Hamilton still scares me a Sabres home destination.

0 coincidence with the heritage game

Gotta think bettman / nhl would love to have 8 Canadian teams. Currently at 7 I believe?

The pandemic woke up some geography questions.
Especially an all Canadian division if necessary
- Boss34

Arizona moving would make more sense
Florida as well

You think it will be a new one and not an upgrade?

Where do you think they stick it?

When do you think that’s announced?
- Gr8daygo

Cannot be upgraded. Needs to be new.

The Perry Projects are, I think, 80% empty and PSE has been buying in that neighborhood for years. This is not a short term scheme.

This entire conversation is purely speculative. My original point is that if the Pegulas put up a For Sale sign on the Buffalo Sabres, it would be open season. Ron Raccuia's answer to Adam Benigni's question today about any PSE properties being for sale is nothing more than the strategy of "deny, deny, deny".
- buffalofan19

Yes, this 100%

Sale = instability appearance = bad business approach

Most teams sell before the general public even realized the team was for sale. Seams that way , maybe not?

Cannot be upgraded. Needs to be new.

The Perry Projects are, I think, 80% empty and PSE has been buying in that neighborhood for years. This is not a short term scheme.
- lacaprup

They just agreed to extend and build an entrance off the subway to the 2nd floor.
The old terminal....

I could see the Sabres playing their home games for a season at the new ralph/ the kim in OP.
Building in the same location as current....

Hamilton still scares me a Sabres home destination.

0 coincidence with the heritage game

Gotta think bettman / nhl would love to have 8 Canadian teams. Currently at 7 I believe?

The pandemic woke up some geography questions.
Especially an all Canadian division if necessary
- Boss34

The Leafs will never allow it.

Ever.

I can't really think of a better hockey market that the Sabres could move to. I think you guys are safe.

Yes, this 100%

Sale = instability appearance = bad business approach

Most teams sell before the general public even realized the team was for sale. Seams that way , maybe not?
- Boss34

As soon as one of the many rumor sources choose to reveal themselves as to the source who claims the team was for sale I might put a single ounce of credibility into that rumor. I don't really hang out with many billionaires who could purchase the Sabres; whereas, I certainly met people who have hung out with Jack and could believe rumors about him ( Though I still honestly don't know he was a coke head.)

Arizona moving would make more sense
Florida as well
- jdfitz77

The numbers don't support this


https://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

Cannot be upgraded. Needs to be new.

The Perry Projects are, I think, 80% empty and PSE has been buying in that neighborhood for years. This is not a short term scheme.
- lacaprup

In order for Key Bank Center to be renovated, it would have to essentially be gutted, leaving the Sabres with nowhere locally to play. I guess they could do it in phases like they did with MSG, but for a building like that, which everyone hates anyway, it probably isn't worth it. It's a shame it won't be built before the NCAA Basketball Tournament returns here in 2026. It's amazing to think that building will be 30 years old by then.

The numbers don't support this


https://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance
- washedup20

1 season of attendance numbers doesn’t change the facts that Arizona & Florida have been largely unsuccessful franchises
What’s the ARZ attendance gonna be like next year when they’re playing at Arizona state??

Sabres aren’t going anywhere

1 season of attendance numbers doesn’t change the facts that Arizona & Florida have been largely unsuccessful franchises
What’s the ARZ attendance gonna be like next year when they’re playing at Arizona state??

Sabres aren’t going anywhere
- jdfitz77

Which of the 3 teams hasn’t made the playoffs in 12 seasons?

Florida - 21’
Arizona - 20’

You’re argument doesn’t hold swell

The Leafs will never allow it.

Ever.

I can't really think of a better hockey market that the Sabres could move to. I think you guys are safe.
- Atomic Wedgie

isn't that area about the only viable option population wise for Canada to get another team? Milwaukee might be an option in the USA? i can't see them doing another southern team with the continued failures they had in Atlanta and how Arizona is going.. And lets be honest if Florida wasn't winning they would be at the bottom of the league for attendance again

Which of the 3 teams hasn’t made the playoffs in 12 seasons?

Florida - 21’
Arizona - 20’

You’re argument doesn’t hold swell
- washedup20

Look at years past in attendance, since that’s the metric you used
It’s not even close

Florida & Arizona in the bottom5 yearly

The Sabres aren’t going anywhere

In order for Key Bank Center to be renovated, it would have to essentially be gutted, leaving the Sabres with nowhere locally to play. I guess they could do it in phases like they did with MSG, but for a building like that, which everyone hates anyway, it probably isn't worth it. It's a shame it won't be built before the NCAA Basketball Tournament returns here in 2026. It's amazing to think that building will be 30 years old by then.
- buffalofan19

they could pull an Arizona and play a season in Rochester or at UB

isn't that area about the only viable option population wise for Canada to get another team? Milwaukee might be an option in the USA? i can't see them doing another southern team with the continued failures they had in Atlanta and how Arizona is going.. And lets be honest if Florida wasn't winning they would be at the bottom of the league for attendance again
- SabresFaninIndiana

I'd like to think Florida hockey has seen the worm turn. Tampa is a legit market and has been for a long time. I also think Carolina and Nashville are legit markets. Having 4 legit South East markets is a big deal for the future of the NHL. The success in the SE has made Bettman believe he can do it in AZ, especially with success in Dallas, Vegas, and San Jose

Look at years past in attendance, since that’s the metric you used
It’s not even close

Florida & Arizona in the bottom5 yearly

The Sabres aren’t going anywhere
- jdfitz77

Major decisions are not based on one metric. You know this dude, 2 out of those 3 cities are rapidly growing and expanding, look it up.

I'd like to think Florida hockey has seen the worm turn. Tampa is a legit market and has been for a long time. I also think Carolina and Nashville are legit markets. Having 4 legit South East markets is a big deal for the future of the NHL. The success in the SE has made Bettman believe he can do it in AZ, especially with success in Dallas, Vegas, and San Jose
- lacaprup

success in those three markets has been greatly helped by having a good team there..

Major decisions are not based on one metric. You know this dude, 2 out of those 3 cities are rapidly growing and expanding, look it up.
- washedup20

Doesn’t mean attendance is growing
Phoenix has been growing for a long time,
yet attendance there almost always blows

Same with Miami/S.Florida

And attendance was the metric that YOU brought up dude
Take the L
Sabres aren’t moving

We were going to spend billions upgrading the infrastructure of an area where there is currently no demand? Where is this plan?
- Slump Buster

as soopsed to spending billions with zero infrastruture improvements in the gohst town that is OP.

I'm an 8 minute walk to ECC. Its a legit nothingtown 365 days a year. The stadium better come with some sort of plan for food/Drinks/things to do outside of park and drink a crap ton of beer as fast as possible.

isn't that area about the only viable option population wise for Canada to get another team? Milwaukee might be an option in the USA? i can't see them doing another southern team with the continued failures they had in Atlanta and how Arizona is going.. And lets be honest if Florida wasn't winning they would be at the bottom of the league for attendance again
- SabresFaninIndiana

The Greater Golden Horseshoe (think Greater Greater Toronto Area) could probably support three teams.

But alas, the Leafs would never allow it - which would never make sense to them from an economic standpoint.

One caveat: there's now a theory out there that you could see MLSE split - the team is currently owned by two competing media companies (Bell and Rogers). So they agree that one company keeps the Leafs, one company gets a new franchise in Toronto. It's not the wackiest idea I've ever heard - hell, the wackiest idea I've ever heard is that two rival media companies would team up to buy the Leafs.

As for the Panthers, based upon my one visit there over 10 years ago, I'd say the number one problem of that franchise is their arena location.

Look at years past in attendance, since that’s the metric you used
It’s not even close

Florida & Arizona in the bottom5 yearly

The Sabres aren’t going anywhere
- jdfitz77

Attendance figures mean absolutely nothing without looking at ticket costs.

Revenues are the true metric we need to use.

The Greater Golden Horseshoe (think Greater Greater Toronto Area) could probably support three teams.

But alas, the Leafs would never allow it - which would never make sense to them from an economic standpoint.

One caveat: there's now a theory out there that you could see MLSE split - the team is currently owned by two competing media companies (Bell and Rogers). So they agree that one company keeps the Leafs, one company gets a new franchise in Toronto. It's not the wackiest idea I've ever heard - hell, the wackiest idea I've ever heard is that two rival media companies would team up to buy the Leafs.

As for the Panthers, based upon my one visit there over 10 years ago, I'd say the number one problem of that franchise is their arena location.
- Atomic Wedgie

Dolphins & Marlins have struggled in Miami as well
Weird, but true

Attendance figures mean absolutely nothing without looking at ticket costs.

Revenues are the true metric we need to use.
- Atomic Wedgie

I’m not the one who brought up attendance as a metric to use
Was just playing his game, & beating him at it

So is the deal that it will be built right next to the existing stadium?

Sorry, I don't have a Buffalo News subscription.

I’m not the one who brought up attendance as a metric to use
Was just playing his game, & beating him at it
- jdfitz77

You have provided no metrics, just rambling.

I’m not the one who brought up attendance as a metric to use
Was just playing his game, & beating him at it
- jdfitz77

I was agreeing with you - and taking it further.