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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 1 @ 6:55 PM ET
At least they are watchable now. That's all I care about anymore.
- KGBflyers10

Are they through ? They get caved in majority of games .
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Jan 1 @ 7:05 PM ET
is it culture or coaching when a guy like Ryan Hartman goes to Minn and has 26 points?
Playing on the Fing top line....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 1 @ 7:07 PM ET
If Hayes was a 2C the Rags would have kept him, though at lower $$. Hayes is a low 40 point a year guy who scored more then 17 goals twice in his 8 yrs in the NHL and never hit 50 points..If he is any teams 2C then that team is weak down the middle....I certainly believe Couts is hurt. I agree i dont see him falling off the face of the earth just like that after signing his lifetime contract( at least I hope so) Doesnt seem like the type of guy to sign an 8 yr contract then disappear though it has happened to others
- hfc355


That the Rangers decided to move on from Hayes, has no bearing on what level of player he is. Hayes at his best is a 2nd line level center in the NHL. I don't disagree that his point totals are at the low end.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 1 @ 7:12 PM ET
Ryan Hartman on pace for a 70+ point season. Another stellar Flyers trade.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jan 1 @ 7:15 PM ET
Ryan Hartman on pace for a 70+ point season. Another stellar Flyers trade.
- PLindbergh31


Pretty incredible he waited three years after being traded by the Flyers to break out.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 1 @ 7:18 PM ET
is it culture or coaching when a guy like Ryan Hartman goes to Minn and has 26 points?
Playing on the Fing top line....

- konalover711
He's having a good year. He has played on other teams since he left Philly. He's a journeyman that is having an exceptional year. You're reaching a bit with the culture thing.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 1 @ 7:20 PM ET
So we can officially say that Coots is injury prone. Can't wait until he STARTS that 8 year contract next year!! Whopppppeeeee!!! He obviously had been playing hurt for awhile and yet the one game he led all forwards in ice time by 5 minutes(25 minutes that game....sorry, brain is foggy from the Holidays). Really wonder about this organization and their handling of injured players. Happy New Year!!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 1 @ 7:22 PM ET
Pretty incredible he waited three years after being traded by the Flyers to break out.
- KGBflyers10


Players always break out and win once they leave. Seems like it never happens the other way around.
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 1 @ 7:35 PM ET
Players always break out and win once they leave. Seems like it never happens the other way around.
- PLindbergh31

Ville Leino
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jan 1 @ 7:35 PM ET
Players always break out and win once they leave. Seems like it never happens the other way around.
- PLindbergh31


I think that bit has been exaggerated to the nth degree. The only two I would really count would be Sharp and Williams, but that's about it.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jan 1 @ 7:37 PM ET
That the Rangers decided to move on from Hayes, has no bearing on what level of player he is. Hayes at his best is a 2nd line level center in the NHL. I don't disagree that his point totals are at the low end.
- MJL

Problem is he is at his best so infrequent that his best is not the norm. It's like saying Laughton at his best is a 2C. Yeah every once in awhile he plays like a 2C but those games are the exception not the norm. PS Rags were desperate for a 2C and knew Hayes was not the answer
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jan 1 @ 7:39 PM ET
Ville Leino
- rayc16


John Leclair. Haha. They are few & far between

Wayne Simmonds
Laceemup88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.26.2018

Jan 1 @ 7:41 PM ET
I’m saying this with the assumption that CF is going to be here next season because, IMO I don’t think they will remove him. I would hope that CF uses the 2nd half of the season to better the club for next year. I don’t wanna see a hard push to only fall 6 to 8 pts short of a playoff spot. What would that prove anyway? Do an extensive search for a coach and interview anyone that would be available at this time, get those candidates out of the way. I know he said he would like to evaluate a complete healthy team, well that’s not going to happen. If he’s worth anything, I’m pretty sure he has an idea who he wants to go forward with. In other words, start the rebuild now. Don’t wait until the trade deadline or seasons end, move out those he has no future plans for and get the best deals he could. Knowing of the cap implications, should be a tough go, might as well get a head start on the other clubs. Plenty of decisions to be made, let’s hope he makes good sound ones. Have a plan, please no more band-aides.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Jan 1 @ 7:54 PM ET
He's having a good year. He has played on other teams since he left Philly. He's a journeyman that is having an exceptional year. You're reaching a bit with the culture thing.
- Phillywhiteout


Ok how about coaching then?
This culture of cast offs excelling...It goes as far back a pat moroon.
There are many others...too buzzed to care
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 1 @ 7:56 PM ET
John Leclair. Haha. They are few & far between

Wayne Simmonds

- Big_E_88

konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Jan 1 @ 8:00 PM ET
Ville Leino
- rayc16


Good one...
Too bad he fizzled like a bad fart...
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Jan 1 @ 8:06 PM ET
John Leclair. Haha. They are few & far between

Wayne Simmonds

- Big_E_88


We did pay for a bit for both E.D and J, L...

Im thinking more scrap pile signings FA's etc


Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 1 @ 8:07 PM ET
Ok how about coaching then?
This culture of cast offs excelling...It goes as far back a pat moroon.
There are many others...too buzzed to care

- konalover711
Sometimes guys find themselves in better situations elsewhere and excel. Whether it's better players or whatever. Not arguing that there probably have been more than I care to remember. Justin Williams and Patrick Sharp come to mind. Eh what??
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Jan 1 @ 8:25 PM ET
Sometimes guys find themselves in better situations elsewhere and excel. Whether it's better players or whatever. Not arguing that there probably have been more than I care to remember. Justin Williams and Patrick Sharp come to mind. Eh what??
- Phillywhiteout

Wow those two just made me throw up in my mouth a bit....
Nice call!!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 1 @ 8:30 PM ET
Problem is he is at his best so infrequent that his best is not the norm. It's like saying Laughton at his best is a 2C. Yeah every once in awhile he plays like a 2C but those games are the exception not the norm. PS Rags were desperate for a 2C and knew Hayes was not the answer
- hfc355


I don't disagree. I don't think there is any doubt that as Hayes ages, he's going to become an overpaid role player.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 1 @ 8:33 PM ET
I’m saying this with the assumption that CF is going to be here next season because, IMO I don’t think they will remove him. I would hope that CF uses the 2nd half of the season to better the club for next year. I don’t wanna see a hard push to only fall 6 to 8 pts short of a playoff spot. What would that prove anyway? Do an extensive search for a coach and interview anyone that would be available at this time, get those candidates out of the way. I know he said he would like to evaluate a complete healthy team, well that’s not going to happen. If he’s worth anything, I’m pretty sure he has an idea who he wants to go forward with. In other words, start the rebuild now. Don’t wait until the trade deadline or seasons end, move out those he has no future plans for and get the best deals he could. Knowing of the cap implications, should be a tough go, might as well get a head start on the other clubs. Plenty of decisions to be made, let’s hope he makes good sound ones. Have a plan, please no more band-aides.
- Laceemup88


If the Flyers are going to trade veteran players at the deadline, it won't be to make the team better for next year. In terms of not waiting for the deadline. Look at the league wide cap situation. The closer you get to the deadline, the more the trade market will expand. The more teams you can get involved, the more return.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 1 @ 8:39 PM ET
Phantoms win again in OT
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 1 @ 8:43 PM ET
Wow those two just made me throw up in my mouth a bit....
Nice call!!

- konalover711


It probably doesn't hurt each ended up on the wing of 2 young HOF centers right as they started to peak... (Staal, Toews)...
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jan 1 @ 8:53 PM ET
Are they through ? They get caved in majority of games .
- ClaudeFather



Points in 6 games right?
Ill take that 100% of the time over 0 points in 6 games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 1 @ 8:55 PM ET
Points in 6 games right?
Ill take that 100% of the time over 0 points in 6 games.

- opeth_pa


Who wouldn't but the point is that if you're getting consistently out played, outshot and out chanced. Your chances for long term success are not good.
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