If Risto is so offensively inept then how did he pull off 4 x 40?
- Joe Nardone

A lot of secondary assists and playing virtually half the game.

And for the record, I didn't say he was offensively inept. I said he was mediocre offensively. Most of the ineptitude is on the defensive side

why do people care what happens if a player is moved and if said players isn't getting the job done on the flyers?
- hello it's me 2050

Probably the most lucid thing I’ve read here in a while

What’s the situation?
- Joe Nardone

Go look and you tell me.

Somehow that makes you feel better?

Other flyers say Makar. Either way Hexy is the biggest reason why we are bytching about the flyers d right now and that draft pick set the franchise back. His stubbornness set it back.

Think about it:
Myers
Haag
Ghost
Prov
Sanheim
Morin

We are left w a decent, barely good Sanheim and a regressing Prov. That’s it.
- Joe Nardone

You come across as an angry Richard. So this is my last response to you. Putting all that on Hextall is BS. First, Morin, was a reach by Holmgren not Hextall. Hagg was a Holmgren pick as well and was never thought of as more than a 3rd pairing defensemen. Ghost was a Holmgren pick and is quite a serviceable NHL defensemen.

Provy has proven how good he can be, his issue has been the last couple of years.... I blame Hextall on him because Hextall always preached patience but threw Provy out there to be a #1 defensemen without having a solid veteran to lean on and help him grow.

Myers was undrafted, showed potential but hasn't lived up to it.

Flyers will regret when they trade Sanheim.

A lot of secondary assists and playing virtually half the game.

And for the record, I didn't say he was offensively inept. I said he was mediocre offensively. Most of the ineptitude is on the defensive side



- Tomahawk

lots of pp time. He has some skill to say otherwise is silly.

This team has always sucked at identifying, developing and nurturing dmen.

Even if they had drafted Miro or Makar, they would have (frank)ed them up like they've done to Provy and Ghost.

And Sanheim's doing pretty good this year. "Barely good" is a bit of a clueless statement. But he's probably about to be a cap casualty this summer because Fletch is dumb.
- Tomahawk

I figured as soon as they signed him right up to his UFA years, they didn't plan on keeping him. Hopefully they've changed their minds, but if they have, it will be at the expense of Provorov, who I have no doubt will succeed elsewhere.

A lot of secondary assists and playing virtually half the game.
- Tomahawk

Yes, we have heard that before. So I can find other dmen in similar situations w 4 x 40?

Maybe they are out there..

It’s an opinion. I would not refer to yours as clueless.

Is this a place to discuss hockey or get insulted?

I’ve played and attended probably over 1000 games. Don’t consider myself Keith Allen, but I think I know a thing or two about a thing or two, but go ahead and insult away if that’s your deal.
- Joe Nardone

realistically it's both

You come across as an angry Richard. So this is my last response to you. Putting all that on Hextall is BS. First, Morin, was a reach by Holmgren not Hextall. Hagg was a Holmgren pick as well and was never thought of as more than a 3rd pairing defensemen. Ghost was a Holmgren pick and is quite a serviceable NHL defensemen.

Provy has proven how good he can be, his issue has been the last couple of years.... I blame Hextall on him because Hextall always preached patience but threw Provy out there to be a #1 defensemen without having a solid veteran to lean on and help him grow.

Myers was undrafted, showed potential but hasn't lived up to it.

Flyers will regret when they trade Sanheim.
- FlyerFan16

Angry cause Hexy could neither draft nor groom dmen?

Then he gets a chance to draft a game changer on d and shuts the door on guidance from the same guys who actually go out and scout players in person.

Think I’m kind of a jolly guy, but not afraid to call out our current or past GM. Both of whom are pretty avg.

Tough place to disagree here..

realistically it's both



- 2Real

It was a rhetorical question but true either way
I’d agree

It was a rhetorical question but true either way
I’d agree
- Joe Nardone

i know i was just feeling out of the loop on many of the conversations today

https://www.hockeywildern...ext-gm-flahr-fenton-dubas

very interesting read

Angry cause Hexy could neither draft nor groom dmen?

Then he gets a chance to draft a game changer on d and shuts the door on guidance from the same guys who actually go out and scout players in person.

Think I’m kind of a jolly guy, but not afraid to call out our current or past GM. Both of whom are pretty avg.

Tough place to disagree here..
- Joe Nardone

also think about how many years a misstep like that sets us back

https://www.hockeywilderness.com/2018/4/23/17271710/minnesota-wild-chuck-fletcher-out-as-general-manager-fired-craig-leipold-next-gm-flahr-fenton-dubas

very interesting read
- hello it's me 2050

i just hope fletcher realizes there's no short term fixes here

i just hope fletcher realizes there's no short term fixes here
- 2Real

he is a yes man. He has no spine. He will do as he is told, which in turn will lead to the schitty job he is currently doing.

he is a yes man. He has no spine. He will do as he is told, which in turn will lead to the schitty job he is currently doing.
- hello it's me 2050

well we just saw what happened when you have yes men up the chain in russia's military

Yes, we have heard that before. So I can find other dmen in similar situations w 4 x 40?

Maybe they are out there..
- Joe Nardone

Seth Jones, Jack Johnson, and Dion Phaneuf come to mind. All guys who shouldn't have been playing #1 mins scoring 40+ in multiple seasons on some pretty bad teams.

well we just saw what happened when you have yes men up the chain in russia's military
- 2Real

another senseless war, who cares

he is a yes man. He has no spine. He will do as he is told, which in turn will lead to the schitty job he is currently doing.
- hello it's me 2050

In your opinion, who is telling Fletch what to do?

Why are you moving posts from one thread to another?

As for the rest, all I have to say is. Flip-flop flip-flop.
- MJL

Show me one part of what I said here as a flip-flop .. just one!

Translation. Ellis will never be the same.
- MJL

That is one very negative point of view, but it has merit in that if the Flyers thought surgery would completely correct the problem, Ellis would have had it by now.

In your opinion, who is telling Fletch what to do?
- FlyerFan16

His boss, Dave Scot, has given him a directive.

another senseless war, who cares
- hello it's me 2050

that wasn't the point but whatever

In your opinion, who is telling Fletch what to do?
- FlyerFan16

not the fans

Why are you moving posts from one thread to another?

As for the rest, all I have to say is. Flip-flop flip-flop.
- MJL