What are you trying to show there exactly?

That other NHL clubs have their struggles? To make ourselves feel better?

Of course most clubs have challenges, but since the Flyers decided to step away from Richards, and Carter things haven't been anywhere close to successful in Philadelphia. What good does it do anyone to try and minimize flaws with naive optimism? You have the power along with other writers to start asking actual hard questions of the coaches, and management team. To influence change, more than any fool watching from home can.

If you wish to defend them with some badge of loyalty and apparent rationality. I cannot stop you. Fans who have followed this team more than those wooed by a mascot, do not believe this is anywhere near good enough.

The notion that fan support was something that could always be relied on is rightfully being challenged, and in turn seen by Comcast.

I understand my criticism is harsh. It's because I am surprised to see this quite frankly. Someone who dares to drop the act, and call this franchise out for what it currently is would be so refreshing, and likely start a conversation that is long overdue.

The standard that somehow being a team that has to scrap to make a last playoff spot, win one playoff round, struggle to field one dynamic NHL star, and annually pick 14th needs to be much higher.
- FlyerFan3260

Well said

Wonder how much Ellis is dinged up already.

What are you trying to show there exactly?

That other NHL clubs have their struggles? To make ourselves feel better?

Of course most clubs have challenges, but since the Flyers decided to step away from Richards, and Carter things haven't been anywhere close to successful in Philadelphia. What good does it do anyone to try and minimize flaws with naive optimism? You have the power along with other writers to start asking actual hard questions of the coaches, and management team. To influence change, more than any fool watching from home can.

If you wish to defend them with some badge of loyalty and apparent rationality. I cannot stop you. Fans who have followed this team more than those wooed by a mascot, do not believe this is anywhere near good enough. I often wonder how Snider would react to this if he was still around? I mean, I'm guessing he would have tore the locker room apart after many games last season. We were lucky enough to have season tickets from 1985-2005 and saw some damn good hockey!! Haven't been to a game since the 2012 playoffs cause quite frankly I guess we were spoiled back in the day.

The notion that fan support was something that could always be relied on is rightfully being challenged, and in turn seen by Comcast.

I understand my criticism is harsh. It's because I am surprised to see this quite frankly. Someone who dares to drop the act, and call this franchise out for what it currently is would be so refreshing, and likely start a conversation that is long overdue.

The standard that somehow being a team that has to scrap to make a last playoff spot, win one playoff round, struggle to field one dynamic NHL star, and annually pick 14th needs to be much higher.
- FlyerFan3260

I wonder if AV and his hand picked coaching staff are shown the door by turkey day if they get off to a horrendous start and look similar to the disgrace of last year. Food for thought. Holy smokes, I just looked at the Rags starting forward group compared to the Flyers starting forwards and I'm wondering if more 9-1 games are in the offing?
- Phillywhiteout

AV will be gone by xmas. Though who do they replace him with Yeo?

Chuck f'ed up bringing him back.

I wonder why some of you are (allegedly) fans of a team you clearly loathe.

Fletcher is under a ton of pressure and put himself on the line with all of the moves he made.

The Rangers would have to get a big jump from Lafreniere and Kakko to significantly superior to the Flyers forward core.
- MJL

I would bet both players score 20+ goals this year. I would trade our forward group for theirs in a heartbeat

But also a couple of 2nd and 3rds! Who from the Flyers besides Carter Hart was drafted outside of the 1st round and has the potential to make the same impact as Kucherov, Cirelli or Point has for Tampa?
- jd250

TB got extremely lucky with a number of draft picks.

I would bet both players score 20+ goals this year. I would trade our forward group for theirs in a heartbeat
- hfc355

Wouldn't even hesitate. So funny that the flyers 2 best forwards are Holmgren guys.

I would bet both players score 20+ goals this year. I would trade our forward group for theirs in a heartbeat
- hfc355

Or more. Certainly possible.

TB got extremely lucky with a number of draft picks.
- MJL

All luck. No skill. Guess the flyers have been just unlucky for decades.

AV will be gone by xmas. Though who do they replace him with Yeo?

Chuck f'ed up bringing him back.
- hello it's me 2050

Whenever it is. I hope we hire Trotz.

I wonder why some of you are (allegedly) fans of a team you clearly loathe.
- Scoob

So enlightened.

Nothing to do with loathing the team.

Having the gall to question who is running it into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity? You are welcome to join. Frankly if we are measuring “being a fan”, which is complete nonsense anyway… To blindly cheer incompetence isn’t supporting them at all.

I’m harsh because I want better, have seen better. Expect much better.

So enlightened.

Nothing to do with loathing the team.

Having the gall to question who is running it into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity? You are welcome to join. Frankly if we are measuring “being a fan”, which is complete nonsense anyway… To blindly cheer incompetence isn’t supporting them at all.
I’m harsh because I want better, have seen better. Expect much better.
- FlyerFan3260[/quote]

[quote=FlyerFan3260]So enlightened.

Nothing to do with loathing the team.

Having the gall to question who is running it into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity? You are welcome to join. Frankly if we are measuring “being a fan”, which is complete nonsense anyway… To blindly cheer incompetence isn’t supporting them at all.
I’m harsh because I want better, have seen better. Expect much better.
- Peter Richards[/quote]

I wonder what Snider would be doing if he was still around. I'm guessing he would have tore up the locker room after many games last year. We were lucky enough to have season tickets from 1985 thru 2005 and saw some damn good hockey(although no Cups)! Haven't been to a game since 2012 playoffs now. I still watch almost every game I can and I even watched most of last year's debacle, so I am still a fan, but I ain't paying for those tickets until I see a legit team to get excited about.

So enlightened.

Nothing to do with loathing the team.

Having the gall to question who is running it into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity? You are welcome to join. Frankly if we are measuring “being a fan”, which is complete nonsense anyway… To blindly cheer incompetence isn’t supporting them at all.

I’m harsh because I want better, have seen better. Expect much better.
- FlyerFan3260

Well your user name is FlyerFan. You don’t get any bigger a fan than that.

Well your user name is FlyerFan. You don’t get any bigger a fan than that.
- Ftown19125

Haha well played. I can take a jab

So enlightened.

Nothing to do with loathing the team.

Having the gall to question who is running it into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity? You are welcome to join. Frankly if we are measuring “being a fan”, which is complete nonsense anyway… To blindly cheer incompetence isn’t supporting them at all.

I’m harsh because I want better, have seen better. Expect much better.
- FlyerFan3260

During the Holmgren years, I was all in. I loved that the team was competitive, was aggressive every year and tried to win every year. They got close once in all that time. My mind set has changed because the league has changed. It's up to each individual to decide what they want. Just being a playoff team is no longer enough for me. I want more. I don't think the Flyers current method of team building is the correct way. People make the false argument that the Flyers still have plenty of draft picks, young players and prospects. As if the Flyers under current upper management aren't going to continue to operate in that manner. Just as it was during the Holmgren years, it's cumulative. The depletion of the prospect base happens over time. The erosion of the cap situation happens over time. The Flyers have potentially positioned themselves in a position where they are a good team that is not good enough and is capped out. That is hockey purgatory. If you are satisfied with just having a more entertaining and competitive team or believe they are a contender then I guess you are happy. Either way, it's time to play the games.

The Flyers have drafted players that can play. You know, Giroux, Couturier, Provorov, Konecny, Sanheim, Hart and others. While not currently at the caliber of TB's top stars, the Flyers have a strong base to build on. It will be a shame if the organization's lack of patience ruin how Hextall positioned the team.
- MJL

I agree and I don't think Fletcher has demonstrated a lack of patience, at least not yet. However at some point you have to project what you think a player is and decide if that is enough to be a core team member or not. For example, if Frost is not playing on the Flyers by the end of the season, Fletcher may decide his game is not going to translate to the NHL as much as hoped and will move on from the player. You can't let it ride all the way to the end before you decide what to do.

TB got extremely lucky with a number of draft picks.
- MJL

They did, but that is the name of the game when drafting players, you once an d a while get lucky. I'm still waiting for the Flyers luck to change!

During the Holmgren years, I was all in. I loved that the team was competitive, was aggressive every year and tried to win every year. They got close once in all that time. My mind set has changed because the league has changed. It's up to each individual to decide what they want. Just being a playoff team is no longer enough for me. I want more. I don't think the Flyers current method of team building is the correct way. People make the false argument that the Flyers still have plenty of draft picks, young players and prospects. As if the Flyers under current upper management aren't going to continue to operate in that manner. Just as it was during the Holmgren years, it's cumulative. The depletion of the prospect base happens over time. The erosion of the cap situation happens over time. The Flyers have potentially positioned themselves in a position where they are a good team that is not good enough and is capped out. That is hockey purgatory. If you are satisfied with just having a more entertaining and competitive team or believe they are a contender then I guess you are happy. Either way, it's time to play the games.
- MJL

The entire organization needs a coffee enema. Maybe new owners. Not as far fetched as one may think....

I agree and I don't think Fletcher has demonstrated a lack of patience, at least not yet. However at some point you have to project what you think a player is and decide if that is enough to be a core team member or not. For example, if Frost is not playing on the Flyers by the end of the season, Fletcher may decide his game is not going to translate to the NHL as much as hoped and will move on from the player. You can't let it ride all the way to the end before you decide what to do.
- jd250

Fletcher absolutely has demonstrated a lack of patience. I don't blame him though. He just executed a mandate that he was given as he though best.

What are you trying to show there exactly?

That other NHL clubs have their struggles? To make ourselves feel better?

Of course most clubs have challenges, but since the Flyers decided to step away from Richards, and Carter things haven't been anywhere close to successful in Philadelphia. What good does it do anyone to try and minimize flaws with naive optimism? You have the power along with other writers to start asking actual hard questions of the coaches, and management team. To influence change, more than any fool watching from home can.

If you wish to defend them with some badge of loyalty and apparent rationality. I cannot stop you. Fans who have followed this team more than those wooed by a mascot, do not believe this is anywhere near good enough.

The notion that fan support was something that could always be relied on is rightfully being challenged, and in turn seen by Comcast.

I understand my criticism is harsh. It's because I am surprised to see this quite frankly. Someone who dares to drop the act, and call this franchise out for what it currently is would be so refreshing, and likely start a conversation that is long overdue.

The standard that somehow being a team that has to scrap to make a last playoff spot, win one playoff round, struggle to field one dynamic NHL star, and annually pick 14th needs to be much higher.
- FlyerFan3260

When the team owner also owns the broadcast and online media arms of the team, it really is nothing more than state-sponsored journalism. Look at How Keith Jones changed his tune after getting caught ripping (rightfully so) Vorachecks performance on a hot mic. I am sure that articles that are critical of the organization are frowned upon.

They did, but that is the name of the game when drafting players, you once an d a while get lucky. I'm still waiting for the Flyers luck to change!
- jd250

The same teams that you frequently champion have numerous first round misses in their recent history. As does every team.

Not everything is racist, but a mocking a black person's appearance because of the size of their lips, is.

Since talking to real people is being encouraged on here, I encourage you to speak to a African American man in real life and make the same comment Gruden did. See where that gets you.
- Feanor

Dumbest comment on here. So your telling somebody to act like a racist to prove your point. Dumb mother effer

The same teams that you frequently champion have numerous first round misses in their recent history. As does every team.
- MJL

Certainly the Flyers have had their share of misses with 1st rounders. But I think their biggest misses have been because of injuries. The injuries to their prospects have been absofrankinglutely uncanny.