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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 7:16 PM ET
I haven't been back since but my best friend has had to travel there for business. He tells me it's changed a lot. Some good and some bad. The rich are still rich (although maybe more so now) and poor are still poor. The inner-city poverty is much more stark now because I think it was largely hidden before. In Moscow you could travel on public transport without too much worry, now it's a little more dicey.
- Sinisalo4vr


I have many 2nd hand connections with that country which I will save for another time. Since you mentioned public transport though, I wonder if the fames subway stations were as grand in 1982 as they are now.

I was a big fan of Andrei Tarkovsky in my college days.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 7:21 PM ET
Nah, just geo-politics. The President of Kazahkstan was just their last week and Putin took photos essentially side by side with him. Definitely not about CoVid.
- mochoson


Putin is way too intelligent to be scared by covid. Even our leaders are not scared by covid, which is why they take the masks off when the cameras go away. I actually think their plane problems come from insufficient safety practices. I could not agree more about their military capabilities.
- iamscore2day


Is that why he is keeping his own defence minister at such a distance?



Please remember that the reason Macron and Scholz sat the way they did is because they refused to provide blood samples in the fear their DNA would be targeted. The leader of Kazakshtan, prime stooge that he is, surely consented (his DNA is almost certainly in Russian hands anyway).




2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:23 PM ET
Is that why he is keeping his own defence minister at such a distance?



Please remember that the reason Macron and Scholz sat the way they did is because they refused to provide blood samples in the fear their DNA would be targeted. The leader of Kazakshtan, prime stooge that he is, surely consented (his DNA is almost certainly in Russian hands anyway).

- PT21

because in russia everyone will try to kill you
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 7:23 PM ET
Each book is a little weird, TBH. I like Nabokov's writing and the M&M is such an odd take on such a terrible time. It is even weirder that Stalin liked him despite his writing. Look up Mearsheimer's articles. It is an interesting perspective. Not something you read in any papers. As for corporate media, that is a longer discussion.
- iamscore2day


Will do.

Ok. You are the one who made the passing reference.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 18 @ 7:24 PM ET
Rutherford is quoted saying he is not looking to make $ for $ trades. He is probably going to need to make some "unpopular" moves.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 18 @ 7:30 PM ET
because in russia everyone will try to kill you
- 2Real

Just like in Philly and NYC.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 18 @ 7:47 PM ET
Rutherford is quoted saying he is not looking to make $ for $ trades. He is probably going to need to make some "unpopular" moves.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

buckle up for ole jimbo
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:49 PM ET


I'll state it very simply one more time: the Flyers absolutely waived NAK and lost him for nothing so as to maximize their ability to make trades, roster moves and, if necessary, maximize their use of LTIR down to the last dollar.

- mochoson


This is unequivocally 100% untrue. Aube-Kubel was waived and claimed by the Avs in November!


The Flyers chose to keep Zac McEwen and Patrick Brown instead.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:50 PM ET
Is that why he is keeping his own defence minister at such a distance?

- PT21


Can we please keep this nonsense off of Hockeybuzz. It is inappropriate.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 8:02 PM ET
Just like in Philly and NYC.
- iamscore2day


😭

I am sure Moscow is safer in terms of random crime. I am not sure that is an appropriate comparison though

Btw, Hesh and other geography nerds: this game was invented for you:

https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/

wbroudy
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:12 PM ET
Crosby missed like 8 games. Pitt had all their starting D and their goalie is playing phenomenal.

Starting Centers
1. Coots
2. Hayes
3. Brassard
4. Thompson
5. Brown

Current Centers
G
Laughton
Frost
Bunnaman

- WhiskeyMan


Numbers 3-5 are questionable nhl players who cant stay healthy
Numbers 1-2 are really second line and third line centers respectively who can’t stay healthy
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Feb 18 @ 8:18 PM ET
Numbers 3-5 are questionable nhl players who cant stay healthy
Numbers 1-2 are really second line and third line centers respectively who can’t stay healthy

- wbroudy


Well said. Also, its misleading to move Giroux and Laughton off the list of top 5 centers just because they are better at wing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:20 PM ET
Numbers 3-5 are questionable nhl players who cant stay healthy
Numbers 1-2 are really second line and third line centers respectively who can’t stay healthy

- wbroudy


How many 30 goal 70 point 2nd line centers are there in the NHL?
wbroudy
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:33 PM ET
How many 30 goal 70 point 2nd line centers are there in the NHL?
- MJL

wbroudy
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:40 PM ET
[quote=wbroudy][/ yes playing with G he has had two 76 point season and some other success . But he is not a play driver or premier offensive player. They won’t win anything with him as a 1 c
wbroudy
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:44 PM ET
Why are the Flyers the only team dealing with this amount of injuries to key players?
Bad luck and coincidence right? Has nothing to do with players repeatedly returning from injury and being injured the first game back. Or Fletcher trading for a glass chandelier on the north side of 30? Or a training/medical staff who continue to embarrass themselves.

This franchise is in this situation due to incompetence and dysfunction. Nothing more, nothing less.

- PLindbergh31

Some are older players,29-30 plus, and older players do decline . Farabee needs to be stronger.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:48 PM ET
[quote=wbroudy]
- wbroudy[/ yes playing with G he has had two 76 point season and some other success . But he is not a play driver or premier offensive player. They won’t win anything with him as a 1 c


Your statement that Couturier is not a play driver and is a #2 center is not correct in my opinion. He has been a play driver for most of his career. He is a center that can match up against other teams top lines, and carry the play. Generate more shot chances and possession. When healthy, every player who plays with Couturier getds better. Including Giroux. While he is not an elite offensive player, Couturier healthy is unquestionably a #1 NHL center and a very good one at that. Build the team around him to a high level and I have no doubt that you can win with him as a 1C.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 18 @ 8:51 PM ET
😭

I am sure Moscow is safer in terms of random crime. I am not sure that is an appropriate comparison though

Btw, Hesh and other geography nerds: this game was invented for you:

https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/

- PT21

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

Love going the geography quizzes on Sporcle
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 18 @ 10:04 PM ET
This is unequivocally 100% untrue. Aube-Kubel was waived and claimed by the Avs in November!


The Flyers chose to keep Zac McEwen and Patrick Brown instead.

- MJL


Yes, two guys who have $750k cap hits.

The Flyers having a terrible cap situation literally isn't debatable. They had to wait until the end of the off-season to offer Brassard less than a mil to play in the top 9.

The moment Flyers management realized this team wasn't going anywhere this season, moves like this needed to start happening. Yes, that was pretty clear even back in November.






iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Feb 18 @ 11:14 PM ET
Is that why he is keeping his own defence minister at such a distance?



Please remember that the reason Macron and Scholz sat the way they did is because they refused to provide blood samples in the fear their DNA would be targeted. The leader of Kazakshtan, prime stooge that he is, surely consented (his DNA is almost certainly in Russian hands anyway).

- PT21

It is a strange picture. All of the rest sounds like psych babble, TBH.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Feb 18 @ 11:55 PM ET
All this Russia talk. So my son at 15 says he wants to do small trip to Europe for his hs graduation. I tell him get a job and save up. He he did. He really wanted highlight to see Chernobyl. Then political virus hits and that’s done the tubes. He turned 17 in august and enlisted in army. So ironically he could still see Russia
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 19 @ 6:54 AM ET
Yes, two guys who have $750k cap hits.

The Flyers having a terrible cap situation literally isn't debatable. They had to wait until the end of the off-season to offer Brassard less than a mil to play in the top 9.

The moment Flyers management realized this team wasn't going anywhere this season, moves like this needed to start happening. Yes, that was pretty clear even back in November.

- mochoson


This is a really nice spin attempt. When is the end of the off season and how does that support your premise? The same cap space to sign Brassard was there the entire off season. That comments makes zero sense. Low priced free agents are often signed later in the Summer. It wasn't a cap issue, it was a roster limit issue and the Flyers choosing to keep McEwen and Brown over Aube-Kubel. Which is further proof of the Flyers poor judgement that you're trying desperately to refute. You don't have the facts since the beginning of this conversation. Starting with your incorrect claim that the Flyers have 4K in cap space. When the Flyers waived Aube-Kubel they had played 12 games!
All of the facts are available at Capfriendly.com. There is a ton of information available there including FAQ's
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 19 @ 7:26 AM ET
This is a really nice spin attempt. When is the end of the off season? Low priced free agents are often signed later in the Summer. It wasn't a cap issue, it was a roster limit issue and the Flyers choosing to keep McEwen and Brown over Aube-Kubel. You don't have the facts since the beginning of this conversation. Starting with your incorrect claim that the Flyers have 4K in cap space. When the Flyers waived Aube-Kubel they had played 12 games!
All of the facts are available at Capfriendly.com. There is a ton of information available there including FAQ's

- MJL


Yeah because those two guys, for the last time, were cheaper. You have been saying the same thing as me this entire time. The logic is just beyond you for whatever reason. And yes, I sent the Flyers PROJECTED cap space because it reflects the teams ACTUAL cap situation, not a number that includes LTIR wiggle room.

If everyone on this team is healthy, the Flyers barely had wiggle room to make basic roster moves. This is just math and it's not hard. Without NAK here, the Flyers have a little more cap space after replacing his roster spot with a cheaper player. Do you deny this simple fact?

Yesterday, you felt the need to point out the Flyers had 15 forwards on their roster. They now have 14 as of this morning and just barely over $4mil in cap space with LTIR. If NAK was still here and someone like MacEwen or Willman was on the Phantoms, that number would obviously be below $4mil.

The $275k you get from trading NAK could be the difference maker as to whether Chuck can pull off a trade. It could be the difference in space the Flyers need to take certain contracts back in a potential trade. Your argument is basically "its not a difference maker because the Flyers can just use LTIR". It's not even close to being that simple.

NAK also had the most expensive salary of any of the fringe roster players in actual dollars this season, thus making him EXPENSIVE (the very first word I used in this entire argument) and EXPENDABLE.

Do yourself a favor and check the dates Hayes first came off LTIR, NAK being waived, and the last game Ryan Ellis played. Then ask yourself why Hayes hasn't been put back on LTIR yet despite having had multiple surgeries already this season and clearly not being close to playing.

I can tell you why! Its because LTIR CAP SPACE ISN'T REAL CAP SPACE.

Thanks for playing.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 19 @ 7:36 AM ET
yes playing with G he has had two 76 point season and some other success . But he is not a play driver or premier offensive player. They won’t win anything with him as a 1 c
- wbroudy


I don't think you understand what play driving is lol.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 19 @ 7:51 AM ET
All I know is this, that Elliott Friedman report that stated G only gave the Flyers 3 teams to be traded to better be false, or the Flyers are royally screwed and will get pennies on the dollar for G. I already posted that St. Louis really has no need for him, and Colorado would consider him a luxury, so that means you have Minnesota and who else? You need to least 3 teams that absolutely want G for this to work. The fact that there were many teams, I was told up to 12 NHL clubs, scouting the Flyers the other night I hope means G's list is much broader.

And please take all this Russia ... Russia ... Russia talk over to CNN, or Fox News, or whatever your favorite news site is, and let us Flyers fans talk hockey and insult each other like civilized adults!
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