Habs could have traded their next 5 first round picks if they wanted to get a center.

a later 1st round pick really does not change much.

Eichel is broken and likely will not be the same player going forward - so the Habs will super overpay for him or just plain overpay for a mediocre center in a panic move.

This smells like the Gomez off-season all over again....
- Mashadar

I don’t know. So many youngsters unsigned yet and hockey is pretty close, something else might be in the work. You seem always mad at whatever the Habs do lol. Why keep coming on theses forums? I can’t remember the last time you looked happy about the Habs

Andrew Zadarnowski on Twitter: Habs will match no doubt

Grant McCagg is optimistic: Montreal will match the Kotkaniemi offer sheet. I'm not sure that's even debatable. He'll have a productive season and next summer he'll sign a long-term contract in the $6-8M range.
- AGalchenyuk27

I Danault about that one

yes, so they made a trade for a C not long ago

I could mention Danault as well. He's gone but Mashadar is wrong, once again

you know he is
- deadpoulet

He also trade for Drouin as his #1 C.

Can't say Bergevin made a mistake without knowing what players were being offered. A first and third for a mediocre third liner is a great return.
- hunglikeapuck

Is it a great return for a 21 year old 3rd overall pick?

yes, so they made a trade for a C not long ago

I could mention Danault as well. He's gone but Mashadar is wrong, once again

you know he is
- deadpoulet

Mash is talking about trading for an established centre who can step in the top 6 right away.

The patches trade was not montreal looking for a center. It was Montreal trying to get rid of their captain for no reason, but to cut salary.

[quote=Mashadar]


No extension until this current 6.1 mil/yr deal expires.

A QO of 6.7 or there about is the starting point next year from KK's perspective.

Not too sure it is a mistake on MB to know KK wanted out and not done something. Maybe the offers were all low ball.....so Carolina does Montreal a favor with this offer sheet.

Take the picks.....then it all becomes about what KK does going forward, and what Montreal turns those picks into, before knowing who 'won' this drama.

He also trade for Drouin as his #1 C.
- Mashadar

that was a mistake, but you only focus on the negative

I try to have some fun in here which is why you see a lot of hihihi and poops


Even with KK in the line up, was that a playoff team? Maybe, maybe not.

Andrew Zadarnowski on Twitter: Habs will match no doubt

Grant McCagg is optimistic: Montreal will match the Kotkaniemi offer sheet. I'm not sure that's even debatable. He'll have a productive season and next summer he'll sign a long-term contract in the $6-8M range.
- AGalchenyuk27

Lol okay have fun with that.

Is it a great return for a 21 year old 3rd overall pick?
- BINGO!

No unless the pick turns into Shane Wright

[quote=Mashadar]
Nothing about it? they just got a first and a third.

Lol okay have fun with that.
- BINGO!

Didn’t those 2 blog here lol??

Is it a great return for a 21 year old 3rd overall pick?
- BINGO!

3rd overall has nothing to do with it. we're not discussing if it was a good pick or not.
the question is what has he done? what is he? currently, he's an average 3rd liner. period. 3rd overall or 30 overall doesn't make any difference.
so yes, a 1st and a 3rd for an average 3rd liner is a decent return.

now if you want to talk about the pick... that's another story.

[quote=Frozendisc]

Why would Carolina offer more in a trade than what they would give up doing an offer sheet?

Probably offered the same picks, Habs said no, so Carolina said "well, (frank) ya then, and threw this offer sheet at him."

Extremely unlikely you get a #2C with 4 years of cost certainty on a club friendly contract (Dvorak) for Carolina's 2022 1st & 3rd.
Great force by Waddell!

Mash is talking about trading for an established centre who can step in the top 6 right away.

The patches trade was not montreal looking for a center. It was Montreal trying to get rid of their captain for no reason, but to cut salary.
- mr.peanut

I don't think so. Tatar was a throw in in that trade. They wanted Suzuki, which made more sense than Patches for a reset. And Suzuki was a C, something they wanted and needed.

3rd overall has nothing to do with it. we're not discussing if it was a good pick or not.
the question is what has he done? what is he? currently, he's an average 3rd liner. period. 3rd overall or 30 overall doesn't make any difference.
so yes, a 1st and a 3rd for an average 3rd liner is a decent return.

now if you want to talk about the pick... that's another story.

- fidopro

All about potential. I still think he can be a 45-50 point guy if given the time to develop properly.

And yeah, right now, he's a 3rd liner. Exactly where he'd play in Raleigh, learning from J.Staal about how to be the type of two-way player he pretty clearly is.

Is it a great return for a 21 year old 3rd overall pick?
- BINGO!

3rd overall means what it means.

suzuki is already better than him

galchenyuk was 3rd overall and so was Drouin

I don’t know. So many youngsters unsigned yet and hockey is pretty close, something else might be in the work. You seem always mad at whatever the Habs do lol. Why keep coming on theses forums? I can’t remember the last time you looked happy about the Habs
- MONSTERSofMETALZ

Here is what I am mad about.

Terrible asset management.

1 / Habs wasted picks and youth in the first few years of MB's 5-year plan in getting mediocre vets and sign terrible free agents.

2/ Habs shift to youth movement, but only do somewhat well in development (and mostly fail)

3/ Spend last year pushing youth aside for mediocre vets

In the process, they wasted a 3rd (Galchenyuk, who should have went back to junior, after missing most of the previous year with an injury), trade Sergachev for their magic 1st line canter in Drouin, who has been mediocre at best and never a proven center, and wasted another 3rd pick now on KK, who should also hav been sent back to the Finnish league or the AHL.

This team lacks clear strategy in managing assets and developing players... it is all half assed.

I really do not give a poop if they lose for 5 years but can show something solid for the next 5+ years afterwards.

Habs have had 1 mediocre pandemic year with a long playoff run. The rest, mediocre, as well.

This roster is a (frank)ing dumpster fire - with or without KK.

That is what I am (frank)ing pissed about.

All about potential. I still think he can be a 45-50 point guy if given the time to develop properly.

And yeah, right now, he's a 3rd liner. Exactly where he'd play in Raleigh, learning from J.Staal about how to be the type of two-way player he pretty clearly is.
- BINGO!

He’s actually a gritty center with a good shooting but average skills. I don’t think he’s going to become a 1 or 2C but who knows, might as well develop better in the Cane system, hopefully not.

He’s actually a gritty center with a good shooting but average skills. I don’t think he’s going to become a 1 or 2C but who knows, might as well develop better in the Cane system, hopefully not.
- MONSTERSofMETALZ

meh. still takes too much time before doing so. he doesn't release fast enough.

I don't think so. Tatar was a throw in in that trade. They wanted Suzuki, which made more sense than Patches for a reset. And Suzuki was a C, something they wanted and needed.
- deadpoulet

They wanted Glass

I hate this off-season so much.

All about potential. I still think he can be a 45-50 point guy if given the time to develop properly.

And yeah, right now, he's a 3rd liner. Exactly where he'd play in Raleigh, learning from J.Staal about how to be the type of two-way player he pretty clearly is.
- BINGO!

No he sucks now. Sorry you found out about it this way. The "we'll be loaded down the middle with the suzuKKi duo" was a ruse.

No he sucks now. Sorry you found out about it this way. The "we'll be loaded down the middle with the suzuKKi duo" was a ruse.
- mr.peanut

I don't think so. Tatar was a throw in in that trade. They wanted Suzuki, which made more sense than Patches for a reset. And Suzuki was a C, something they wanted and needed.
- deadpoulet

They wanted Glass, but because Patches forced the trade and did not give MTL much of a choice, they settled on Suzuki.

More the Habs lucking out than the Habs getting what they wanted... and likely would never have made the trade if Patches did nto want out.

So sure, they got Suzuki.