Zucker sucks and blows, so putting his name next to Crosby and others is just ignorant. How does this compare to losing your best defenseman and 1st and 2nd line center for the entire season, never mind major portions of your depth to a point where your bottom two lines are AHL players. I think you need to go back to the drawing board ...
- jd250

Zucker sucks and blows? Is he Megamaid?

All that matters is the flyers center group isn't good enough. This is a fact. You disagree. That is nice.
- hello it's me 2050

So they arent good enough despite me proving a team with equal talent to the Flyers when healthy has been better than many teams with better Cs.....

So thats how you deal with being wrong?

And I still make the trade even with the risks that were there. Ellis when on is one of the best defenseman in the league, and there is still a good chance he is right for next season and beyond. If the Flyers gave up for Ellis what they gave up for Risto I would agree with you, but in the Ellis case even though this season did not work out, I still think it will be a good trade in the long run.
- jd250

When you're a team in the Flyers position, you don't take on that risk. Making that trade was pure stupidity on Fletcher's part. Now were in the spot of there being a chance that he is healthy in the future. I understand the future cap ramifications.

What does that matter? He said our Cs arent good enough. Minnesota's success with similar point producing Cs is proof they can be.

One could easily argue the Cs on STL, NSH, WPG and DAL are better yet MIN is still 2nd in the division.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No, what was said was about the Flyers being a playoff team who they would beat in a playoff race. You responded with players on Minnesota. So the correct comparison is between the Flyers and the teams in the Metro and Eastern conference.

Now that the vax rules are relaxed the fans must’ve been banging down the doors to get in to last night’s game.

Dave Scott said that was a big factor in attendance.
- StepfordSam

Dave Scott is too busy looking at the injury reports EVERYDAY, to care about the attendance. He gets it, he understands, and he's mad just like the rest of his fans.

BTW - after breakfast my stomach had a bias for action and it felt really good.

Now once I get 2 or 3 more bias' I'll be in really good shape and cleared out....

At least the Flyers have one player leading the league. Yandle has the worst +/- total for the entire NHL.
- biggles88

He was going to be regardless. He's a 3rd pair PP specialist type player. PPP dont improve +/- and 3rd pair Dmen

The reality is +/- is not a good stat to use. Seeler is -1. Doesnt make him any less garbage Yandle.

Only 6 players arent negatives and one of them played 4 games this season. A player gets a minus regardless of whether the GA is his fault or not. All players on the ice get a minus if Hart lets in a weak goal. Thats happened from time to time. Every player on the ice gets a minus when Yandle flubs the puck on the PP and they give up a shorty.

In Yandles case yes it may work out to the fact he hasnt been good but he isnt the only one on the ice at thos times and they take the hit for his mistakes too which doesnt paint the correct picture for the other 4 guys

Minnyhock, hello.

Do you believe that the Suter/Parise buyouts were done at least partly with an eye towards the 23-5 drafts? Yes I read what you said about Guerin stating you can rebuild on the fly. But...every GM has to say that. No team can be competitive spotting almost 20% of cap to others.
- PT21

Guerin said the buyouts were in the works for a long time. Most likely as soon as he arrived. The Wild prospect pool is top 5 and they’ve done a good job being patient and not rushing them up. That probably won’t hold since they will need those baseline contracts to fill out a roster. When Guerin says he can contend during cap hell, I would say he knows compete is what he will shoot for.

I guess I don't see his posts as just designed to evoke a response, which would be a troll post.

Nvm. Is someone going to say something interesting today? How is the 2024 draft supposed to be like? What if we had kept the draft pick and gone for Wallstedt?

Here are the SHL stats for 21-22 for goalies. Note what Wallstedt is doing at the age of 19:
https://www.quanthockey.c...ns/shl-goalies-stats.html.

Down the line, we could have traded Hart and gotten a prime asset back.
- PT21

We have at least 4 excellent goalies: Hart, Sandstrom, Ersson and Fedotov. That is an area where we have a lot of talent.

No, what was said was about the Flyers being a playoff team who they would beat in a playoff race. You responded with players on Minnesota. So the correct comparison is between the Flyers and the teams in the Metro and Eastern conference.
- MJL

No. I know what I said, I compared PHI and Minny for the reasons I specified. Im not going to sit here and argue with you because I know you. You are going reply and reply because you apparently have nothing better do and you never let things go. Hence why most of the time I ignore your posts. Lately I cracked and thats on me but Im going to start continuing to avoid you again because you dont like to be wrong.

Zucker blows, yet people are citing Thompson and Brown when referencing the Flyers injuries.

- PLindbergh31

Consistency is the hobgoblin of a mediocre mind.

Zucker sucks and blows, so putting his name next to Crosby and others is just ignorant. How does this compare to losing your best defenseman and 1st and 2nd line center for the entire season, never mind major portions of your depth to a point where your bottom two lines are AHL players. I think you need to go back to the drawing board ...
- jd250

I came into this season saying CF made them better, that he still needed another off-season to find a way to add speed and skill. The Flyers were a team that could win a playoff round but would need to catch lighting in a bottle to do better, well they didn't catch it and got stuck by it. I don't lean one way or the other about firing CF. There has been over a decade of mismanagement, is changing CF going to change that? The decision are influenced from the above the GM level.

I am on record saying I am ok with CF doing a retool this off-season, as long as he has an eye for the future. He needs to pick in top 3 and get a 2nd for this season and hopefully next season. I do think Coots, Ellis and Hayes will all be healthy next season. I also think G will see what a well run franchise looks like and he will not come back. They Flyers have FXcked him around for most of his career. With G gone our high level talent will actually be less going into next season. CF already needed more, now it will be even harder. Do the Flyers have the assets to retool, to add speed and skill? I think they will. Will they have the CAP, could be. Will all the needed skill and speed players be available and fit into the cap? That is a small needle to thread.

I am getting more comfortable that the Flyers have some juice in the farm system, at least competent bottom 6 options. On the bad side, their player development blows. YEO is no better than AV. How in the hell are they not giving the kids big minutes. We have almost a half season to get a good long look at the kids and get them experience. Let the York's, Frost's and Zamula's play big minutes. it is just BAD management.

I don't think going back to the draft and wait and see approach is the right way. They would need to pick top 5 for 3 years to really get any sort of momentum going, unless they got lucky with a superstar.


I think a balanced, smart approach is what is needed

Consistency is the hobgoblin of a mediocre mind.
- iamscore2day

People will die on a hill defending this garbage. It's both sad and hilarious at the same time.

People will die on a hill defending this garbage. It's both sad and hilarious at the same time.
- PLindbergh31

What a fool believes ...

No. I know what I said, I compared PHI and Minny for the reasons I specified. Im not going to sit here and argue with you because I know you. You are going reply and reply because you apparently have nothing better do and you never let things go. Hence why most of the time I ignore your posts. Lately I cracked and thats on me but Im going to start continuing to avoid you again because you dont like to be wrong.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I didn't dispute what you said or why you said it. It was an incorrect comparison in the context of the Flyers in a playoff race. The original poster also mentioned ranking the Flyers centers against teams in the division. You went with Minnesota.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of a mediocre mind.
- iamscore2day

Puck you.

So they arent good enough despite me proving a team with equal talent to the Flyers when healthy has been better than many teams with better Cs.....

So thats how you deal with being wrong?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

What teams are the flyers better then at the center spot in their division? Comical you htink ex selke hayes brassrd are a good enough combo down the middle.

That threesome is in the bottom end of the league.

Yeah so wrong in this case. The have a excellent center group, my bad.

When healthy. Flyers organization loves fans like you. All this talent. Only what could have been if not for the injuries.

We have at least 4 excellent goalies: Hart, Sandstrom, Ersson and Fedotov. That is an area where we have a lot of talent.
- iamscore2day

How can you say they are excellent? What are basing this on?

And this is exactly why the flyers are bottom feeders now. Mayhew has looked good on both ends of the puck... I'm not sure why he went a call up option before.
- Bob Habib

Mayhew scored 39 goals in the AHL. The Wild brought him up the next year but mistakenly played him with unskilled guys and he didn’t score. Mayhew needs to provide decent secondary scoring to merit a roster spot.

Mayhew scored 39 goals in the AHL. The Wild brought him up the next year but mistakenly played him with unskilled guys and he didn’t score. Mayhew needs to provide decent secondary scoring to merit a roster spot.
- Minnyhock

That's perfect for the Flyers though. They are experts at misusing players.

If the Flyers were healthy and playing like this, they would beat the Caps and Penguins, no doubt about it IMO.
- jd250

You mean the 1st place Penqueens..not a chance. They are 6th best team in division

Im not in any way defending how this team has been built. But the fact is no GM or team depth could overcome the amount of injuries to top players this team has. They just don't have the horses. And there are no deals out there to get better players to save this season.

female doging about the lineup is somewhat silly. Anyone who thinks this team, as it is iced currently, should be winning any games is delusional. And as much as I dislike what Comcast and Fletch has done, there is NO GM that could overcome what has happened injury wise.

And don't give me the "all teams have injuries" BS. They all do. And they all suffer from it. Any team that is without its top 5 centers, top 6 wing, 1st and 2nd pair dman, and icing the bottom two lines full of AHL callups is not going to win.

Its been dragging down the level of debate in here for months. Its become a game of gotcha and trying to one up the cleverness of the insults.

If most of you are like this is real life its no wonder the world is going to poop.
- MBFlyerfan

Way too much comprehension is being expressed here. Where is your mindless negative prattle?

We have at least 4 excellent goalies: Hart, Sandstrom, Ersson and Fedotov. That is an area where we have a lot of talent.
- iamscore2day

Lets see. (checks some stats)

Sandstrom is rocking a 0.895 with LHV. He is already 25. Not a small sample bias in that stat btw.
Ersson put up significantly worse #s in the SHL than Wallstedt while he was older.
Fedotov has yet to come over. Also 25. He is not in the top 15 in the KHL this season in sv% among goalies who have played at least 15 games.
Wheeler called Wallstedt the best goalie prospect in the world.

Summary: No one is tracking to be as good as Wallstedt. If he follows through, point is, he could be as good if not better than Hart, and for once, we could have had a surfeit of blue-chip talent in one key position that we could have traded for blue chip talent in another position.

Zucker sucks and blows, so putting his name next to Crosby and others is just ignorant. How does this compare to losing your best defenseman and 1st and 2nd line center for the entire season, never mind major portions of your depth to a point where your bottom two lines are AHL players. I think you need to go back to the drawing board ...
- jd250

Flyers 2nd line center is really a 3rd line guy. No way of knowing if Ellis was gonna be a #1 dman and expecting him not to get hurt during season is foolish based on age and history. Flyers were no better when guys like Couts..Farabee etc were in the lineup....

Guerin said the buyouts were in the works for a long time. Most likely as soon as he arrived. The Wild prospect pool is top 5 and they’ve done a good job being patient and not rushing them up. That probably won’t hold since they will need those baseline contracts to fill out a roster. When Guerin says he can contend during cap hell, I would say he knows compete is what he will shoot for.
- Minnyhock

That nuanced response was worthy of Alan Greenspan in which you appear to agree with me.

I would say this to you: it is essentially impossible that a GM NOT be aware of any move he makes affecting draft position. How could they? It is extremely relevant to their fortunes and is directly affected by the team they put on ice.

Yet to say they are thinking of draft position in current decisions is anathema to fans for a variety of reasons. As such, they almost have to behave like a politician in what they do and what they say and the gap thereof. Any public statements have to be interpreted in that context. It is truly bizarre.

Sometimes, the best strategic way to get out of this sort of 2-faced dilemma is to have your hands be publicly tied. It takes away discretion, and so, fans can't blame you. Guerin might have done just that. He can shoot for whatever he likes, point is, the straitjacket he has put himself in makes it unlikely (though not impossible) he will succeed.

I am hoping we have put ourselves in such a situation and I am hoping we can also lock ourselves in a bit more.

That's perfect for the Flyers though. They are experts at misusing players.
- MJL

It’s surreal how the Wild and Flyers have so many ties. Fletcher, Flehr, Yeo, Seeler, Mayhew,etc. The Flyers even brought over the Wild equipment manager.