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Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 6:33 PM ET
Dadonov was happy to sign the best contract available, with Ottawa likely offering much more money than other teams. After signing with Ottawa, he perhaps did not want to go to a high tax jurisdiction or has other reasons for not wanting to go to Anaheim.

It's unfortunate for Dadonov. He has done nothing wrong and most certainly does not deserve this poop show. It's not a good situation having to play for a team that no longer wants him and having that publicly known.

- SensFan25


Did anyone read the tweet by Vegas on their official account?! Agreed on Dadonov, he did nothing wrong here. But again, Ottawa probably had to give him an extra year to get him to sign here like they with Gonchar and Kovalev back in the day.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Mar 23 @ 6:41 PM ET
Vegas can still technically trade Dadonov. This is something they will pursue regardless of the outcome of the mess this has created.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 6:48 PM ET
Vegas can still technically trade Dadonov. This is something they will pursue regardless of the outcome of the mess this has created.
- HoweHatrick

correct its just players traded after the deadline cannot play in the playoffs, so Vegas can still trade him to a non-playoff team
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 6:52 PM ET
This was a quote from the article posted when AZ lost their 2 picks.

Bettman decided to use his powers to take away draft picks rather than impose a fine of $250,000 or more “given the specific circumstances of this case.” The NHL Constitution gives him the ability to deprive a team of draft picks if conduct is found to affect the competitive aspects of the game.

The league opted not to discipline any individual members of the organization involved in the situation because Bettman believes it was gross negligence rather than intentional wrongdoing

- Kevin Francis



key distinction here, if Dorion intentionally lied or deceived Vegas when he traded Dadonov, the Hammer will come down much...MUCH harder on OTT than it did on ARI
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 6:54 PM ET
Vegas can still technically trade Dadonov. This is something they will pursue regardless of the outcome of the mess this has created.
- HoweHatrick


Yes exactly, I have been talking about that on Twitter. They'll get a team to help them!1
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 6:56 PM ET
key distinction here, if Dorion intentionally lied or deceived Vegas when he traded Dadonov, the Hammer will come down much...MUCH harder on OTT than it did on ARI
- Mithos


Beyond agreed, couldn't have said it any better. If he lied, he will also be fired with cause, meaning Eugene wouldn't have to pay PD and we all know how Eugene hates paying people that aren't in the org then Pierre McGuire would slide into the GM's chair, no brainer as they say.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 23 @ 7:18 PM ET
Yes exactly, I have been talking about that on Twitter. They'll get a team to help them!1
- Kevin Francis


Watch it be Ottawa, trying to smooth things over and hope nothing comes of this. This is not good at all.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:18 PM ET
For the remaining RFAs/UFAs, I think the following outcomes could happen:

Chris Tierney - Walk to UFA, use cap space to sign 3rd line forward

Dylan Gambrell - Ditto, promote from within (Kastellic)

Tyler Ennis - Walk to UFA.

Adam Gaudette - Walk to UFA.

Mathieu Joseph - Re-signed for 3 years @ 1.9M .

Alex Formenton - Re-signed 4 years $3.6M

Josh Norris - Re-signed to seven year $7.5M contract.

Colin White - Traded during the off-season.

Defense -

Victor Mete - Walk to FA.

Erik Brannstrom - Re-signed for 3 years at $2.9M

Michael Del Zotto - Traded for low level pick on day 2 of the draft (6th rounder)

Dylan Heatherington - Re-signed 1 year, 2-way contract.

Nikita Zaitsev - Traded with White

Goaltenders -

Matt Murray - Bought out

Off-season moves:

To ARI: C White, N Zaitsev, 3rd rounder 2023
To OTT: Shayne Gostisbehere

Sign: Vincent Trochek (3year @ $6M), Rickard Rakell (3 year @ 5.1) and John Klingberg (5 years @ 6.3)

Opening day lineup:

Tkachuk (8.3)-Norris (7.5)-Batherson (5.0)
Trochek (6.0)-Stutzle (0.9)-Rakell (5.1)
Brown (3.6)-Pinto (0.9)-Formenton (3.6)
Watson (1.5)-Kastellic (0.8)-Joseph (1.9)
Ex: Greig, Kelly, Sokolov

Chabot (8.0) - Zub (2.5)
Klingberg (6.3)-Gostisbehere (4.5)
Brannstrom (2.9)-Holden (1.3)
Ex: Sanderson, Thomson, JBD, Heatherington

Forsberg (2.8)
Gustavsson (0.8)

Total Cap Hit: $74.2M

Buyouts and other nonsense penalties (Murray @3.13, Phaneuf @$0.35 and Bobby Ryan @ 1.83 cap penalties and cap hits of any call ups): $5.7M

Total: $79.9M

Even just adding one of the UFA forwards makes this a much more dangerous lineup with some decent depth next year.

A fan can dream....I would pay higher ticket prices for that kind of lineup...

- Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuub


Love the passion, great post! Like you said, we can all dream. The problem is that Stutzle, Pinto and Sanderson are all due raises off their ELC in the next 2 plus years or so, so tying up some of the dollars with big ticket older players wouldn't help the Sens long term. I would love Rakell in the top 6 of the Sens forwards. Again, great post.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:19 PM ET
Watch it be Ottawa, trying to smooth things over and hope nothing comes of this. This is not good at all.
- Bartacus


Send Murray's LTIR contract back in return lol. But I hear ya, it better not be them! Mind you PD told us all last July they would spend the 5 million saved on a top 6 forward and it never happened, so that money still hasn't been spent, what better way to spend it than to bring back Dadonov lol.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:20 PM ET
With Tarasenko and Thomas out for STL, there is a chance now that Logan Brown might get in those 8 games before the end of the season and then Ottawa gets back that 4th round pick.
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: TERRACE LANCO, CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Mar 23 @ 7:20 PM ET
This. How is it that all of this occurs behind the closed doors of a team? Are they worried about those lists getting leaked? Is this a negotiated thing that the NHLPA wanted?

If Ottawa told Vegas that Dadonov hadn't filed his 10 team list, thereby voiding it, it would have increased the player's appeal as a trade chip. I certainly hope they record these important calls because it sounds like there is nothing in writing. It's all very circumspect in an era where these things can very easily be recorded.

In the end I feel for the player. What a crap situation to be dragged into after following all the rules. Now to be considered an albatross on his own team. It's just awful.

- Bartacus


Can you imagine? The Ducks have a grievance, too, for missing out on that 2nd and other consideration. If they can prove they had another deal in place but went with the VGK deal instead, then they have a viable claim, too.

Just a mess.

Just throwing this out there: if OTT was found to have concealed this, what if Melnyk was somehow involved?
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 23 @ 7:20 PM ET
Love the passion, great post! Like you said, we can all dream. The problem is that Stutzle, Pinto and Sanderson are all due raises off their ELC in the next 2 plus years or so, so tying up some of the dollars with big ticket older players wouldn't help the Sens long term. I would love Rakell in the top 6 of the Sens forwards. Again, great post.
- Kevin Francis


Agreed, excellent thorough post. Except paying Brannstrom 2.9M. Don't think that'll happen.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:26 PM ET
Can you imagine? The Ducks have a grievance, too, for missing out on that 2nd and other consideration. If they can prove they had another deal in place but went with the VGK deal instead, then they have a viable claim, too.

Just a mess.

Just throwing this out there: if OTT was found to have concealed this, what if Melnyk was somehow involved?

- Only_A_Ladd


Extremely doubtful Eugene would be involved in a trade call let alone him Ottawa, lol, he's never here, so very doubtful.

But you raise a great point, what if Anaheim can make a viable claim about this mess and that they missed out on a deal. Great stuff!
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 23 @ 7:31 PM ET
Nobody is gleeful that Ottawa might lose their pick, dude seriously! Its the absolute opposite, like anyone on here wants Ottawa to lose their top 5 pick. Man, you truly have taken this to the next level in assuming this.

People are definitely hoping that this might mean the end to Dorion as GM though due to his negligence. That is definitely the tone on here with fans.

- Kevin Francis

Is spatso making this a "would you rather"?

If I had the choice, keep the 1st rounder over having to fire Dorion.

However, if you lose the 1st rounder, you have to fire Dorion and everyone involved in the Dadanov trade. Not sure how one would justify not doing that?

The whole thing is a black eye. Not worth trying to rile fans more about alleged schemes to get Dorion out. He's doing it himself if some of the speculation is in fact true. We shall see what unfolds over the next few days.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:31 PM ET
This was tweeted by Andy Strickland an hour ago.

In terms of where the finger should be pointed in the Evgenii Dadonov case, league sources say the blame rests on the shoulders of the Ottawa Senators.

Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: TERRACE LANCO, CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Mar 23 @ 7:33 PM ET
Extremely doubtful Eugene would be involved in a trade call let alone him Ottawa, lol, he's never here, so very doubtful.

But you raise a great point, what if Anaheim can make a viable claim about this mess and that they missed out on a deal. Great stuff!

- Kevin Francis


I'm just trying to find a bright spot for you guys. League forces him out, etc. Make lemonade!
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 23 @ 7:34 PM ET
This was tweeted by Andy Strickland an hour ago.

In terms of where the finger should be pointed in the Evgenii Dadonov case, league sources say the blame rests on the shoulders of the Ottawa Senators.

- Kevin Francis

Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:35 PM ET
Is spatso making this a "would you rather"?

If I had the choice, keep the 1st rounder over having to fire Dorion.

However, if you lose the 1st rounder, you have to fire Dorion and everyone involved in the Dadanov trade. Not sure how one would justify not doing that?

The whole thing is a black eye. Not worth trying to rile fans more about alleged schemes to get Dorion out. He's doing it himself if some of the speculation is in fact true. We shall see what unfolds over the next few days.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


He contradicted himself, whatever, honestly! He is so out of touch on this. It is what it is as they say. Take a look at what Andy Strickland tweeted and it says it all! No wonder Sens fans are panicking thinking they will get the AZ Coyotes treatment from 2 years ago.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:35 PM ET
I'm just trying to find a bright spot for you guys. League forces him out, etc. Make lemonade!
- Only_A_Ladd


Well that would be found GOLD as they say lol! But thanks my friend.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:37 PM ET
I'm just trying to find a bright spot for you guys. League forces him out, etc. Make lemonade!
- Only_A_Ladd


It would be wonderful if they could but I don't think they will on this one unless he truly was in on the trade call.


Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 23 @ 7:42 PM ET
This was tweeted by Andy Strickland an hour ago.

In terms of where the finger should be pointed in the Evgenii Dadonov case, league sources say the blame rests on the shoulders of the Ottawa Senators.

- Kevin Francis


Friedman said it on his podcast - why did the league central registry approve the trade? They sit on the calls and are pretty thorough, they must have believed something we now know to be untrue (that Dadonov's list hadn't been filed properly) to be true. Which means there was a third party not affiliated with either organization that thought the trade could be green lit, without having the list, which means somebody - a third party - probably heard it firsthand.

Could Vegas have simply called the player's agent to get that list? Sure. But they made the trade while being assured by another GM that it was invalidated.
Poor oversight not double checking, absolutely. But if there was misrepresentation here, this could sting pretty bad. Dorion can't even say the list went to junkmail or got screened as spam - we now know they have confirmation it was submitted June 30 AND the agent got a confirmation receipt from the Sens.

Sigh. And things were looking up.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:51 PM ET
Friedman said it on his podcast - why did the league central registry approve the trade? They sit on the calls and are pretty thorough, they must have believed something we now know to be untrue (that Dadonov's list hadn't been filed properly) to be true. Which means there was a third party not affiliated with either organization that thought the trade could be green lit, without having the list, which means somebody - a third party - probably heard it firsthand.

Could Vegas have simply called the player's agent to get that list? Sure. But they made the trade while being assured by another GM that it was invalidated.
Poor oversight not double checking, absolutely. But if there was misrepresentation here, this could sting pretty bad. Dorion can't even say the list went to junkmail or got screened as spam - we now know they have confirmation it was submitted June 30 AND the agent got a confirmation receipt from the Sens.

Sigh. And things were looking up.

- Bartacus


The ramifications will be massive, it's awful for this fanbase to have to endure this crap , constant incompetence. Every finger is being pointed at PD, it could cost him job when all is said and done. Twitter is going off on PD but also dragging Ottawa through the mud again, like 2 years ago when all that crap that was going on off the ice with Eugene and the front office firings, etc....this all has to stop you would hope at some point but the Sens find new ways to look foolish to the rest of the league!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 7:51 PM ET
Friedman said it on his podcast - why did the league central registry approve the trade? They sit on the calls and are pretty thorough, they must have believed something we now know to be untrue (that Dadonov's list hadn't been filed properly) to be true. Which means there was a third party not affiliated with either organization that thought the trade could be green lit, without having the list, which means somebody - a third party - probably heard it firsthand.

Could Vegas have simply called the player's agent to get that list? Sure. But they made the trade while being assured by another GM that it was invalidated.
Poor oversight not double checking, absolutely. But if there was misrepresentation here, this could sting pretty bad. Dorion can't even say the list went to junkmail or got screened as spam - we now know they have confirmation it was submitted June 30 AND the agent got a confirmation receipt from the Sens.

Sigh. And things were looking up.

- Bartacus


The ramifications will be massive, it's awful for this fanbase to have to endure this crap , constant incompetence. Every finger is being pointed at PD, it could cost him job when all is said and done. Twitter is going off on PD but also dragging Ottawa through the mud again, like 2 years ago when all that crap that was going on off the ice with Eugene and the front office firings, etc....this all has to stop you would hope at some point but the Sens find new ways to look foolish to the rest of the league!
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 8:06 PM ET
if there is a tweet or email or any documentation that shows melnyk telling PD not to tell Vegas about Dadonovs NTC list to facilitate the trade, the league will 100% force him to sell the team or just take the team from him and sell it themselves.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 8:08 PM ET
if there is a tweet or email or any documentation that shows melnyk telling PD not to tell Vegas about Dadonovs NTC list to facilitate the trade, the league will 100% force him to sell the team or just take the team from him and sell it themselves.
- Mithos


Yes very true, but doubtful he did. As much as I would love that and as much as many on here hate EM, I just don't see EM having done that. This one is on PD from all that is out there today.
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