if the most on the table is a late first and B prospect, would anyone here simply not make that deal? (i understand the jumps of cap hit/waiving/etc, but for a moment say that is squared away)

you asked for an example. I provided you one.
- hello it's me 2050

You did. But I am going to quibble.

Nino plays RW. Giroux plays LW.

Canes rarely if ever part with prospects for rentals. They did not do it the last 2 years. Their 1st will be a low 1st this year.

They could instead trade Trocheck (also an UFA) + prospect for Hertl/Pavelski.

if the most on the table is a late first and B prospect, would anyone here simply not make that deal? (i understand the jumps of cap hit/waiving/etc, but for a moment say that is squared away)
- stayinthefnnet

You make the deal Sonny

If you trade Giroux, you don’t take the best offer available. You take the deal that makes the most Sense for the Flyers. Meaning, I look back at the Carter for Voracek and Couturier deal and the Richards for Simmonds and Schenn deal. We lost a great two way center in Mike Richards and received a great two way center in Sean Couturier right out of the draft. If I’m trading Claude Giroux, I’m looking to get a young center, with the highest possible ceiling. I’m looking for our next franchise face, plus a couple other pieces.

If you trade Giroux, you don’t take the best offer available. You take the deal that makes the most Sense for the Flyers. Meaning, I look back at the Carter for Voracek and Couturier deal and the Richards for Simmonds and Schenn deal. We lost a great two way center in Mike Richards and received a great two way center in Sean Couturier right out of the draft. If I’m trading Claude Giroux, I’m looking to get a young center, with the highest possible ceiling. I’m looking for our next franchise face, plus a couple other pieces.
- SuperSchennBros

so you Think a CC trade gets you back a potential franchise center? Plus other pieces.

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- bmeltzer

Zedna Chara at 45 fought and beat our most physical player. And not one of our name players will ever instigate a fight, even the so called more physical ones. That says a lot to me re attitude of team.

If you trade Giroux, you don’t take the best offer available. You take the deal that makes the most Sense for the Flyers. Meaning, I look back at the Carter for Voracek and Couturier deal and the Richards for Simmonds and Schenn deal. We lost a great two way center in Mike Richards and received a great two way center in Sean Couturier right out of the draft. If I’m trading Claude Giroux, I’m looking to get a young center, with the highest possible ceiling. I’m looking for our next franchise face, plus a couple other pieces.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't think Giroux gets you those things. Everyone in the NHL knows what type of spot Philadelphia is in. Taking G and having G agree to go there is already a monstrous mountain to climb - if they can get blue chip prospect or a 1st round pick included I'll be surprised.

If you trade Giroux, you don’t take the best offer available. You take the deal that makes the most Sense for the Flyers. Meaning, I look back at the Carter for Voracek and Couturier deal and the Richards for Simmonds and Schenn deal. We lost a great two way center in Mike Richards and received a great two way center in Sean Couturier right out of the draft. If I’m trading Claude Giroux, I’m looking to get a young center, with the highest possible ceiling. I’m looking for our next franchise face, plus a couple other pieces.
- SuperSchennBros

First of all what does the best offer available mean? It’s always for the team trading, this makes no sense. Second of all, you’re talking about guys who were in there prime and potentially both had term left. The return is totally different .

I don't think Giroux gets you those things. Everyone in the NHL knows what type of spot Philadelphia is in. Taking G and having G agree to go there is already a monstrous mountain to climb - if they can get blue chip prospect or a 1st round pick included I'll be surprised.
- Pixote Andolini

That's why I don't think it happens. No one is offering a potential 1C. And if they were willing to, there are other fish on the table they could choose to get.

And a franchise that has made loyalty its calling card is not going to dispose of their captain and former star for a box of Kleenex.

That's why I don't think it happens. No one is offering a potential 1C. And if they were willing to, there are other fish on the table they could choose to get.

And a franchise that has made loyalty its calling card is not going to dispose of their captain and former star for a box of Kleenex.
- PT21

Tyson Jost and a first from Colorado would be more of the return here

If you trade Giroux, you don’t take the best offer available. You take the deal that makes the most Sense for the Flyers. Meaning, I look back at the Carter for Voracek and Couturier deal and the Richards for Simmonds and Schenn deal. We lost a great two way center in Mike Richards and received a great two way center in Sean Couturier right out of the draft. If I’m trading Claude Giroux, I’m looking to get a young center, with the highest possible ceiling. I’m looking for our next franchise face, plus a couple other pieces.
- SuperSchennBros

I agree with this. You don’t take any offer. You set your price regardless of the # teams involved. If there’s more then one team involved that meets the price you may privately go to the player and ask his preference…he’s earned that.

Last night Weeks was mentioning Boston. Besides the continuous vomiting state that would put me in, Boston neither has the cap space nor the assets that the Flyers should hold out for if they are trading G. Boston would certainly need G but they have no prospects and can only offer a late 1st round pick which is not enough. Carolina would be an interesting trade partner, as would Minnesota and Vegas.
- jd250

I'd take Studnicka

I agree with this. You don’t take any offer. You set your price regardless of the # teams involved. If there’s more then one team involved that meets the price you may privately go to the player and ask his preference…he’s earned that.
- landros 2

You are acting like you are trading Giroux two years ago with a couple years left on his deal.

I don't think Giroux gets you those things. Everyone in the NHL knows what type of spot Philadelphia is in. Taking G and having G agree to go there is already a monstrous mountain to climb - if they can get blue chip prospect or a 1st round pick included I'll be surprised.
- Pixote Andolini

I think he gets you a 1rst. Perhaps a B type prospect or a guy like Frost or Brink….a prospect that has had difficulties living up to his potential, added on to the 1rst…but that’s about it.

You are acting like you are trading Giroux two years ago with a couple years left on his deal.
- ClaudeFather

I’m just going off what other deals have happened around the TDL. for guys like Giroux at the end of a deal.

I don't think Giroux gets you those things. Everyone in the NHL knows what type of spot Philadelphia is in. Taking G and having G agree to go there is already a monstrous mountain to climb - if they can get blue chip prospect or a 1st round pick included I'll be surprised.
- Pixote Andolini

Agreed

Trading Giroux will get a pick and a prospect. But even if it is a first it will be a low first round pick because it will be a contending team. Most likely in the 25-32 range. Giroux IMO wont waive to go to a non contending team.

Those teams will have to include either a rostered player with some upside or a higher end prospect from their organization. Probably both.

The cap hits will have to fit or it will be a non starter.

I've heard Boston and Minnesota as being the two destinations that could work for all criteria involved. Some have also mentioned the Rangers.

Either way, between Giroux having all the power in where he goes, and having to fit all the other cap implications, the return will not be what we hoped, but it will still be better than nothing.

At worst they will have 8.275 in cap space to spend somewhere else in the offseason if they get nothing.

All in all we need to temper our expectations. Especially with Chuck "Get Fleeced" Fletcher as our GM.

I'm not disagreeing with you, because I really don't know the rule completely, but the statement I copied above is pretty clear, in that if you are trading for a player, you get their full cap hit plus you pay what is remaining on their salary, unless the trading team retains some of it. What am I missing here?
- jd250

Everything. You are not understanding what is being said there. Under the cap, cap hits are all that matters. Regardless of what the players salary is. Cap hits for the remainder of this season will be prorated. You also have to have the tagging space available to take on the full season cap hit for future years if the player is not on an expiring contract. Since we're talking about players being traded on expiring contracts at the deadline, tagging space is not an issue in that context.

Zedna Chara at 45 fought and beat our most physical player. And not one of our name players will ever instigate a fight, even the so called more physical ones. That says a lot to me re attitude of team.
- biggbear77

Fighting? Really? This what you're using as the barometer for the team? How about bad starts? Lack of scoring? Poor defense? Inability to hold a lead? Going 0-16 on the shootout?

Boston
Pens
Carolina
Rangers

Are 4 teams off the top of my head that can make a deal work for CC

Maybe Florida

Complete fluke.

Montreal did all the heavy lifting for them.

We all know about the issues with goaltending.

I looked it up once and I believe I found that the guys on the 3rd D pairing played fewer than ten NHL games the rest of their careers.

Big fluke.
- MrBuzzcut

I'd tend to agree. As you mention the goaltending and 3rd d pairing were laughably bad.

Niemi played about as bad a series as possible against the Flyers. Unfortunately the Boucher/Leighton tandem was worse.

Everything. You are not understanding what is being said there. Under the cap, cap hits are all that matters. Regardless of what the players salary is. Cap hits for the remainder of this season will be prorated. You also have to have the tagging space available to take on the full season cap hit for future years if the player is not on an expiring contract. Since we're talking about players being traded on expiring contracts at the deadline, tagging space is not an issue in that context.
- MJL

What will Giroux's prorated cap hit be at the deadline?

A first and a prospect from a team G is willing to go to works for me. Hopefully the prospect is top level. Even if it is not I think gaining the additional assets is the goal.

Giroux holds the cards but the teams he would likely waive for have assets the Flyers can use.

Avs make a lot of sense to me.

G for a first and Newhook or Jost?

So this tells me that a team trading for G would have to have a minimum of $4.14M in cap space in order to fit him in, given the Flyers at most can retain 50%. This would restrict the number of teams that could trade for him unless they send salary back.
- jd250

Do yourself a favor and go to capfriendly and actually look at it. You have to be looking at the same thing. There is a difference between the amount of cap space a team has to have to take on a player and the full season cap hit space a team will have at the deadline. For example, let's look a the Bruins.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/bruins

The Bruins currently have $796,709 in cap space. Their projected deadline cap space is listed as $2,011,690 which is explained if you put your cursor over the ? next to that number. It is the value of the full season cap hit they can take on at the deadline. The closer they get to the deadline, the higher that number will be.

First of all what does the best offer available mean? It’s always for the team trading, this makes no sense. Second of all, you’re talking about guys who were in there prime and potentially both had term left. The return is totally different .
- ClaudeFather

If you're not going to re-sign Giroux then you take the best deal you're offered.

If you're not going to re-sign Giroux then you take the best deal you're offered.
- MJL

Exactly, and the best offer is the deal that makes the most sense for the Flyers. You’re not reading with anyone else’s plans in mind.