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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 16 @ 2:36 PM ET
I think he is going to be a good player, but there is a reason so many teams passed on him at the draft. Some in here had him pegged as the next Theo Fleury because the entire Montreal team caught lighting in a bottle last playoff year.

The last thing the Flyers needed was another undersized forward who disappears for long stretches at a time.

- MBFlyerfan

ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 16 @ 2:36 PM ET
15 years from now we will see how York and Caulfield careers compare.
- PLindbergh31

2 more years
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 16 @ 2:39 PM ET
15 years from now we will see how York and Caulfield careers compare.
- PLindbergh31




I bet Caulfield has more goals and assists.
BluehorseShoe64
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2018

Dec 16 @ 2:44 PM ET
The guy with 1 goal and was sent to the AHL this year??
- ClaudeFather

Yes, absolutely. The same team that fired both the GM and assistant GM ? The same decision makers who had Caufield on the sidelines until the 2nd series? And he only got on the ice because Marc Staal got injured. Caufield had 12 pts, in essentially 2 series, because Tampa, being the champs, have the best team defense in the league - as expected shut the entire Mtl team down.
This year it's a team that lost Carey Price, who carried them through the first 3 series, and Shea Weber, a #1 defenseman plus Phillip Daneault who was the their defensive backbone down the middle, plus lost Kotkaniemi and Corey Perry.
Evidence this team is too thin ? Suzuki is also not putting up numbers either, and that kid has talent.
Once again, I go back to what a team is. In hockey, it's 22 guys. A few players can't do it all - play D and goaltend too. This is simply a situation where too many good players left at once.

Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

Dec 16 @ 2:55 PM ET
Pokes head in. This thread safe?
- FlyersGrace


Mademoiselle, this thread and all threads are safe for you!


ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 16 @ 2:57 PM ET
Yes, absolutely. The same team that fired both the GM and assistant GM ? The same decision makers who had Caufield on the sidelines until the 2nd series? And he only got on the ice because Marc Staal got injured. Caufield had 12 pts, in essentially 2 series, because Tampa, being the champs, have the best team defense in the league - as expected shut the entire Mtl team down.
This year it's a team that lost Carey Price, who carried them through the first 3 series, and Shea Weber, a #1 defenseman plus Phillip Daneault who was the their defensive backbone down the middle, plus lost Kotkaniemi and Corey Perry.
Evidence this team is too thin ? Suzuki is also not putting up numbers either, and that kid has talent.
Once again, I go back to what a team is. In hockey, it's 22 guys. A few players can't do it all - play D and goaltend too. This is simply a situation where too many good players left at once.

- BluehorseShoe64

So every player on the team gets an excuse for poor play, got it.
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Dec 16 @ 3:02 PM ET
So every player on the team gets an excuse for poor play, got it.
- ClaudeFather


Sounds oddly familiar
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Dec 16 @ 3:02 PM ET
What’s Bobby Brink up to these days?
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Dec 16 @ 3:05 PM ET
I bet Caulfield has more goals and assists.
- MBFlyerfan


he won't if they move york to wing...like they should have with ghost!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 16 @ 3:07 PM ET
What’s Bobby Brink up to these days?
- bird_dog_pa



21 points in 16 games for U of Denver
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Dec 16 @ 3:09 PM ET
21 points in 16 games for U of Denver
- MBFlyerfan


....not possible, he's just a glorified grinder who cant skate.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Dec 16 @ 3:14 PM ET
I havent heard RR sucks or they shouldnt have fired hextall yet....whats going on ?
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Dec 16 @ 3:15 PM ET
it would be amazing to get another generational talent in philly
- 2Real


He is not a mcdavid, i dont even think he is a Matthews, but he is good.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 16 @ 3:16 PM ET
I havent heard RR sucks or they shouldnt have fired hextall yet....whats going on ?
- bradster



Whooaaa we're halfway dead...

Whoa Oh livin in your head!
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Dec 16 @ 3:21 PM ET
I havent heard RR sucks or they shouldnt have fired hextall yet....whats going on ?
- bradster

juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Dec 16 @ 3:27 PM ET
He is not a mcdavid, i dont even think he is a Matthews, but he is good.
- bradster


...I always get the sense his floor is basically Tavares
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Dec 16 @ 3:30 PM ET
I havent heard RR sucks or they shouldnt have fired hextall yet....whats going on ?
- bradster


people got banned. we can discuss hockey now.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 16 @ 3:35 PM ET
Stolarz on quite a run lately...
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 16 @ 3:37 PM ET
15 years from now we will see how York and Caulfield careers compare.
- PLindbergh31


They'll compare like apples and oranges, as they have from Day 1.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Dec 16 @ 3:52 PM ET
Hoping g gets two point tonight. Be nice if he can move to second all time in flyers scoring and complete this against the habs.

It’ll be easy for him to do the French interviews.
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Dec 16 @ 3:53 PM ET
They'll compare like apples and oranges, as they have from Day 1.
- bmeltzer


Lol. Is this a ginger joke?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 16 @ 3:55 PM ET
1 goal 6 assists -11 in 22 games.

That Cole Caulfield.

- MBFlyerfan


The guy I drafted in fantasy, the show in for ROY? That guy?
Nh_kong
Joined: 09.21.2020

Dec 16 @ 3:56 PM ET
4 in a row?

Nah.....

Tonight they will revert to the garbage we saw in the previous games. Undisciplined, disorganized, un-spirited hockey team that can't complete two passes in a row, nevermind score a goal.

Flyers gonna tank this one.
BluehorseShoe64
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2018

Dec 16 @ 4:08 PM ET
So every player on the team gets an excuse for poor play, got it.
- ClaudeFather


Doesn't sound like you've played or coached. Do you have anything besides negativity? I've had rosters with D2/D3 kids giving 110% effort, that came close but couldn't overcome Division 1 talent. Does that mean they played poorly? It's not all black & white. When we got 1 or 2 D1 kids added to our roster, they started to win by the slimmest margin. There's a talent break even point. It's why GMs make trades, they're looking for "1 or 2 pieces" to put them over the top.

There's been hundreds of top 10 players drafted from college to NFL who don't make it at the pro level. They end up stagnating on teams like the NY Jets or the former Cleveland Browns, or the current Jags while teams who draft in higher rounds succeed. It takes scouting, coaching, having a decent team to build around and lots of work. Dumpster teams are lacking in one or more of those areas and lack of success is not the fault of a few players.

ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 16 @ 4:23 PM ET
Doesn't sound like you've played or coached. Do you have anything besides negativity? I've had rosters with D2/D3 kids giving 110% effort, that came close but couldn't overcome Division 1 talent. Does that mean they played poorly? It's not all black & white. When we got 1 or 2 D1 kids added to our roster, they started to win by the slimmest margin. There's a talent break even point. It's why GMs make trades, they're looking for "1 or 2 pieces" to put them over the top.

There's been hundreds of top 10 players drafted from college to NFL who don't make it at the pro level. They end up stagnating on teams like the NY Jets or the former Cleveland Browns, or the current Jags while teams who draft in higher rounds succeed. It takes scouting, coaching, having a decent team to build around and lots of work. Dumpster teams are lacking in one or more of those areas and lack of success is not the fault of a few players.

- BluehorseShoe64

Dude, you just tried to pretend that teams were game planning for Cole Caufield. Listen he, and the entire team, I’ll emphasize again, entire TEAM, as you like to point out had a great playoff run. Next season comes around and the kid couldn’t even hack it. I’m not doubting the kid could be a good player but the people drooling over him really need to stop.
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