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Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Feb 18 @ 5:28 PM ET
I did in 1982. Short period spent there courtesy of friends who emigrated here in the nineties and Indiana University. I was in between my junior and senior year in college. Sadly I hardly use my Russian except to communicate with a high school student friend of my wife who teaches in DC. In fact was just congratulating him on having a book published on Russian lit.
- Sinisalo4vr

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 18 @ 5:29 PM ET
Flyers have had no cap space the entire season and it directly played into the construction of this poop roster. They literally have 4k in cap space at the moment.

The difference between someone like Bunnaman and NAK salary wise is huge. So yes, the cap has everything to do with it.

- mochoson


NAK was a cap casualty. Well that is a new one.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 18 @ 5:31 PM ET

Let me get this straight. Bunnaman wins the multiple round shootout contest at practice today and his reward is to be waived. No wonder no Flyers have scored a shootout goal this season.

https://twitter.com/jhall.../1494750796499587083?s=21
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 5:34 PM ET
Oh, I’m with you. But my disgust for him as a person doesn’t eradicate my interest in his story.

And I don’t believe that’s odd. I mean, let’s look at the History Channel. Before it was taken over by fake pawn shops, loud mouthed garbage pickers, and bearded bigots hailing ducks, it was largely about WWII, and specifically Hitler.

He might have been a devil incarnate, but that’s some gripping stuff all the same.

The French Revolution is another. Love me some stories of la Terreur

- Hesh_


There are some similarities:one came to power on the basis of the hyperinflation and the onerous requirements imposed by the treaty of Versailles. The other came to power on the basis of the disintegration of Soviet middle-class life after the wall fell and the clumsiness of Yeltsin.

But Putin can be judged by a higher standard. He knows what the situation is in the world today and is nowhere near as reckless or as irresponsible. He sees how much so many of the countries in the former Soviet sphere have done in terms of improvement of their lives but he keeps doing things like Crimea and Georgia and so on to engage in cheap policy and personal machismo.

I guess what I'm really saying is that I don't find too much of what he's done sufficiently intriguing to be worthy of a tell all memoir and so on. I would actually be more interested in his justifications of running the country the way he does. Much of what he would knows from his KGB days would probably be something that would just be variations of your basic spy thriller. Exciting in the small but uninteresting in the large


Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 18 @ 5:34 PM ET
I did in 1982. Short period spent there courtesy of friends who emigrated here in the nineties and Indiana University. I was in bewtween my junior and senior year in college. Sadly I hardly use my Russian except to communicate with a high school student friend of my wife who teaches in DC. In fact was just congratulating him on having a book published on Russian lit.
- Sinisalo4vr

What a fantastic opportunity.

I have a few Russian friends who taught chess at schools like I did in the DC area. We’d get together at three Boardroom on Connecticut, have a few drinks, and waste away a Monday night.

They’re absolute killers behind an army.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 18 @ 5:37 PM ET
There are some similarities:one came to power on the basis of the hyperinflation and the onerous requirements imposed by the treaty of Versailles. The other came to power on the basis of the disintegration of Soviet middle-class life after the wall fell and the clumsiness of Yeltsin.

But Putin can be judged by a higher standard. He knows what the situation is in the world today and is nowhere near as reckless or as irresponsible. He sees how much so many of the countries in the former Soviet sphere have done in terms of improvement of their lives but he keeps doing things like Crimea and Georgia and so on to engage in cheap policy and personal machismo.

I guess what I'm really saying is that I don't find too much of what he's done sufficiently intriguing to be worthy of a tell all memoir and so on. I would actually be more interested in his justifications of running the country the way he does. Much of what he would knows from his KGB days would probably be something that would just be variations of your basic spy thriller. Exciting in the small but uninteresting in the large

- PT21


That’s a good point comparing the two.

But mostly Id want to read about what Putin knows and has been privy to, not exactly what he accomplished. I bet the KGB stuff is even more interesting than any other part.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 18 @ 5:40 PM ET
NAK was a cap casualty. Well that is a new one.
- hello it's me 2050


The alternate reality that the rest of you seem to believe is that the Flyers thought so little of him that they'd happily lose him for nothing and instead willingly play guys like Willman and Bunnaman.

I think very little of the people running this team, but they ain't that dumb. So I repeat, that extra $275k in wiggle room you get by rostering a player making $750 over someone like NAK is huge.

This is especially true heading into the trade deadline, where the Flyers will obviously want as much cap space as possible to help conduct potential deals.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 5:43 PM ET
As previously stated, the Flyers have been tight against the cap all season. If everyone was healthy they'd still be right against the cap. I understand fully that LTIR has ultimately given them so wiggle room for now.

Idk about "easily creating more", either.

- mochoson


It's obvious that you don't know. The Flyers are carrying 15 forwards. They have 6 players on IR. Kevin Hayes could be placed on LTIR.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 5:44 PM ET
I did in 1982. Short period spent there courtesy of friends who emigrated here in the nineties and Indiana University. I was in bewtween my junior and senior year in college. Sadly I hardly use my Russian except to communicate with a high school student friend of my wife who teaches in DC. In fact was just congratulating him on having a book published on Russian lit.
- Sinisalo4vr


Fascinating country. Never been.

iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 18 @ 5:46 PM ET
There are some similarities:one came to power on the basis of the hyperinflation and the onerous requirements imposed by the treaty of Versailles. The other came to power on the basis of the disintegration of Soviet middle-class life after the wall fell and the clumsiness of Yeltsin.

But Putin can be judged by a higher standard. He knows what the situation is in the world today and is nowhere near as reckless or as irresponsible. He sees how much so many of the countries in the former Soviet sphere have done in terms of improvement of their lives but he keeps doing things like Crimea and Georgia and so on to engage in cheap policy and personal machismo.

I guess what I'm really saying is that I don't find too much of what he's done sufficiently intriguing to be worthy of a tell all memoir and so on. I would actually be more interested in his justifications of running the country the way he does. Much of what he would knows from his KGB days would probably be something that would just be variations of your basic spy thriller. Exciting in the small but uninteresting in the large

- PT21

You should read Mearsheimer's articles and Kenans' book on Russia. Very interesting and different take on Russia and Putin than the coordinated speak that corp media has to say about all of this. I do wonder whether the goal of the current "crisis" is to force Russia to disarm. All of the troops they are complaining about are on Russian soil.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 5:46 PM ET
The alternate reality that the rest of you seem to believe is that the Flyers thought so little of him that they'd happily lose him for nothing and instead willingly play guys like Willman and Bunnaman.

I think very little of the people running this team, but they ain't that dumb. So I repeat, that extra $275k in wiggle room you get by rostering a player making $750 over someone like NAK is huge.

This is especially true heading into the trade deadline, where the Flyers will obviously want as much cap space as possible to help conduct potential deals.

- mochoson


The Flyers made a choice and mistakenly believed that they could get Aube-Kubel through waivers. They chose to make that move and the 275K was not the issue.

The Flyers have plenty of space for the deadline. None of what you're stating is accurate.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 18 @ 5:48 PM ET
Fascinating country. Never been.
- PT21

We just went. Amazing place. Very friendly people. Incredible historical sights and monuments everywhere. Can't recommend it enough.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Feb 18 @ 5:50 PM ET
Rationalize how Aube-Kubel was waived while bums like Thompson, Brown, and the rest of the stiff dujours were kept. Is Brown, Thompson, Bunnaman, Macewan going to crack the Avalanche lineup and play every game?
- PLindbergh31


Make you think about how chuckles evaluates talent, doesn't it?
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 18 @ 5:52 PM ET
It's obvious that you don't know. The Flyers are carrying 15 forwards. They have 6 players on IR. Kevin Hayes could be placed on LTIR.
- MJL


Again, I understand how LTIR works. I'm talking about this teams relative cap situation if most (if not all) of the team was healthy, which isn't going to be any better next year with how many holes are on this team.

I'll state it very simply one more time: the Flyers absolutely waived NAK and lost him for nothing so as to maximize their ability to make trades, roster moves and, if necessary, maximize their use of LTIR down to the last dollar.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 18 @ 5:54 PM ET
The Flyers made a choice and mistakenly believed that they could get Aube-Kubel through waivers. They chose to make that move and the 275K was not the issue.

The Flyers have plenty of space for the deadline. None of what you're stating is accurate.

- MJL


Blah blah blah.

The Flyers held onto Bunnaman for an entire season and barely played him because they thought he'd get claimed, yet you think they genuinely thought NAK would sneak through.

Everything I'm saying is accurate. As of this writing, this team has cap problems and if none of you can see that your'e blind.


PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 5:55 PM ET
What a fantastic opportunity.

I have a few Russian friends who taught chess at schools like I did in the DC area. We’d get together at three Boardroom on Connecticut, have a few drinks, and waste away a Monday night.

They’re absolute killers behind an army.

- Hesh_


That sounds like an oxymoron. I know the times we live in and how one cannot engage in even the most harmless generalizations, but can a Russian have just a "few drinks?"

It is quite surreal for me to watch Putin sit behind that huge table away from his own ministers and even Macron, because he is afraid of Covid. So un-Russian manlike.

Ever seen how many planes crash in Russia? Its because the mentality is completely opposed to the modern temparement of reason ahead of emotion. It is emotion that is prized more.

Re: 2nd bold, behind an army, or in front of one. As Stalingrad proved. As a Russian general is supposed to have said recently (probably apocryphal): "We don't start wars. We finish them."


PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 5:58 PM ET
You should read Mearsheimer's articles and Kenans' book on Russia. Very interesting and different take on Russia and Putin than the coordinated speak that corp media has to say about all of this. I do wonder whether the goal of the current "crisis" is to force Russia to disarm. All of the troops they are complaining about are on Russian soil.
- iamscore2day


You have such a bee in your bonnet about "corporate media". As replaced by what? Your personal anecdotes? Amateur media?

I will confess I don't know who Mearsheimer is. I am aware of Kennan's views, especially the long telegram. I also know Russian history and literature reasonably well. 2 of the 3 best books I have read in my life are by Russians (The Master and Margarita and Lolita).


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:00 PM ET
Blah blah blah.

The Flyers held onto Bunnaman for an entire season and barely played him because they thought he'd get claimed, yet you think they genuinely thought NAK would sneak through.

Everything I'm saying is accurate. As of this writing, this team has cap problems and if none of you can see that your'e blind.

- mochoson



https://www.capfriendly.c...s/players/connor-bunnaman

This is the transaction record for Bunnaman. You are incorrect. The Flyers currently have over 3M of projected cap space for the trade deadline. That's a lot. Every statement you've made on the Flyers cap picture is inaccurate. Even Bill Meltzer reported that the Flyers thought he would get through.

Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Feb 18 @ 6:01 PM ET
Fascinating country. Never been.
- PT21

I haven't been back since but my best friend has had to travel there for business. He tells me it's changed a lot. Some good and some bad. The rich are still rich (although maybe more so now) and poor are still poor. The inner-city poverty is much more stark now because I think it was largely hidden before. In Moscow you could travel on public transport without too much worry, now it's a little more dicey.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 18 @ 6:03 PM ET


It is quite surreal for me to watch Putin sit behind that huge table away from his own ministers and even Macron, because he is afraid of Covid. So un-Russian manlike.

- PT21


Nah, just geo-politics. The President of Kazahkstan was just their last week and Putin took photos essentially side by side with him. Definitely not about CoVid.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 18 @ 6:06 PM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/transactions/players/connor-bunnaman

This is the transaction record for Bunnaman. You are incorrect. The Flyers currently have over 3M of projected cap space for the trade deadline. That's a lot. Every statement you've made on the Flyers cap picture is inaccurate. Even Bill Meltzer reported that the Flyers thought he would get through.

- MJL


Wasn't sure I had to be that specific but I obviously wasn't referring to this season with Bunnaman. I was referring to 20-21 where he played a grand total of 33 hockey games between the NHL/AHL and spent most of the season in the Flyers pressbox.

EDIT: To be fair, Bunnaman has been living in the pressbox his entire tenure here but I don't believe he was waiver eligible in 19-20.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 18 @ 6:09 PM ET
You have such a bee in your bonnet about "corporate media". As replaced by what? Your personal anecdotes? Amateur media?

I will confess I don't know who Mearsheimer is. I am aware of Kennan's views, especially the long telegram. I also know Russian history and literature reasonably well. 2 of the 3 best books I have read in my life are by Russians (The Master and Margarita and Lolita).

- PT21


Each book is a little weird, TBH. I like Nabokov's writing and the M&M is such an odd take on such a terrible time. It is even weirder that Stalin liked him despite his writing. Look up Mearsheimer's articles. It is an interesting perspective. Not something you read in any papers. As for corporate media, that is a longer discussion.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 18 @ 6:11 PM ET
I haven't been back since but my best friend has had to travel there for business. He tells me it's changed a lot. Some good and some bad. The rich are still rich (although maybe more so now) and poor are still poor. The inner-city poverty is much more stark now because I think it was largely hidden before. In Moscow you could travel on public transport without too much worry, now it's a little more dicey.
- Sinisalo4vr


We were in Moscow and St. Pete. Both were very nice and safe (where we were). We went everywhere on the subway in both places and had zero problems. Pretty sad compared to Philly and New York. As for the rich getting richer, have you seen the stats from the lockdowns ...
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 18 @ 6:14 PM ET
That sounds like an oxymoron. I know the times we live in and how one cannot engage in even the most harmless generalizations, but can a Russian have just a "few drinks?"

It is quite surreal for me to watch Putin sit behind that huge table away from his own ministers and even Macron, because he is afraid of Covid. So un-Russian manlike.

Ever seen how many planes crash in Russia? Its because the mentality is completely opposed to the modern temparement of reason ahead of emotion. It is emotion that is prized more.

Re: 2nd bold, behind an army, or in front of one. As Stalingrad proved. As a Russian general is supposed to have said recently (probably apocryphal): "We don't start wars. We finish them."

- PT21


Putin is way too intelligent to be scared by covid. Even our leaders are not scared by covid, which is why they take the masks off when the cameras go away. I actually think their plane problems come from insufficient safety practices. I could not agree more about their military capabilities.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:14 PM ET
Wasn't sure I had to be that specific but I obviously wasn't referring to this season with Bunnaman. I was referring to 20-21 where he played a grand total of 33 hockey games between the NHL/AHL and spent most of the season in the Flyers pressbox.

EDIT: To be fair, Bunnaman has been living in the pressbox his entire tenure here but I don't believe he was waiver eligible in 19-20.

- mochoson


So when discussing the Flyers current cap situation and Aube-Kubel being waived and claimed this season along with your claim that it was a cap issue. You were bringing up what happened with Bunnaman last season as part of your reasoning. Got it.
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