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All assuming we are sellers.
I am going to stick with roster changes and leave out the later draft picks and organizational depth moves. Jets 2.0 biggest trades have been with Rangers, Vegas, Columbus and Blues. On the business side jets can use this trade deadline to shed some payroll, make room for prospects, and some asset management. Also assumes that Kekäläinen is still a riverboat gambler with playoff aspirations.
Rangers - Brendan Dillon (ld) -- Braden Schneider (rd)
Blues - Brian Little -- 2nd round pick? prospect?
Vegas - Vesalainen -- Kolesar, Keegan
Columbus - Copp -- Cole Sillinger - 2.0
Possible deals:
GM Chevy has a decision to make - to we proceed one more year in the quest for success as is - or do we wheel and deal. I am going to proceed as though we are dealing for the futre.
As I said previously only untouchables I see are
F - Connor, Ehlers, Perfetti, PLD, Lucius and Wheeler (NMC)
D - JoMo (probably)
G - Hellebuyck
So we go:
1. Scheifele & Vesalainen to Florida for A. Lundell, a 2023 1st and Vatrano (salary dump)
2. A. Copp and J Kovacavic to NYR for F. Chytil and B. Schneider
3. N. Pionk to Phil for T. Konecny (summer?)
4. N. Schmidt & D. Chisholm to Wash for H. Lapierre, C, V, Iorio, RD & Jets 2nd pick this year
5. P. Stastny for a 2nd
I don't have B. Dillon listed as I want to keep him to protect the kids - but really feel he might get dealt. If so for a 1st!
That's it - although I explore trading D. DeMelo and the rights to prospect N. Smith (if it looks like he won't sign) in an attempt to upgrade our RD
Now we let our new coach, Barry Trotz rule the roost! (or Joel Quenneville, Mike Babcock or Luke Richardson)
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Possible deals:
GM Chevy has a decision to make - to we proceed one more year in the quest for success as is - or do we wheel and deal. I am going to proceed as though we are dealing for the futre.
As I said previously only untouchables I see are
F - Connor, Ehlers, Perfetti, PLD, Lucius and Wheeler (NMC)
D - JoMo (probably)
G - Hellebuyck
So we go:
1. Scheifele & Vesalainen to Florida for A. Lundell, a 2023 1st and Vatrano (salary dump)
2. A. Copp and J Kovacavic to NYR for F. Chytil and B. Schneider
3. N. Pionk to Phil for T. Konecny (summer?)
4. N. Schmidt & D. Chisholm to Wash for H. Lapierre, C, V, Iorio, RD & Jets 2nd pick this year
5. P. Stastny for a 2nd
I don't have B. Dillon listed as I want to keep him to protect the kids - but really feel he might get dealt. If so for a 1st!
That's it - although I explore trading D. DeMelo and the rights to prospect N. Smith (if it looks like he won't sign) in an attempt to upgrade our RD
Now we let our new coach, Barry Trotz rule the roost! (or Joel Quenneville, Mike Babcock or Luke Richardson) - grahamzky
I'm fairly certain Lundell is untouchable and Schneider likely is too. |
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I'm fairly certain Lundell is untouchable and Schneider likely is too. - JetFuel
The kings have some excellent prospects, I wonder what they are looking to do? I know they’ve been attached to Chychrun in rumours but I’d be curious if they are interested in any Jets. We have a lot of young left shot D, they have the same but right shot |
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The kings have some excellent prospects, I wonder what they are looking to do? I know they’ve been attached to Chychrun in rumours but I’d be curious if they are interested in any Jets. We have a lot of young left shot D, they have the same but right shot - Ross77
Would love to see the Jets pick up a Center from LA. Current depth of
Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte
Turcotte
Vilardi
Anderson-Dolan
Heilenius
Pinelli
Madden
Every one of these players can be full time NHLers in 2-3 years. Someone's gotta be available
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I'm fairly certain Lundell is untouchable and Schneider likely is too. - JetFuel
Ya, you're probably right. Just think both the Panthers and Rangers are "all in" this season. Strike while the iron is hot!
Just imagine Florida with Scheifele in their line-up, but ya, maybe they'll go with youth. We'll soon see I guess. Barkov-Huberdeau-Scheifele pretty tempting.
Schneider, on the other hand, I'm not sure he is untouchable. Good package might get him back to the prairies. |
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The kings have some excellent prospects, I wonder what they are looking to do? I know they’ve been attached to Chychrun in rumours but I’d be curious if they are interested in any Jets. We have a lot of young left shot D, they have the same but right shot - Ross77
Good option, they have RH d-men - we have LH d-men.
They have that Clarke kid don't they? RH?
Gawd, tonight the Jets look like Cup contenders - so far! PLD is a horse when he wants to be.
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Would love to see the Jets pick up a Center from LA. Current depth of
Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte
Turcotte
Vilardi
Anderson-Dolan
Heilenius
Pinelli
Madden
Every one of these players can be full time NHLers in 2-3 years. Someone's gotta be available - Jacob Billington
Let's hope it is Byfield. Secondary pick - Turcotte.
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Let's hope it is Byfield. Secondary pick - Turcotte. - grahamzky
My initial instincts tell me Byfield it untouchable. They have taken a much slower place with him than many teams would be. I am not all to familiar with the market there, and how they are handling their prospects. But unless they see Koptiar calling it quits soon, one of those big names will be in the way out in the pipeline
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Would love to see the Jets pick up a Center from LA. Current depth of
Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte
Turcotte
Vilardi
Anderson-Dolan
Heilenius
Pinelli
Madden
Every one of these players can be full time NHLers in 2-3 years. Someone's gotta be available - Jacob Billington
Byfield is probably unavailable as you say. However Vilardi wouldn't be a bad catch, and I believe I've heard good things about Heilenius, but not sure. What's the scoop with him? Skilled? Big? Fast? Scorer-pass first?
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Byfield is probably unavailable as you say. However Vilardi wouldn't be a bad catch, and I believe I've heard good things about Heilenius, but not sure. What's the scoop with him? Skilled? Big? Fast? Scorer-pass first? - grahamzky
Sam Helenius is quite the interesting prospect. Very big kid at 6'6 (I believe) who is very physical. Hasn't put up too many points up in Finland, but has a great two way game. Has some discipline issues but that can be fixed. I would think he would be a good piece to add, likely ends up as a really good 3C
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Sam Helenius is quite the interesting prospect. Very big kid at 6'6 (I believe) who is very physical. Hasn't put up too many points up in Finland, but has a great two way game. Has some discipline issues but that can be fixed. I would think he would be a good piece to add, likely ends up as a really good 3C - Jacob Billington
Oh, ok, maybe they would take Lowry in return? Thx for report.
Folks, if that doesn't tell you tonight that we should be deadline sellers, I'm not sure what will. We simply don't have the horses. The defence needs to be addressed!
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Oh, ok, maybe they would take Lowry in return? Thx for report.
Folks, if that doesn't tell you tonight that we should be deadline sellers, I'm not sure what will. We simply don't have the horses. The defence needs to be addressed! - grahamzky
The available D at the trade deadline might be any of Giordano ( Kraken) Stralman and Chychrun (Arizona) , J Shultz ( Ottawa) , Dillon ( Wpg) , Lindholm and Manson ( Ducks) Chariot ( Mtl ) , Leddy , Dekeyser, Stall ( Wings) , De Haan (Hawks) , Ritso and Braun ( Flyers)
So lots of available talent who are ALL UFA's at season end on teams that most likely will not make the playoffs. Getting rid of Nat Schmidt with his contract and term in a tight cap market is not an option. He will remain a Jet. If you see any Jets departing it is most likely to be Copp ( 1st and prospect or 3rd pick ), Statsny ( 2nd and 5th ) , Dillon ( 2nd and 4th), and Beaulieu ( 5th ) with an outside chance at DeMelo ( 2nd and 5th).
If Scheif were traded he would be worth quite a lot considering his talent and low cap . He could be a huge asset for a team with a strong D and enough to win the right team a Cup but most of those teams are deep at center or don't have the right assets to give up short of some serious draft picks. I don't think the right trade is out there and he will remain a Jet.
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The available D at the trade deadline might be any of Giordano ( Kraken) Stralman and Chychrun (Arizona) , J Shultz ( Ottawa) , Dillon ( Wpg) , Lindholm and Manson ( Ducks) Chariot ( Mtl ) , Leddy , Dekeyser, Stall ( Wings) , De Haan (Hawks) , Ritso and Braun ( Flyers)
So lots of available talent who are ALL UFA's at season end on teams that most likely will not make the playoffs. Getting rid of Nat Schmidt with his contract and term in a tight cap market is not an option. He will remain a Jet. If you see any Jets departing it is most likely to be Copp ( 1st and prospect or 3rd pick ), Statsny ( 2nd and 5th ) , Dillon ( 2nd and 4th), and Beaulieu ( 5th ) with an outside chance at DeMelo ( 2nd and 5th).
If Scheif were traded he would be worth quite a lot considering his talent and low cap . He could be a huge asset for a team with a strong D and enough to win the right team a Cup but most of those teams are deep at center or don't have the right assets to give up short of some serious draft picks. I don't think the right trade is out there and he will remain a Jet. - jetsnation
I’m very torn on Sheif trade. I know he can be so much better and I’d love to see him with a new coaching staff and systems. But then on the other hand, I have no patience left to watch his half ass effort like last night when he was on for every goal against (or at least it seemed he was )
The two teams I can see with parts for shief if they so choose to go after him would be LA or NYR. LA could do something like Turcotte, Brandt and a pick. Rangers could do Schneider and kakko or something.
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I’m very torn on Sheif trade. I know he can be so much better and I’d love to see him with a new coaching staff and systems. But then on the other hand, I have no patience left to watch his half ass effort like last night when he was on for every goal against (or at least it seemed he was )
The two teams I can see with parts for shief if they so choose to go after him would be LA or NYR. LA could do something like Turcotte, Brandt and a pick. Rangers could do Schneider and kakko or something. - Ross77
Trading Shief for a massive haul and then signing Ryan Strome in the off season for less money or someone similar would be an extremely savvy smart move. Truth is, people and teams far overvalue offensive production over 200’ play and actual net positive to your team winning |
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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I’m very torn on Sheif trade. I know he can be so much better and I’d love to see him with a new coaching staff and systems. But then on the other hand, I have no patience left to watch his half ass effort like last night when he was on for every goal against (or at least it seemed he was )
The two teams I can see with parts for shief if they so choose to go after him would be LA or NYR. LA could do something like Turcotte, Brandt and a pick. Rangers could do Schneider and kakko or something. - Ross77
Scheif and Wheeler are pretty symbiotic so you would pretty much have to clean house and trade them both. I can't see that happening so I think its pretty remote that we see Scheif traded this season. If the Jets are not playoff contenders next season then it would be a good time to trade him. I also note that Kadri is a UFA at seasons end but will be very expensive. |
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The available D at the trade deadline might be any of Giordano ( Kraken) Stralman and Chychrun (Arizona) , J Shultz ( Ottawa) , Dillon ( Wpg) , Lindholm and Manson ( Ducks) Chariot ( Mtl ) , Leddy , Dekeyser, Stall ( Wings) , De Haan (Hawks) , Ritso and Braun ( Flyers)
So lots of available talent who are ALL UFA's at season end on teams that most likely will not make the playoffs. Getting rid of Nat Schmidt with his contract and term in a tight cap market is not an option. He will remain a Jet. If you see any Jets departing it is most likely to be Copp ( 1st and prospect or 3rd pick ), Statsny ( 2nd and 5th ) , Dillon ( 2nd and 4th), and Beaulieu ( 5th ) with an outside chance at DeMelo ( 2nd and 5th).
If Scheif were traded he would be worth quite a lot considering his talent and low cap . He could be a huge asset for a team with a strong D and enough to win the right team a Cup but most of those teams are deep at center or don't have the right assets to give up short of some serious draft picks. I don't think the right trade is out there and he will remain a Jet. - jetsnation
Actually Chychrun is signed for three more years at $4.6. Would be great to get him even though he is LH. Doubt it will happen though as think we would get outbid by cup contender - probably Leafs.
Schmidt has a good contract, but not a favorite of mine. Don't ever think we will win The Cup with him as 2nd pairing. However, new coach, new system - and who knows?
But to improve the D we need to deal for upgrades. Your top FA's are going to look towards the sunny south/big markets.
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Scheif and Wheeler are pretty symbiotic so you would pretty much have to clean house and trade them both. I can't see that happening so I think its pretty remote that we see Scheif traded this season. If the Jets are not playoff contenders next season then it would be a good time to trade him. I also not that Kadri is a UFA at seasons end but will be very expensive. - jetsnation
At Kadri’s age, I can not see his next deal
Being a good one!! Buyer beware!!!! |
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i dont see trading any or all of Stasny, Copp, Dillan as us giving up. Perfetti, Ehlers and Gustafson will all be back or can play at some point up front and Heinola, and Samberg can step in on the back end as well as others. Obviously shief would be a big move. i am very, VERY!! curious to see what a new coach and syste,s could do with shief but their needs to be a shift in this being him and wheels team where those two play more then anyone else.
as for your trades, id love to get Schneider!! Bryan Little is not cleared yet so that one confuses me, i dont know those guys in Vegas well so cant weigh in and of Sillinger would be huge but he is like our Perfetti, no way he's moved. - Ross77
Little’s contract is costing the Jets some cash but is worth 5m per year in cap space for a team that needs it. If Jets reduce payroll at the deadline then little’s cap space means nothing to the Jets. Not sure what 3 years of 5 million cap space is worth in a trade, thats why I suggested a 2nd round pick or prospect. That might be low ask.
Keegan Kolesar is a Winnipeg kid about the same age as vesalainen and both are in need of a fresh start. |
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Little’s contract is costing the Jets some cash but is worth 5m per year in cap space for a team that needs it. If Jets reduce payroll at the deadline then little’s cap space means nothing to the Jets. Not sure what 3 years of 5 million cap space is worth in a trade, thats why I suggested a 2nd round pick or prospect. That might be low ask.
Keegan Kolesar is a Winnipeg kid about the same age as vesalainen and both are in need of a fresh start. - 2.0
LTIR deals are very hard to gauge. Best scenario I could compare this to is Seabrook to Tampa for Johnson and a 2nd. Tyler Johnson had little to no value cause if the cap hit. With the Jets not having much cap room it would be interesting to see what they can get back. Maybe a 3rd and a C or B level prospect. Not a ton, but if they can get anything for the contract, why not |
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LTIR deals are very hard to gauge. Best scenario I could compare this to is Seabrook to Tampa for Johnson and a 2nd. Tyler Johnson had little to no value cause if the cap hit. With the Jets not having much cap room it would be interesting to see what they can get back. Maybe a 3rd and a C or B level prospect. Not a ton, but if they can get anything for the contract, why not - Jacob Billington
But if the Jets are at the cap or maybe want to go slightly over it, isn't it an advantage for the Jets to keep Little? |
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But if the Jets are at the cap or maybe want to go slightly over it, isn't it an advantage for the Jets to keep Little? - grahamzky
Sure, if the plan is to keep many of the big contracts they have. My apologies, should have been more clear. This is under the assumption the Jets are selling, and will be clearing out cap space (Copp, Stastny, Schmidt, Dillon etc)
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At Kadri’s age, I can not see his next deal
Being a good one!! Buyer beware!!!! - Ross77
He is going to be cashing in on this season. At 31, having a career year, that is 95% likely to ever be sniffed by him again, he will be looking for term at his age, and using this season as a ton of leverage on the dollar value. He is likely looking at 5 years in the $8m+ range. Kadri is a great asset, and this year would be certainly worth that deal. He won't be able to keep this up. Although one key thing to look at, is that most of his TOI is with Burakovsky and Nichushkin. Not necessarily super high end guys carrying the line or anything
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Sure, if the plan is to keep many of the big contracts they have. My apologies, should have been more clear. This is under the assumption the Jets are selling, and will be clearing out cap space (Copp, Stastny, Schmidt, Dillon etc) - Jacob Billington
Yes they may get rid of a few big contracts, but they need to re-sign PLD - and hopefully a top-flight d-man. The salary cap seems to be an advantage to teams.
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Yes they may get rid of a few big contracts, but they need to re-sign PLD - and hopefully a top-flight d-man. The salary cap seems to be an advantage to teams.
But I don't really understand 100% about the cap, so maybe not. - grahamzky
It is extremely confusing haha. But the Jets are about $7m over the cap right now, with $11.2 in LTIR relief. So is Ehlers and Little were healthy, the Jets would be about $4.2m under the limit. LTIR relief just extends the limit, so their roster can exceed the $81.5m limit, by the amount that they have on LTIR. Agian, I am with you. Very confusing, but just allows you to make roster moves to maximize your $ amount. Highly reccomend exploring some of the explanations on CapFriendly. Best Cap-related source
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It is extremely confusing haha. But the Jets are about $7m over the cap right now, with $11.2 in LTIR relief. So is Ehlers and Little were healthy, the Jets would be about $4.2m under the limit. LTIR relief just extends the limit, so their roster can exceed the $81.5m limit, by the amount that they have on LTIR. Agian, I am with you. Very confusing, but just allows you to make roster moves to maximize your $ amount. Highly reccomend exploring some of the explanations on CapFriendly. Best Cap-related source - Jacob Billington
Yea use Cap Friendly all the time. Still confusing at times.
Just think that the Jets should keep Little's contract "in the bank" for now. Would like to see then re-sign PLD (what $7.5 or a little less?) and sign/trade for an $8 million d-man! That would eat up the cap space pretty quick. Who the $8 mill d-man is the question.
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