistently demonstrated they have no interest in supporting a hockey team.

But it's worse than that. The State of Arizona is currently militant that they won't pony up big bucks to build pro sports teams' facilities.

So you've got a team with no place to play, and at this point they don't even have a plan for a new arena, let alone shovels in the ground. Realistically, they won't have a new arena for at least five years.

The team is already bleeding money.

How much longer is the owner willing to do so?
- Atomic Wedgie

Just out of curiosity, why is talking stick not on the table here? Assuming it's been ruled out numerous times for obvious reasons given its smack downtown Phoenix and the suns already play there...

By the Coyotes arena the NFL Cardinals have their stadium, and Glendale expanded that area to the point that they don’t need the Coyotes anymore. At one point yet they were the anchor tenant to that area, now, not so much. Also the Dodgers and Whitesox have spring training at Glendale every year. The city will be fine. The Coyotes? That remains to be seen. Also if they relocate no sure thing that the owner wants to sell the team. The NHL made a big deal out of having the first Spanish owner and don’t want him to go unless he wants to go
- Dropthepucknotgloves

Did they? It wasn't such a big deal that I noticed! But certainly in times when diversity or the optics of diversity are socially important, decisions are going to be skewed, there's no doubt.

I'll take your word for the area - as I'd said, I'm not that familiar. It was some cursory reading from opinions of local residents, but even looking at different residents' takes on the situation, it was quite varied in terms of who to blame and so on.

5 years ago I was all for contraction and relocation. It doesn't seem to be any better now. If they relocated, it would probably be a short-term help to the league in terms of overall revenue - but there are still viable and potential long-term gains available in Phoenix, is really the take I have.

From the reading I've done, apparently both alternative arenas are terrible for hockey.

Phoenix may be a large TV market, but they've consistently demonstrated they have no interest in supporting a hockey team.

But it's worse than that. The State of Arizona is currently militant that they won't pony up big bucks to build pro sports teams' facilities.

So you've got a team with no place to play, and at this point they don't even have a plan for a new arena, let alone shovels in the ground. Realistically, they won't have a new arena for at least five years.

The team is already bleeding money.

How much longer is the owner willing to do so?
- Atomic Wedgie

The owner doesn't pay his (frank)ing bills so he doesn't care. That's a big part of why Glendale is booting them. Meruelo owes the city a bunch of money and they don't believe he's ever going to pay them.

From the reading I've done, apparently both alternative arenas are terrible for hockey.

Phoenix may be a large TV market, but they've consistently demonstrated they have no interest in supporting a hockey team.

But it's worse than that. The State of Arizona is currently militant that they won't pony up big bucks to build pro sports teams' facilities.

So you've got a team with no place to play, and at this point they don't even have a plan for a new arena, let alone shovels in the ground. Realistically, they won't have a new arena for at least five years.

The team is already bleeding money.

How much longer is the owner willing to do so?
- Atomic Wedgie

I thought the Tempe thing was a done deal - but looking at it, it's prospective still, but the Coyotes announced that they were moving to Tempe. Just looking under the covers, it looks like both the Coyotes and Glendale are using the public as negotiation tactics. The Coyotes have more to lose, I'd imagine, in this game of chicken.

I've also read that both arenas are terrible for hockey - but they would _do_ in the short-term.

It really does depend on the NHL and the Coyotes' owner on this investment. In an article I was reading, Meurelo would be in for a $1B investment in Tempe. That doesn't sound like a good business decision given the history of hockey-based revenue in the State.

Just out of curiosity, why is talking stick not on the table here? Assuming it's been ruled out numerous times for obvious reasons given its smack downtown Phoenix and the suns already play there...
- joel878

From this site, that I never new existed until today:

https://icehockey.fandom....alking_Stick_Resort_Arena

NHL years
When the Winnipeg Jets NHL franchise announced their intention to move to Phoenix as the Coyotes for the 1996-97 season, the arena was quickly reconfigured for hockey. Unlike most multipurpose arenas, America West Arena's sightlines were not designed with a hockey rink in mind. While its tight seating configuration suits basketball very well, it made it difficult to fit a standard NHL rink onto the floor. The lower level had to be sheared in half to fit the rink and create retractable seating.

As it turned out, the result was completely inadequate for the Coyotes. Most notably, a section of seats in the upper level actually hung over the boards, obstructing the view from over 3,000 seats. In those areas, a good chunk of the view from beyond the top of the face-off circle was cut off. The problem was so serious that after the team's first season in Phoenix, the team had to curtain off some seats in the areas where the view was particularly obstructed, cutting listed capacity from over 18,000 seats to just over 16,000.

The Coyotes added a second video board in an area where the view was particularly obstructed, and also put up numerous proposals to improve sight lines in order to boost capacity back over the 17,000 mark. They also had to sell many obstructed-view tickets at a reduced price. In addition, an unfavorable lease caused further financial troubles from which the franchise has never recovered. The Coyotes moved into an arena of their own, Jobing.com Arena located in suburban Glendale for the 2003–04 NHL season.

I thought the Tempe thing was a done deal - but looking at it, it's prospective still, but the Coyotes announced that they were moving to Tempe. Just looking under the covers, it looks like both the Coyotes and Glendale are using the public as negotiation tactics. The Coyotes have more to lose, I'd imagine, in this game of chicken.

I've also read that both arenas are terrible for hockey - but they would _do_ in the short-term.

It really does depend on the NHL and the Coyotes' owner on this investment. In an article I was reading, Meurelo would be in for a $1B investment in Tempe. That doesn't sound like a good business decision given the history of hockey-based revenue in the State.
- Monkeypunk

This is the guy that bought the bankrupt Sahara hotel in Vegas, only sort of half refurbished the thing and relaunched it as the SLS Las Vegas. That lasted only a few years before they realized it wasn't working and rebranded as Sahara again. Guy doesn't know what he's doing.

From this site, that I never new existed until today:

https://icehockey.fandom....alking_Stick_Resort_Arena

NHL years
When the Winnipeg Jets NHL franchise announced their intention to move to Phoenix as the Coyotes for the 1996-97 season, the arena was quickly reconfigured for hockey. Unlike most multipurpose arenas, America West Arena's sightlines were not designed with a hockey rink in mind. While its tight seating configuration suits basketball very well, it made it difficult to fit a standard NHL rink onto the floor. The lower level had to be sheared in half to fit the rink and create retractable seating.

As it turned out, the result was completely inadequate for the Coyotes. Most notably, a section of seats in the upper level actually hung over the boards, obstructing the view from over 3,000 seats. In those areas, a good chunk of the view from beyond the top of the face-off circle was cut off. The problem was so serious that after the team's first season in Phoenix, the team had to curtain off some seats in the areas where the view was particularly obstructed, cutting listed capacity from over 18,000 seats to just over 16,000.

The Coyotes added a second video board in an area where the view was particularly obstructed, and also put up numerous proposals to improve sight lines in order to boost capacity back over the 17,000 mark. They also had to sell many obstructed-view tickets at a reduced price. In addition, an unfavorable lease caused further financial troubles from which the franchise has never recovered. The Coyotes moved into an arena of their own, Jobing.com Arena located in suburban Glendale for the 2003–04 NHL season.
- Atomic Wedgie

Fun historical fact: the original Boston Garden had the same sightline problems. It was originally built for boxing. I poop you not.

I never got to see a game there, but I did take a tour the summer after the last hockey game there.

Im so sick of the coyotes and their yearly financial and arena issues.
Move the team already.
Bring them to Toronto...Matthews can sign with them when his contract is up.
McDavid signs with the Leafs when his is up and we can watch two teams do nothing in the playoffs.
It will be much fun, yes?

Fun historical fact: the original Boston Garden had the same sightline problems. It was originally built for boxing. I poop you not.

I never got to see a game there, but I did take a tour the summer after the last hockey game there.
- Atomic Wedgie

Barclays in Brooklyn had the same issue. That was a huge mess for the Islanders.

Im so sick of the coyotes and their yearly financial and arena issues.
Move the team already.
Bring them to Toronto...Matthews can sign with them when his contract is up.
McDavid signs with the Leafs when his is up and we can watch two teams do nothing in the playoffs.
It will be much fun, yes?


- Fakepartofme

I realize you are just having fun, but I always like the idea of a second team in Toronto (yes, I know it will never happen - the Leafs would never allow it).

But I'm assuming that if it did happen, the new team would at least start in the Western Conference.

As a fan, it would be like having a second child - you don't love the first any less, you just have more love in your heart.

I'd imagine there would be plenty of people like me who would cheer for both teams.

Barclays in Brooklyn had the same issue. That was a huge mess for the Islanders.
- BINGO!

I did go see a game there.

I know that opposing fans liked to make fun of the place (the scoreboard hung over the blueline, the car parked next to the glass behind the net), but we actually thought the sightlines were pretty good, from the cheap seats we bought.

The lines were franking horrendous for food and drink, though.

You'll look great in a Sabres uniform.
- Atomic Wedgie

sure, "brief"ly

I thought the Tempe thing was a done deal - but looking at it, it's prospective still, but the Coyotes announced that they were moving to Tempe. Just looking under the covers, it looks like both the Coyotes and Glendale are using the public as negotiation tactics. The Coyotes have more to lose, I'd imagine, in this game of chicken.

I've also read that both arenas are terrible for hockey - but they would _do_ in the short-term.

It really does depend on the NHL and the Coyotes' owner on this investment. In an article I was reading, Meurelo would be in for a $1B investment in Tempe. That doesn't sound like a good business decision given the history of hockey-based revenue in the State.
- Monkeypunk

The team is looking for $ from either Phoenix or Tempe and that might be a tough sell in ultra conservative Arizona especially after things went so bad with Glendale. Apparently the Yotes have written Glendale saying we love you after all and want to stay - long term.

The team is looking for $ from either Phoenix or Tempe and that might be a tough sell in ultra conservative Arizona especially after things went so bad with Glendale. Apparently the Yotes have written Glendale saying we love you after all and want to stay - long term.
- Canada Cup

If it was going to cost me $1B and I'd be homeless for 5 years, I'd probably get back together with my ex, too.

I'm sorry, baby. I can change.

I realize you are just having fun, but I always like the idea of a second team in Toronto (yes, I know it will never happen - the Leafs would never allow it).

But I'm assuming that if it did happen, the new team would at least start in the Western Conference.

As a fan, it would be like having a second child - you don't love the first any less, you just have more love in your heart.

I'd imagine there would be plenty of people like me who would cheer for both teams.
- Atomic Wedgie

I have no doubt there would be for sure

Mike Augello: Matthews gets cover of EA’s NHL 22
- mikeinbuffalo

Congrats Austin on setting a record for fewest assists (36) and playoff series wins (0) to make a cover! It's a shame Cheechoo's 56G, 37A season didn't get the same attention. Same one-dimensional skill set.

From this site, that I never new existed until today:

https://icehockey.fandom....alking_Stick_Resort_Arena

NHL years
When the Winnipeg Jets NHL franchise announced their intention to move to Phoenix as the Coyotes for the 1996-97 season, the arena was quickly reconfigured for hockey. Unlike most multipurpose arenas, America West Arena's sightlines were not designed with a hockey rink in mind. While its tight seating configuration suits basketball very well, it made it difficult to fit a standard NHL rink onto the floor. The lower level had to be sheared in half to fit the rink and create retractable seating.

As it turned out, the result was completely inadequate for the Coyotes. Most notably, a section of seats in the upper level actually hung over the boards, obstructing the view from over 3,000 seats. In those areas, a good chunk of the view from beyond the top of the face-off circle was cut off. The problem was so serious that after the team's first season in Phoenix, the team had to curtain off some seats in the areas where the view was particularly obstructed, cutting listed capacity from over 18,000 seats to just over 16,000.

The Coyotes added a second video board in an area where the view was particularly obstructed, and also put up numerous proposals to improve sight lines in order to boost capacity back over the 17,000 mark. They also had to sell many obstructed-view tickets at a reduced price. In addition, an unfavorable lease caused further financial troubles from which the franchise has never recovered. The Coyotes moved into an arena of their own, Jobing.com Arena located in suburban Glendale for the 2003–04 NHL season.
- Atomic Wedgie

Thanks for that. 👍

Show me on the doll where Auston touched you.
- joel878