The Flyers have to take advantage of this bad season if they want to significantly improve going forward, and trading at the deadline is a critical step, as is picking in the top 5 of this year's draft. As I posted previously, there is no top-end talent on this team, even if and when Ellis and Couturier come back next season healthy, and there is really nothing in the system that is imminent. The Flyers have as Fletcher states good pieces, including good young pieces under the age of 25, but no top-end talent. You can only go so far with "good pieces". This trade and the draft are two golden opportunities to improve their chances of obtaining a high end player. Fletcher can't blow this!
- jd250

The Flyers have a lot of needs. In my opinion you're placing too much value on this deadline. The best asset the Flyers are likely to get is a late 1st round pick. It could result in a player that is NHL ready next season but odds are it will be for a player that needs some development time. Fletcher has already blown a lot of things.

The Flyers have a lot of needs. In my opinion you're placing too much value on this deadline. The best asset the Flyers are likely to get is a late 1st round pick. It could result in a player that is NHL ready next season but odds are it will be for a player that needs some development time. Fletcher has already blown a lot of things.
- MJL

Regardless of what you think about Fletcher and the moves he has made in the past, as fans we have to hope Fletcher does the right thing, right here and right now, and blows it out of the park this deadline and off season. Getting a late 1st round pick and marginal prospect does NOTHING to move the needle and get this team back into contention. It is the opposite of an "aggressive retool". Giroux is their best asset and they need to maximize that asset if they have any chance in the years ahead. I am rooting hard for Fletcher to succeed and I hope you will also.

The Flyers have to take advantage of this bad season if they want to significantly improve going forward, and trading at the deadline is a critical step, as is picking in the top 5 of this year's draft. As I posted previously, there is no top-end talent on this team, even if and when Ellis and Couturier come back next season healthy, and there is really nothing in the system that is imminent. The Flyers have as Fletcher states good pieces, including good young pieces under the age of 25, but no top-end talent. You can only go so far with "good pieces". This trade and the draft are two golden opportunities to improve their chances of obtaining a high end player. Fletcher can't blow this!
- jd250

The current GM has huge in hand in that being the case.

It comes down to the hear and now. Do either of these teams with an extended G feel like that pushes them over the top? If the answer is yes they will have to give up their 3rd line centers right now, and that is either Newhook or Lundell. You are not going to trade for G and play him down in your lineup. I'm not saying its a lock, all I am saying is if G extends, the Flyers have the ability to ask for a lot more, and frankly I don't think Fletcher wants a late 1st round pick or a marginal prospect. Fletcher wants players that can play now and have a top-end talent ceiling. So if he gets Colorado and Florida in a bidding war for Giroux, who blinks first and gives Fletcher one of these two players? I say its Colorado because of Landeskog's situation.
- jd250

is it possible neither CC or the team want an extension?

Knowing his luck, Allison's hand probably fell off while he was sleeping and they are trying to figure out how to glue a new one on so he can play again. It's just a flesh wound you know....
- jd250

😆
He definitely has talent and looks to be a much needed goal scorer but he always gets injured. His injuries usually take months to heal too.
I hope he finds a way to stay healthy because he would be a fine piece to add and I think he would be a perfect fit next to Frost.

Regardless of what you think about Fletcher and the moves he has made in the past, as fans we have to hope Fletcher does the right thing, right here and right now, and blows it out of the park this deadline and off season. Getting a late 1st round pick and marginal prospect does NOTHING to move the needle and get this team back into contention. It is the opposite of an "aggressive retool". Giroux is their best asset and they need to maximize that asset if they have any chance in the years ahead. I am rooting hard for Fletcher to succeed and I hope you will also.
- jd250

you dont seem to grasp that teams are only offering what you said then the Gm's hands are tied no? Add in the fact the GM has a history of not getting great value in trades.

you also dont account for the fact any assets they do get then use to acquire other pieces.

Knowing his luck, Allison's hand probably fell off while he was sleeping and they are trying to figure out how to glue a new one on so he can play again. It's just a flesh wound you know....
- jd250

What are you going to do?
Bleed all over me?

Regardless of what you think about Fletcher and the moves he has made in the past, as fans we have to hope Fletcher does the right thing, right here and right now, and blows it out of the park this deadline and off season. Getting a late 1st round pick and marginal prospect does NOTHING to move the needle and get this team back into contention. It is the opposite of an "aggressive retool". Giroux is their best asset and they need to maximize that asset if they have any chance in the years ahead. I am rooting hard for Fletcher to succeed and I hope you will also.
- jd250

That's the difference between you and I. I look at things from an informed point of view. You just hope. In order to get back into contention, you have to have actually been in contention at some recent point. Maybe if Fletcher tells Sakic or Zito that he's in a an "aggressive retool". Well then they might say well in that case here is Lundell or Newhook LOL. The question is really what is maximizing the asset. The reason why it's likely that you're going to be disappointed is because you have badly misread the market and you won't move off of that no matter what anyone tells you. If Fletcher gets a 1st and a decent prospect for Giroux, he will have done well.
By the way, you're also incorrect in saying that Giroux is their best asset.

I’m just reading about LW draft prospect Ivan Miroshnichenko being diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma. Basically everyone had this kid going top 10 and quite a few mocks had him going to the Flyers with the 7th or 8th pick. Terrible.

The type he has is the most common and curable so it will be really interesting to see where a talent this high ends up getting drafted. He’s got the Russia factor playing into things as well with everything going on in the world too. Crazy.

I have zero confidence in Cuck Fletcher making a good trade.
I have zero confidence in Cuck making the right FA signing for the right price
And, while I have some confidence in Flahr and his scouts when it comes to the draft, I have zero faith that the Flyers, under Cuck, will properly develop those players to come anywhere close to reaching their potential.

To sum up, I have zero confidence in Cuck’s ability to build a Cup contender. None whatsoever. He is the worst GM in franchise history.

I have zero confidence in Cuck Fletcher making a good trade.
I have zero confidence in Cuck making the right FA signing for the right price
And, while I have some confidence in Flahr and his scouts when it comes to the draft, I have zero faith that the Flyers, under Cuck, will properly develop those players to come anywhere close to reaching their potential.

To sum up, I have zero confidence in Cuck’s ability to build a Cup contender. None whatsoever. He is the worst GM in franchise history.
- BiggE

The meat by product of Cuck's suck is the dysfunctional mess of an organization.

GO HABS GO!
GO HABS GO!
GO HABS GO!



CO CANES !!!

I have zero confidence in Cuck Fletcher making a good trade.
I have zero confidence in Cuck making the right FA signing for the right price
And, while I have some confidence in Flahr and his scouts when it comes to the draft, I have zero faith that the Flyers, under Cuck, will properly develop those players to come anywhere close to reaching their potential.

To sum up, I have zero confidence in Cuck’s ability to build a Cup contender. None whatsoever. He is the worst GM in franchise history.
- BiggE

Pretty much. I've convinced myself they are the new Buffalo or Arizona with him calling the shots. Ristolainen extension was just further proof.

It comes down to the hear and now. Do either of these teams with an extended G feel like that pushes them over the top? If the answer is yes they will have to give up their 3rd line centers right now, and that is either Newhook or Lundell. You are not going to trade for G and play him down in your lineup. I'm not saying its a lock, all I am saying is if G extends, the Flyers have the ability to ask for a lot more, and frankly I don't think Fletcher wants a late 1st round pick or a marginal prospect. Fletcher wants players that can play now and have a top-end talent ceiling. So if he gets Colorado and Florida in a bidding war for Giroux, who blinks first and gives Fletcher one of these two players? I say its Colorado because of Landeskog's situation.
- jd250

Here’s the thing tho… even if philly gets lucky and col/fla give up a newhook or Lundell they are elite players. And just say they get a stud in draft at say 5 probably won’t be elite either.

And getting a coots Ellis back not elite.

And as you see with Edmonton who have probably 2 of top 5 players in league elite isn’t all that’s needed.


You are right if all your magical things happen they’ll be better. Which isn’t really saying much compared to poopshow now. You’d still need multiple high draft years and years to rid of dead weight and bad contracts.

Middling at best for next decade. And that’s if everything goes right… and with this management team what’s the odds?

The simplest solution? GO CANES!!!

Pretty much. I've convinced myself they are the new Buffalo or Arizona with him calling the shots. Ristolainen extension was just further proof.
- Pelle31Forever

This is where I am at

I have zero confidence in Cuck Fletcher making a good trade.
I have zero confidence in Cuck making the right FA signing for the right price
And, while I have some confidence in Flahr and his scouts when it comes to the draft, I have zero faith that the Flyers, under Cuck, will properly develop those players to come anywhere close to reaching their potential.

To sum up, I have zero confidence in Cuck’s ability to build a Cup contender. None whatsoever. He is the worst GM in franchise history.
- BiggE

Has the development process ever been good here? Past 10 years point to absolutely not

That's the difference between you and I. I look at things from an informed point of view. You just hope. In order to get back into contention, you have to have actually been in contention at some recent point. Maybe if Fletcher tells Sakic or Zito that he's in a an "aggressive retool". Well then they might say well in that case here is Lundell or Newhook LOL. The question is really what is maximizing the asset. The reason why it's likely that you're going to be disappointed is because you have badly misread the market and you won't move off of that no matter what anyone tells you. If Fletcher gets a 1st and a decent prospect for Giroux, he will have done well.
By the way, you're also incorrect in saying that Giroux is their best asset.
- MJL

Why do you keep going on and on with him haha

Why do you keep going on and on with him haha
- ClaudeFather

For the comedy and pure entertainment of it.

Has the development process ever been good here? Past 10 years point to absolutely not
- ClaudeFather

Well, it was pretty good in the early to mid 80s, at least among forwards
Propp
Kerr
Sinisalo
Poulin
Tocchet
Zezel
Sutter
Eklund

They also did a decent job in later years with
Renberg
Gagne
Williams
Carter
Richards

And most recently
Giroux

But over the last decade, even among forwards which was their historical strong suit, it’s been mediocre at best.

And don’t even get me started on their work with Dmen. It was so-so at best in their glory years and it’s been pretty much awful since.

But never has it been so bad than the past decade. Just pitiful.

Well, it was pretty good in the early to mid 80s, at least among forwards
Propp
Kerr
Sinisalo
Poulin
Tocchet
Zezel
Sutter
Eklund

They also did a decent job in later years with
Renberg
Gagne
Williams
Carter
Richards

And most recently
Giroux

But over the last decade, even among forwards which was their historical strong suit, it’s been mediocre at best.

And don’t even get me started on their work with Dmen. It was so-so at best in their glory years and it’s been pretty much awful since.

But never has it been so bad than the past decade. Just pitiful.
- BiggE

It has been mediocre at best for 37+ years. Those in bold all high rd picks so they should have some "developmental" success as a more polished product.

what is the track record in rounds 2 + in drafting and devlopment?

On a side note Clarke was putrid his first time around when it came to drafting. Some horrible drafts.

Newhook is supposed to be off the board, but Colorado's biggest weakness seems to be Faceoffs, something Giroux is great at, consistently and for many years now. I think the return will be just fine . When's the last time Philly had a player with his resume and were selling at the deadline like that?

Newhook is supposed to be off the board, but Colorado's biggest weakness seems to be Faceoffs, something Giroux is great at, consistently and for many years now. I think the return will be just fine . When's the last time Philly had a player with his resume and were selling at the deadline like that?
- GPerogie

When is the last time Chuck Fletcher made a good deadline deal?

Newhook is supposed to be off the board, but Colorado's biggest weakness seems to be Faceoffs, something Giroux is great at, consistently and for many years now. I think the return will be just fine . When's the last time Philly had a player with his resume and were selling at the deadline like that?
- GPerogie

The only way Newhook is available would be in a blockbuster with multiple players/teams involved. The Avs are projecting him as a 2C as early as next year. Newhook will be around for a decade and they’re not trading him for any rental. Sakic is savvy so he’ll try to get Giroux for a package with something like Jost, Ranta and Barron. But Philly has some leverage with Colorado being the worst faceoff team in the NHL.

The only way Newhook is available would be in a blockbuster with multiple players/teams involved. The Avs are projecting him as a 2C as early as next year. Newhook will be around for a decade and they’re not trading him for any rental. Sakic is savvy so he’ll try to get Giroux for a package with something like Jost, Ranta and Barron. But Philly has some leverage with Colorado being the worst faceoff team in the NHL.
- Minnyhock

but but he wont be a rental he will sign an ext......

I think Giroux is going, and I hope so as well. I do believe its between Colorado and Florida, but I don't believe either team is interested in giving up assets for a rental so I think it will come down to which team Giroux wants to extend with. The good news for the Flyers is if Giroux extends, the return they will get for him will be much greater. I still say the Flyers should be asking for either Newhook or Lundell if in fact Giroux extends. Think about it, if this did happen and the Flyers got one of these players, plus add a top 5 pick in draft this offseason, rid themselves of JVR and get back a healthy Ellis and Couts next year, this will be a significantly better team really fast.
- jd250

They aren't getting Lundell or Newhook that's a pipedream. Dont see either of those 2 teams extending Giroux if they trade for him as neither of those teams really need him. Giroux is going to get at least 5M for 3 yrs where ever he signs and those teams wont be tying up that Cap space on him. if G doesnt open it up to teams that could really use him Boston..Rangers and few more the return is going to be disappointing