On a different topic, wouldn't it be great next year to have a 4th line of Laughton centering Oscar and Wade with Frosty a productive 3C? Fill in the above with usual suspects and perhaps we have a marginal playoff team.
- biggbear77

Flyers need Frost to be a 2C at some point.

Yes, I don't want to Flyers to give up on Frost and I agree the Flyers have nothing to lose with playing Frost with better offensive players. I also understand Frost missed the entire season last year, that is why I am fine with him starting on the 3rd line and developing into an NHL player. All I want Frost to do is demonstrate consistently that he is the best Flyer player on the ice in the minutes that he gets, and then and only then do I think he will be ready for a top 6. Right now, G is your 1C (until he is dealt) and Laughton is your 2C (and doing quite well in that role), so there really isn't another spot for Frost right now, but after the deadline Frost will or should have ample opportunity to play in the top 6. I just hope he takes advantage it for the Flyers sake.
- jd250

So more of the same archaic make him earn it. He has had plenty of games where he has been the best player on his line.

1. No, it was a comment about the quality not the topic of "discussion", which I will demonstrate to you very succinctly in another post, along with why I placed "discussion" in quotations.

2. Caring about an issue requires knowledge about that issue, and having read many of your posts, pardon my skepticism about this fact.

3. The "discussion" yesterday stemmed off the ancestry of Komarov, which led to a natural segue. Traffic was slow here. No hockey "discussion" was crowded out.

4. You also have no control over Flyers issues either.
- PT21

Wow!

Oh boy, just what this team needs, more fragile players.
- jd250

Have to take that a step further. Does he have fragile confidence because of his nature. Or has that lack of confidence been created by the circumstances? To me, it's clearly the latter

This is the NHL, not the CHL.

His competition is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, more skilled, etc.. than most 'kids' he played against in the CHL.

Being built a toothpick makes it more difficult for some players to compete against the bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, more skilled players at the NHL level. And over 82 games a season. And 2 months of more intense and physical hockey known as the playoffs.

As I stated. He has moments. But good players are consistent. Not guys who have moments. Is being built like a toothpick making it difficult to reach a higher 'compete' level for him? Is he a player who was always better than most so never developed a proper work ethic? Is that why he only has moments at this level?

That's a problem. Good players usually have a natural 'edge' to them. Frost doesn't seem to have it. Or at least has not developed it yet. Something is missing.

Not all players can make it at this level. Frost turns 23 soon. Farabee and Konecny showed 'signs of life' at this point in their careers and earned themselves new contracts.

Frost is a RFA and def not on the same path as those two. There was a bigger contract waiting for him as the end of the season. But his play has not earned it. He still has time to get going. But the longer this goes on, the more red flags show on him.

He saw the contracts those two got and still Frost has not showed a hunger or edge to get paid with RFA looking him right in the face. That's odd.
- Captain_Ahab

This post is odd. I have no clue what observations would lead you to this conclusion. I guess the old statement about opinions still applies.

Flyers need Frost to be a 2C at some point.
- MJL

Totally agree. I paid to watch him in the juniors and have been pulling for him since draft. Hope he has that AHA! moment soon.

So his premise that NAK was waived for cheaper players is untrue and yet part of the reason he was waived is for cap space? Usually it takes you a few minutes to contradict yourself, generally, the over/under is 5 mins. This time you managed it in the same sentence.

Is this what you call discussion?
- PT21

I'm sorry if my explanation went over your head. There is absolutely no contradiction here, unless of course, you are trying really hard to find one. Next time I will use R Y B blocks so even you can understand.

Some fans want to keep making this comparison.

Konecny by the time he was approximately Frosts age had played about 260 NHL games
Farabee at 21 has played 140 NHL games.

Frost approaching 23 has played 50 games and has had to deal with missed games played due to Covid and injury
- MJL

True, but how did TK and Farabee look in their first 50 games compared to Frost? IMO, TK and Farabee were much more noticeable and impactful. It doesn't mean however that Frost will not explode into a good player at some point, just that so far he definitely is showing a fragile mentality which is not good.

Have to take that a step further. Does he have fragile confidence because of his nature. Or has that lack of confidence been created by the circumstances? To me, it's clearly the latter
- MJL

Good point, this environment can't be great with losing all the time. Even Yeo said the team is afraid to make mistakes in games and that is why they have been losing in dramatic fashion recently. If a veteran like Provorov is afraid to make mistakes, how does this impact a young player like Frost?

His lack of production and inconsistent play in a contract year.

Please pay attention.
- Captain_Ahab

If you are limiting the basis for your conclusions to stats, you ought not to use terms like “hungry” which suggest in-play observations. You may also want to note that stats depend on utilization, which has been pretty inexplicable. Pay attention to what your writing suggests.

Stats? Like Frost getting benched in the AHL this season?

Like his inconsistent play that even Bill has pointed out?

Please continue to ignore facts and comments from even the Flyers coaches and former coaches like Gordan.

Like I said. Pay attention. And don't form opinions based on 'if.'

Now goodbye. You are ignored.
- Captain_Ahab

Lol. Go find another obsession besides crank posts about something you know so little about.

Konecny scored 24 goals at age 21(?) His first of 3 - 24 goal seasons in a row.

Farabee scored 20 at age 20. This season was on pace to hit the 20 goal mark again before the shoulder injury.

These players showed signs of life at this stage/younger age than Frost has.
- Captain_Ahab

Kind of makes you pine for Dave Hakstol, doesn’t it? Maybe Frost would do better with him?

Stats? Like Frost getting benched in the AHL this season?

Like his inconsistent play that even Bill has pointed out?

Please continue to ignore facts and comments from even the Flyers coaches and former coaches like Gordan.

Like I said. Pay attention. And don't form opinions based on 'if.'

Now goodbye. You are ignored.
- Captain_Ahab

People are hanging onto a 4-5 game stint when he played with G two years ago as this glimpse. Fact of the matter is the kid has been extremely disappointing and it’s more than warranted to question if he’ll ever be an NHL regular at this point.

People are hanging onto a 4-5 game stint when he played with G two years ago as this glimpse. Fact of the matter is the kid has been extremely disappointing and it’s more than warranted to question if he’ll ever be an NHL regular at this point.
- ClaudeFather

Not really. I have watched a lot of games when he has played and he is a legit NHL player. I don’t want to see him as another example of poor assessment and development. He is a top 6 guy who can make a difference from what I have seen.

Not really. I have watched a lot of games when he has played and he is a legit NHL player. I don’t want to see him as another example of poor assessment and development. He is a top 6 guy who can make a difference from what I have seen.
- iamscore2day

Just when will that start?

All we hear is Frost does not play with skill and in the top 6, but he was there earlier in the year and was underwhelming.

So he is now in the bottom 6 and consistently is not the best player on his line of ahl types or journeymen. He has not performed well up the lineup and has been just ok playing in a limited role. One would think if he only played 10 mins a night that he would be an animal on the ice during those minutes, but in reality he is unnoticeable more times than not. I would say of late he has been just ok. That’s it.

If he contributes next year that will be great, but at this point he does even appear to know there is a game going on half the time. Not shocked the flyers are struggling with where to put him right now.

Not really. I have watched a lot of games when he has played and he is a legit NHL player. I don’t want to see him as another example of poor assessment and development. He is a top 6 guy who can make a difference from what I have seen.
- iamscore2day

He’s a fringe player at best right now, he has sucked. We all watch the games.

On a different topic, wouldn't it be great next year to have a 4th line of Laughton centering Oscar and Wade with Frosty a productive 3C? Fill in the above with usual suspects and perhaps we have a marginal playoff team.
- biggbear77

Laughton and Oscar are expensive 4th line players

So the only way you feel like a human being is to talk about world issues like Covid and Russia? What a bunch of rhetorical nonsense. I care about these issues as much, if not more, than you do, but I also respect the purpose of a public forum, in this case a forum dedicated to hockey and the Flyers. And BTW, I feel just as human talking about the Flyers as a do about Russia, in fact I feel much more human connecting with Flyers fans all over the country than I do speaking about a world issue I have absolutely no control over, and frankly for a few minutes every day would like to forget.
- jd250

Seriously the best post you ever made on this forum. Bravo dude.

Just when will that start?

All we hear is Frost does not play with skill and in the top 6, but he was there earlier in the year and was underwhelming.

So he is now in the bottom 6 and consistently is not the best player on his line of ahl types or journeymen. He has not performed well up the lineup and has been just ok playing in a limited role. One would think if he only played 10 mins a night that he would be an animal on the ice during those minutes, but in reality he is unnoticeable more times than not. I would say of late he has been just ok. That’s it.

If he contributes next year that will be great, but at this point he does even appear to know there is a game going on half the time. Not shocked the flyers are struggling with where to put him right now.
- Joe Nardone

I totally disagree with that. Against the caps on the PP, he started the passing that led to a goal and then he is not out the next PP. Our coaches keep yanking the rug out from under him. He passes the eye test in every respect. Put him out there for several games with TK and Lindblom and let’s see what he can do. Chunky/Bobby are more interested in defending their signing of cast offs to winning or developing our farm team. On that score, this incessant carping about the players not showing their commitment or hunger gives our absurd staff and FO a pass on things like playing KY on power plays and letting him on the ice at all and how we choose to use a kid like Frost. Face it, our development of players and commitment to winning is at best a mixed message.

He won OHL Coaches Poll back to back years for best stickhandler. AHL All-Star Game selection as a rookie. And, again, I will post video links if you want to them to pro -- AHL and NHL -- situations where he showed ability to get separation. He DOES fall back on not being nearly assertive enough. But to say he doesn't have those abilities at all is laughable. He absolutely does.
- bmeltzer

Like most playmakers, he's often slowing down to allow the play to develop. He's not a Michael Grabner who just grabs the puck turns on the jets in every situation. And like most playmakers, he thrives when he's playing with skilled players. Put him with a couple of cement hands and you're just wasting him.

Flyers have no clue how to develop unless a guy is basically turnkey.

He’s a fringe player at best right now, he has sucked. We all watch the games.
- ClaudeFather

Fringe use, yes. Fringe talent, no. When we ship him out, you can likely add him to the list of former flyers who go on to win a cup: Forsberg, RBA, Sharp, Williams, Carter, to name a few. Having read most of these posts, being moved to another team may be the best thing that could happen to him. Folks on this board will be happy if we bring more of the same talent that has not won a cup in 57 years.

Fringe use, yes. Fringe talent, no. When we ship him out, you can likely add him to the list of former flyers who go on to win a cup: Forsberg, RBA, Sharp, Williams, Carter, to name a few. Having read most of these posts, being moved to another team may be the best thing that could happen to him. Folks on this board will be happy if we bring more of the same talent that has not won a cup in 57 years.
- iamscore2day

I’m rooting for the kid, I thought at one point he was going to be a really good player, and I don’t like the yo-yo up and down he’s received but he just has not shown any consistency to his game. Some plays here and there, that’s it.

True, but how did TK and Farabee look in their first 50 games compared to Frost? IMO, TK and Farabee were much more noticeable and impactful. It doesn't mean however that Frost will not explode into a good player at some point, just that so far he definitely is showing a fragile mentality which is not good.
- jd250

Every player is different. What are the Flyers doing to help that situation? Absolutely nothing.

Good point, this environment can't be great with losing all the time. Even Yeo said the team is afraid to make mistakes in games and that is why they have been losing in dramatic fashion recently. If a veteran like Provorov is afraid to make mistakes, how does this impact a young player like Frost?
- jd250

It's far more than just about this season.

People are hanging onto a 4-5 game stint when he played with G two years ago as this glimpse.
- ClaudeFather

That is not correct in my opinion. It's based on far more than a 4-5 game stint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4-ymhBic7o