What constitutes a proper rebuild?
- MJL

Essentially icing a team that isn't very good to get a high draft pick.

Tampa looks off tonight. Pens all over them.
- Hextall271

They look slow and uninspired. Old man Boyle just notched one.

Essentially icing a team that isn't very good to get a high draft pick.
- KGBflyers10

What Detroit's doing I suppose.
I think we tried to do a proper rebuild at first but then gave into the pressure from ownership to 'win now' and very few if any of our last 5-7 years of top picks have become game changers. Some good players but no superstars.

You can suck as much as you want but if your picks don't pan out it doesn't matter.

Essentially icing a team that isn't very good to get a high draft pick.
- KGBflyers10

So tanking is a proper rebuild? I would disagree.

I have been jabbed five times, wear a mask even when sleeping alone outside, trust me, I follow the science
- corduroy

But, do you double mask like you're suppose to?

I'm guessing that since you do the coffee enema in morning and the Philly blunt enema at night, you've been "jabbed" way more than 5 times.... just saying.

FYI... I haven't taken that shot at all. Had Chinese virus already and recovered just fine like 99.9% of all people. I have natural immunity now. So I guess I don't follow the "science" like I should.

So tanking is a proper rebuild? I would disagree.
- MJL

I'm always amazed at the "tanking to rebuild" idea. Have they considered the case of Buffalo at all? They've tanked themselves into oblivion.

I'm always amazed at the "taking to rebuild" idea. Have they considered the case of Buffalo at all? They've tanked themselves into oblivion.
- Letterkenney

You still need quality people/owners in place during your tanking years. Buffalo's problems have more to do with incompetence than tanking. How many coaches, owners, gms have they had in the past 10 years??

But, do you double mask like you're suppose to?

I'm guessing that since you do the coffee enema in morning and the Philly blunt enema at night, you've been "jabbed" way more than 5 times.... just saying.

FYI... I haven't taken that shot at all. Had Chinese virus already and recovered just fine like 99.9% of all people. I have natural immunity now. So I guess I don't follow the "science" like I should.
- Letterkenney

triple mask -- i think Fauci is bowing to public pressure and not telling us what we need to do to be safe. I have been jabbed more than five times, I lied about my health status and gotten boosters, 4 times.

The government does not recognize antibodies as being vaccinated, so you can no longer work for a company with more than 3 employees, your life as you know it has been canceled. The irs will be looking into your banking records and seizing your home and any paltry assets you possess -- it was nice knowing you Letterkenney, I liked your depot in central PA

You still need quality people/owners in place during your tanking years. Buffalo's problems have more to do with incompetence than tanking. How many coaches, owners, gms have they had in the past 10 years??
- fishbulb

So since they tanked, did they do a proper rebuild?

So tanking is a proper rebuild? I would disagree.
- MJL

A proper rebuild is to tear it down and build it back up. Not what Saint Ronnie did.

You need to acquire Top 5 picks at the minimum. Therefore "tanking" does work as it assures you you get those top 5 picks. That is where you have the much better chance to draft diff makers.

What you do with those pick and how you build around those picks is a diff discussion.

That being said no plan is 100% guaranteed of success. Getting high pick is your best bet along with trading your older guys who do not fit into the timeline of a rebuild.

Would anyone else like to hear MJL's plan for how to execute a proper rebuild?

You still need quality people/owners in place during your tanking years. Buffalo's problems have more to do with incompetence than tanking. How many coaches, owners, gms have they had in the past 10 years??
- fishbulb

It seems to me that those are the results of tanking to draft high. The opposite would be not tanking for high draft picks and this would mean lower turnover in coaches, and gms over the same period. The whole tanking model just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I'm always amazed at the "tanking to rebuild" idea. Have they considered the case of Buffalo at all? They've tanked themselves into oblivion.
- Letterkenney

Oilers have McDavid plus had many lottery picks. They haven’t accomplished anything.

I'm always amazed at the "tanking to rebuild" idea. Have they considered the case of Buffalo at all? They've tanked themselves into oblivion.
- Letterkenney

Disagree. their tank worked in terms of getting high picks.

Now what they did with those picks or how they built around them is a different topic. Their management is just incompetent in that dept.

You still need quality people/owners in place during your tanking years. Buffalo's problems have more to do with incompetence than tanking. How many coaches, owners, gms have they had in the past 10 years??
- fishbulb

exactly. They got the high picks. That part worked.

triple mask -- i think Fauci is bowing to public pressure and not telling us what we need to do to be safe. I have been jabbed more than five times, I lied about my health status and gotten boosters, 4 times.

The government does not recognize antibodies as being vaccinated, so you can no longer work for a company with more than 3 employees, your life as you know it has been canceled. The irs will be looking into your banking records and seizing your home and any paltry assets you possess -- it was nice knowing you Letterkenney, I liked your depot in central PA
- corduroy

flim flam man. Guy changes his mind every week. Has very little credibility anymore. If he had any self respect he would step down.

triple mask -- i think Fauci is bowing to public pressure and not telling us what we need to do to be safe. I have been jabbed more than five times, I lied about my health status and gotten boosters, 4 times.

The government does not recognize antibodies as being vaccinated, so you can no longer work for a company with more than 3 employees, your life as you know it has been canceled. The irs will be looking into your banking records and seizing your home and any paltry assets you possess -- it was nice knowing you Letterkenney, I liked your depot in central PA
- corduroy

Sounds like you need the booster booster booster booster with 30% more boost.

So since they tanked, did they do a proper rebuild?
- MJL

They only did 1/2 the plan. Tanking only guarantees you the top 10 picks.
You've still gotta pick the right kids and also keep/rent enough quality vets to guide them. They don't seem to hit on many of their top picks and also brought in questionable vets to fill in the blanks. Hall, Skinner, Kane, etc. weren't great choices.

Call it tanking or whatever you want but if you look at the past 10-15 cup winners (minus Carolina) they all have Generational or Superstar caliber players. Those players are top-5 picks for the most part and to get them you pretty much have to tank.

Oilers have McDavid plus had many lottery picks. They haven’t accomplished anything.
- arichardson22

See Buffalo.
Their management (Edm) has also been HORRIBLE.
They've refused to address any blueline/crease issues that have been apparent for a decade.

Disagree. their tank worked in terms of getting high picks.

Now what they did with those picks or how they built around them is a different topic. Their management is just incompetent in that dept.
- hello it's me 2050

It's not really a different topic. If you tank, then you pick high. But picking high is no guarantee of becoming better. Witness NoPa as the #2 pick. He was a bust for a pick that high. And he's not the only one. I wish him the best. I do. But he just has proven to be unworthy of even a first round pick let alone the #2 overall. And there are many players like him. There are no guarantees. Tanking is NOT a sensible plan for rebuilding.

Someone else above mentioned Edmonton. Damn! They have the best player in the world and maybe the 3rd best in Leon. And they have won NOTHING with them. All those years of them picking in the top 5 have yielded exactly the same thing that the Flyers have gotten. Sheet, if McDavid was on the Flyers, half the people on this board would be screaming to trade him in an effort to rebuild.

See Buffalo.
Their management has been HORRIBLE.
They've refused to address any blueline/crease issues that have been apparent for a decade.
- fishbulb

like Ian Mackaye said, its like screaming at a wall. Some don't and never will get it.

See Buffalo.
Their management has been HORRIBLE.
They've refused to address any blueline/crease issues that have been apparent for a decade.
- fishbulb

Players also bust which has nothing to do with management. Patrick was consensus #1 pick for years. Ended up consensus #2 come draft time. If Flyers didn’t draft Patrick on draft day we would have been ripped apart by many on this board. Further proves tanking and even high draft picks don’t always work.

They only did 1/2 the plan. Tanking only guarantees you the top 10 picks.
You've still gotta pick the right kids and also keep/rent enough quality vets to guide them. They don't seem to hit on many of their top picks and also brought in questionable vets to fill in the blanks. Hall, Skinner, Kane, etc. weren't great choices.

Call it tanking or whatever you want but if you look at the past 10-15 cup winners (minus Carolina) they all have Generational or Superstar caliber players. Those players are top-5 picks for the most part and to get them you pretty much have to tank.
- fishbulb

I don't see how you've documented that they did half the plan. I think if you dive deep you'll find that those past cup winners didn't tank. Tanking is purposely icing a bad team in order to get higher draft picks.
If we want to talk about those cup team what we'll find is that having top 5 picks is a part of the puzzle but not the only part. We have to look at all the teams that have had top 5 picks and didn't build a Cup team. If you don't then you're making an incomplete analysis as much as you think Buffalo only did half the plan.

Sounds like you need the booster booster booster booster with 30% more boost.
- dubc55

YES!!!

Any idea where to get this?

See Buffalo.
Their management has been HORRIBLE.
They've refused to address any blueline/crease issues that have been apparent for a decade.
- fishbulb

Dude, they drafted Risto and gave him away to the Flyers!!!

YES!!!

Any idea where to get this?
- corduroy

You can find it at your local Pfizer or Moderna convenience store.