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Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Dec 16 @ 4:27 PM ET
I'm feeling a bit uneasy about this game tonight. 3 wins in a row hasn't exactly erased the realization that this team just may be a dumpster fire for real.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 16 @ 4:31 PM ET
I'm feeling a bit uneasy about this game tonight. 3 wins in a row hasn't exactly erased the realization that this team just may be a dumpster fire for real.
- Letterkenney

don't worry we can compete with the bad teams
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 16 @ 4:36 PM ET
They'll compare like apples and oranges, as they have from Day 1.
- bmeltzer


Well being the Flyers drafted York with Caulfield on the board, and being first round picks are best player available not draft area of need I'll go ahead and disagree.

Edit: So the Rangers drafting Sanguinetti one spot ahead of Giroux in 2006 is apples and oranges by your definition right?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 16 @ 4:39 PM ET
I fully expect to win tonight and Saturday but if they don’t show up against Washington and Pittsburgh, we’ll be right back to where we were in November.
- SuperSchennBros
I wouldn't bank on a win Saturday at all. Ottawa is a sneaky good team that is healthy again. They just whooped up on Florida 8-2 the other night and they beat the Avs last week.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 16 @ 4:46 PM ET
I wouldn't bank on a win Saturday at all. Ottawa is a sneaky good team that is healthy again. They just whooped up on Florida 8-2 the other night and they beat the Avs last week.
- Phillywhiteout

I think they beat Tampa last Saturday too. So you might be right. The point is, the Flyers have a lot more to prove if we are to believe they’ve turned a corner.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 16 @ 4:47 PM ET
Well being the Flyers drafted York with Caulfield on the board, and being first round picks are best player available not draft area of need I'll go ahead and disagree.

Edit: So the Rangers drafting Sanguinetti one spot ahead of Giroux in 2006 is apples and oranges by your definition right?

- PLindbergh31

I think he’s assuming that York becomes a serviceable NHL Dman. If York becomes a 3-4 guy that plays power play and Caufield is a mid 20s goal scorer, who’s really better?
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 16 @ 4:57 PM ET
I'm feeling a bit uneasy about this game tonight. 3 wins in a row hasn't exactly erased the realization that this team just may be a dumpster fire for real.
- Letterkenney


It does have that feeling. I hope they don’t drop a stinker tonight, but it feels like the Flyers-kind of thing to do.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 16 @ 4:57 PM ET
I think they beat Tampa last Saturday too. So you might be right. The point is, the Flyers have a lot more to prove if we are to believe they’ve turned a corner.
- SuperSchennBros
Yes they do have a lot more to prove. Really need to go 3 for 4 in the games leading up to Christmas which for this team will be quite the task.
Keyser soze
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.28.2020

Dec 16 @ 5:26 PM ET
Tonight’s game will be played with no fans. Good thing we are all double vaxed.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Dec 16 @ 5:39 PM ET

I am still planning on screaming from home. Fans just not in the building…but still watching. Need the 2 points.

Let’s go Flyers!
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 16 @ 5:40 PM ET
Well being the Flyers drafted York with Caulfield on the board, and being first round picks are best player available not draft area of need I'll go ahead and disagree.

Edit: So the Rangers drafting Sanguinetti one spot ahead of Giroux in 2006 is apples and oranges by your definition right?

- PLindbergh31


No. Because Giroux became an impact NHLer and Sanguinetti barely played in the NHL. But if Sanguinetti had a meaningful NHL career, it becomes apples to oranges because one was a forward, the other a defenseman.

BTW, if Giroux had been off the board, the next on the Flyers list was Patrik Berglund, not Sanguinetti.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 16 @ 5:41 PM ET
Well being the Flyers drafted York with Caulfield on the board, and being first round picks are best player available not draft area of need I'll go ahead and disagree.

Edit: So the Rangers drafting Sanguinetti one spot ahead of Giroux in 2006 is apples and oranges by your definition right?

- PLindbergh31



How are you going to compare a Dman to a Forward when success criteria are different?
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

Dec 16 @ 5:48 PM ET
I havent heard RR sucks or they shouldnt have fired hextall yet....whats going on ?
- bradster


Hello……
McFly……
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 16 @ 5:55 PM ET
Tonight’s game will be played with no fans. Good thing we are all double vaxed.
- Keyser soze

it's getting beyond stupid
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 16 @ 6:01 PM ET
How are you going to compare a Dman to a Forward when success criteria are different?
- opeth_pa


Simple. Regardless of position in most cases you know who the better player is
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
No. Because Giroux became an impact NHLer and Sanguinetti barely played in the NHL. But if Sanguinetti had a meaningful NHL career, it becomes apples to oranges because one was a forward, the other a defenseman.

BTW, if Giroux had been off the board, the next on the Flyers list was Patrik Berglund, not Sanguinetti.

- bmeltzer


Ok, whose to say Caulfield isn’t a perennial 25-30 goal scorer and York is a 6th defenseman?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 16 @ 6:05 PM ET
Ok, whose to say Caulfield isn’t a perennial 25-30 goal scorer and York is a 6th defenseman?
- PLindbergh31


And who is to say that York doesn't become a 20-min a night, 45-50 point D man over time? Both players are still very early in their respective careers. Both are having growing pains. York plays the position that generally takes a little longer to develop. It's still apples-to-oranges at present.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 16 @ 6:12 PM ET
And who is to say that York doesn't become a 20-min a night, 45-50 point D man over time? Both players are still very early in their respective careers. Both are having growing pains. York plays the position that generally takes a little longer to develop. It's still apples-to-oranges at present.
- bmeltzer


Exactly. Which is why is said we will see down the road who the better player is.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Dec 16 @ 6:20 PM ET
Lol. Is this a ginger joke?
- Peter Richards


Funny
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Dec 16 @ 6:22 PM ET
Pokes head in. This thread safe?
- FlyersGrace


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- ggunky


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Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 16 @ 6:52 PM ET
Tonight’s game will be played with no fans. Good thing we are all double vaxed.
- Keyser soze


I’m triple vaxed! 👍
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 16 @ 7:05 PM ET
I’m triple vaxed! 👍
- Dkos



lol same here
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Dec 16 @ 7:09 PM ET
I’m triple vaxed! 👍
- Dkos

lol same here

- MBFlyerfan

Me too two thrice!
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Dec 16 @ 7:11 PM ET
And who is to say that York doesn't become a 20-min a night, 45-50 point D man over time? Both players are still very early in their respective careers. Both are having growing pains. York plays the position that generally takes a little longer to develop. It's still apples-to-oranges at present.
- bmeltzer


If Bobby Brink becomes an NHL player with some scoring touch then that adds to the mix.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Dec 16 @ 7:14 PM ET
Tonight’s game will be played with no fans. Good thing we are all double vaxed.
- Keyser soze


The coaches are wearing masks behind the bench.

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