Really?

So Couturier, Hayes and Brassard couldnt match lets say Minnesota's Ryan Hartman (35 points), Eriksson Ek (26 points) and F.Gaudreau (19 points)?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Really?

Minnesota is in the Western Conference. Flyers play in the Metro division of the Eastern conference and would not be in a playoff race with Minnesota.

Now that the vax rules are relaxed the fans must’ve been banging down the doors to get in to last night’s game.

Dave Scott said that was a big factor in attendance.

Yup, we'll just keep dwelling on the negative. But wait .. what about all the players that are not injured and play game in and game out, you know, players like G, Hart, Sanheim, Provorov, Atkinson, Laughton, TK, Yandle and so on. It seems weird that these players have not been impacted by the "embarrassing" training/medical staff. Hmmm ... maybe there is another reason for this. Nah, its a red herring, we need to get back to focusing on the injured players like Couturier, out for the year with a bad back, those wretched Flyers medical people!!! Arrrgghhh!! But wait, I look at Couturier before this year and I see he played about 95% of the games in 6 out of his 11 seasons with the Flyers, and this being the very first year in his career that he has had a season ending injury. Hmmmm ... so it can't be that "embarrassing" medical staff, because I would think this would have been recurring in his career ... so it must be something else also. Gee, that bad luck excuse is starting to become more relevant than I thought.

Oh well, forget all this medical nonsense, let's beat up on Fletcher for trading away two stiffs to get a top pairing RHS defenseman, something this team desperately needed, albeit there was concern over past injuries. How could he trade away these two lovely and high performing players for a player that could possibly be injured?? What a wretched GM Fletcher is ... Arrrggghhh! But wait, Ellis never had any injury like this in his career, and no one could have possibly foreseen this happening, and he is when healthy one of the best defenseman in the league, and we really gave up nothing more than the equivalent of two bags of used cat liter for him, so rationally I think this was a good trade and worth the risk. Hmmm ... so then why did this have to happen to our best defenseman?? Yup, there is bad luck excuse coming back again.

Carry on ....
- jd250

Multiple players have come back from injury, only to be reinjured again. Some of them multiple times. Couturier was playing with an injury that ultimately forced him to require surgery and miss the remainder of the season. This is something that has to be looked at as an issue. Calling it a red herring and sweeping it under the carpet is having blinders on.

Fletcher traded for a player with 6 years left on his contract that was made available. You labeled the return that Nashville received as two stiffs. If we assume that is true, who trades a legit top pairing RH defenseman for two stiffs? The rest of the league couldn't beat that deal? What does that tell you? This was explained to you when the deal was made back in the Summer.

Carry on......

HA!
- PLindbergh31

I am kinda hoping that some of the surgeries/treatments could have been deferred to summer, but were scheduled now in recognition that this organization is in desperate need of talent. In other words, neither luck nor medical staff are to blame. I am probably giving them too much credit.

Excellent use of "smithereens" btw .

didnt Crosby and malkin start the year injured?

What 5 centers are you talking about? A top pair dman who the never had.

Bottom line is it is excuse making. Don't want to hear it. They are not good enough if healthy. This team when healthy isn't talented enough. I am sure you disagree which is just fine. This team is soft in every aspect and has been for a years. Any adversity they crumble.
- hello it's me 2050

Crosby missed like 8 games. Pitt had all their starting D and their goalie is playing phenomenal.

Starting Centers
1. Coots
2. Hayes
3. Brassard
4. Thompson
5. Brown

Current Centers
G
Laughton
Frost
Bunnaman

Now that the vax rules are relaxed the fans must’ve been banging down the doors to get in to last night’s game.

Dave Scott said that was a big factor in attendance.
- StepfordSam

SRO

I understand that you have no faith in Fletcher and his staff, but there is no rational reason to remove Fletcher at this point. He is going to have the rest of this season and the off season to get this team back on track. You might as well root for him and hope to God you are wrong about him, because the alternative is we are back here again next year, only if so I will be 100% agreeing with you that Fletcher must go. I just hope when things do turn around you will give me the same courtesy.
- jd250

Stating that there is no rational reason to remove Fletcher is delusional. We'll just leave it at that.

Rock bottom approaching

Crosby missed like 8 games. Pitt had all their starting D and their goalie is playing phenomenal.

Starting Centers
1. Coots
2. Hayes
3. Brassard
4. Thompson
5. Brown

Current Centers
G
Laughton
Frost
Bunnaman
- WhiskeyMan

How many games has Malkin missed?

Thompson and Brown are slugs. Brassard/Hayes have both tried to return 3 or 4 times from injury this year and have been re-injured every time. What does that tell you?

I know they're bad but their was zero excuse to not at least get it to OT.

I'd like to throw a nod to TK. He looks like the player we know he's capable of being over these past few games.
- Pelle31Forever

he and Laughton have settled in nicely, something to be said about having a consistent line-mate.

Im not in any way defending how this team has been built. But the fact is no GM or team depth could overcome the amount of injuries to top players this team has. They just don't have the horses. And there are no deals out there to get better players to save this season.

female doging about the lineup is somewhat silly. Anyone who thinks this team, as it is iced currently, should be winning any games is delusional. And as much as I dislike what Comcast and Fletch has done, there is NO GM that could overcome what has happened injury wise.

And don't give me the "all teams have injuries" BS. They all do. And they all suffer from it. Any team that is without its top 5 centers, top 6 wing, 1st and 2nd pair dman, and icing the bottom two lines full of AHL callups is not going to win.

Its been dragging down the level of debate in here for months. Its become a game of gotcha and trying to one up the cleverness of the insults.

If most of you are like this is real life its no wonder the world is going to poop.
- MBFlyerfan

very entertaining post

Goat of the game tonight goes to Morgan Frost. I thought he was mostly awful all night and then he proceeds to get rag dolled by Carl Hagelin of all players on the tying goal. Only 9 minutes of ice time and he earned his spot! I'm tired of hearing people say that he needs to be moved up with better players! What he needs to do is put on his big boy NHL pants and EARN a spot on the higher lines. Look no further than Jerry Mayhew. Was moved up to the top line cause he was playing well and took advantage of it. You watching Morgie? Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Come on, to be fair, poor kid missed a whole season and he really needs more and more and more and more and more and
more and more and more and more and more and
more and more and more and more and more and more games.
he should be ready to show us a lot in like 3 or 4 years.

Rock bottom approaching
- konalover711

You mean we are not there yet?

Top 5 teams in Man Games Lost for 2021-22 up to Feb. 10:

MTL 422
BUF 338
VAN 331
PHI 323
ARI 309

How many games has Malkin missed?

Thompson and Brown are slugs. Brassard/Hayes have both tried to return 3 or 4 times from injury this year and have been re-injured every time. What does that tell you?
- PLindbergh31

Yes Malkin missed half the season but the rest of the team did not. Thompson and Brown maybe slugs, but they are NHL slugs not AHL slugs.

Just face it, injuries, poor play and some poor coaching have hurt this team. And if Hart played like Jarry has, the flyers would be in a better position.

I'm saying as a player to lose like this sucks, there is no worse feeling. Yes I want the Flyers to lose games and get a higher draft pick, but last night I actually found myself wanting them to win. They deserved it, they played hard and they played the right way. I really felt bad for the team last night.
- jd250

Why would you explain yourself to that Dbag troll.
What an a$$$hole MJ is just trying to bait you.
Ask that Ahole one question, ask him about the endless depth the Flyers have that he touted 2 months ago.
He is a fool and to get into a urination competition with his stupidity is the definition of stupidity.

Top 5 teams in Man Games Lost for 2021-22 up to Feb. 10:

MTL 422
BUF 338
VAN 331
PHI 323
ARI 309
- Minnyhock

To be fair, for MTL , Weber and Price have missed the entire season. Didn't realize they had 7 guys on IR including their starting goalie? Just ouch!

Yes Malkin missed half the season but the rest of the team did not. Thompson and Brown maybe slugs, but they are NHL slugs not AHL slugs.

Just face it, injuries, poor play and some poor coaching have hurt this team. And if Hart played like Jarry has, the flyers would be in a better position.
- WhiskeyMan

A better position for what? The reality is that all the injuries are a blessing in disguise and have in a small way, saved the Flyers from themselves.

Multiple players have come back from injury, only to be reinjured again. Some of them multiple times. Couturier was playing with an injury that ultimately forced him to require surgery and miss the remainder of the season. This is something that has to be looked at as an issue. Calling it a red herring and sweeping it under the carpet is having blinders on.

Fletcher traded for a player with 6 years left on his contract that was made available. You labeled the return that Nashville received as two stiffs. If we assume that is true, who trades a legit top pairing RH defenseman for two stiffs? The rest of the league couldn't beat that deal? What does that tell you? This was explained to you when the deal was made back in the Summer.

Carry on......
- MJL

We're back to why did Nashville trade ellis ? This should be fun

Top 5 teams in Man Games Lost for 2021-22 up to Feb. 10:

MTL 422
BUF 338
VAN 331
PHI 323
ARI 309
- Minnyhock

Minnyhock, hello.

Do you believe that the Suter/Parise buyouts were done at least partly with an eye towards the 23-5 drafts? Yes I read what you said about Guerin stating you can rebuild on the fly. But...every GM has to say that. No team can be competitive spotting almost 20% of cap to others.

All of that is 100% true. My issue is about what I think is going to happen in the future. The team thinks they have a good team that was derailed by injuries. I say they had a playoff bubble team. Because of that thinking by the team, they're going to double down on the strategy of team building that they have been using. That is not going to get them to where I want them to get to. It's far more likely to put blocks in place for the future than to build a legit cup contender.
- MJL

Come on Moron you said we have endless depth!!!
You are such a fraud with your BS narrative full of you just being a keyboard blowhard.
Crawl under your rock troll!!

Top 5 teams in Man Games Lost for 2021-22 up to Feb. 10:

MTL 422
BUF 338
VAN 331
PHI 323
ARI 309
- Minnyhock

The worst, second worst, fifth worst, sixth worst and Vancouver.

I think we wouldve been a playoff team if fully healthy, but also agree we are way too soft,,,, and have been for years. Need a couple physical D and 1 or 2 forwards going into next year.
- bradster

Which of the 4 teams in the Met would the Flyers have beaten if they were 100% healthy all yr?? IMO none of them. At best fully healthy Flyers are 6th best team in the Met behind the 4 playoff teams and the Isles. They werent making the playoffs even if healthy.

Yes Malkin missed half the season but the rest of the team did not. Thompson and Brown maybe slugs, but they are NHL slugs not AHL slugs.

Just face it, injuries, poor play and some poor coaching have hurt this team. And if Hart played like Jarry has, the flyers would be in a better position.
- WhiskeyMan

Malkin 32 games
Rust 18 games
Zucker 17 games
Crosby 8 games

That is 4 players in their top 6, if you want to argue Zucker is a third line player fine, but 4 of their top forwards have missed a combined 75 games. Including their top two players missing a combined 40 games. They basically have the top record in the Eastern Conference. It is possible to withstand injuries and compete when you have depth.

Multiple players have come back from injury, only to be reinjured again. Some of them multiple times. Couturier was playing with an injury that ultimately forced him to require surgery and miss the remainder of the season. This is something that has to be looked at as an issue. Calling it a red herring and sweeping it under the carpet is having blinders on.

Fletcher traded for a player with 6 years left on his contract that was made available. You labeled the return that Nashville received as two stiffs. If we assume that is true, who trades a legit top pairing RH defenseman for two stiffs? The rest of the league couldn't beat that deal? What does that tell you? This was explained to you when the deal was made back in the Summer.

Carry on......
- MJL

And I still make the trade even with the risks that were there. Ellis when on is one of the best defenseman in the league, and there is still a good chance he is right for next season and beyond. If the Flyers gave up for Ellis what they gave up for Risto I would agree with you, but in the Ellis case even though this season did not work out, I still think it will be a good trade in the long run.