I was agreeing with you - and taking it further.
- Atomic Wedgie

How fitting a toronto fan and fitz seeing eye to eye.

So is the deal that it will be built right next to the existing stadium?

Sorry, I don't have a Buffalo News subscription.
- Atomic Wedgie

allegedly.

It remains to be seen where teh stadium actually goes.

I think it will be more inland to where the college campus sits currently (IF you know the area) to get parking 360 degrees around the stadium

So is the deal that it will be built right next to the existing stadium?

Sorry, I don't have a Buffalo News subscription.
- Atomic Wedgie

https://www.wgrz.com/amp/...9a-4cd3-a762-0aeffd68911c

You have provided no metrics, just rambling.
- washedup20

The one metric u provided is hideously laughable,
as per usual

The L is yours
Have a great day

Dolphins & Marlins have struggled in Miami as well
Weird, but true
- jdfitz77

I'm wondering if we are finally seeing a shift in sports fan behaviour - with less and less people wanting to attend the game in person.

With TV coverage getting better and better, everyone and their neighbour now having a 65 inch HD TV they bought for $399 at Walmart or Costco, and the now redonkulous costs of attending a game (tix plus transportation plus food and drink), is there really the demand for tickets the same as pre-COVID?

I can tell you that demand for Leafs tickets is waaaaaay below what it used to be. I thought it would rebound once all restrictions were lifted. It's bumped back up a little, but not nearly as much as expected.

It's going to be interesting to see what the demand is like for playoff tickets this year. I just don't know how many people are going to justify paying over $1000 to sit in the lower bowl for a hockey game (obviously the vast majority of those seats are corporate, but the resale market is what catches my interest).

allegedly.

It remains to be seen where teh stadium actually goes.

I think it will be more inland to where the college campus sits currently (IF you know the area) to get parking 360 degrees around the stadium
- ImThatGuy

I don't know the area at all, so any dummed-down explanations would be appreciated.

That was a funny one. To think someone could be a top 20 player all time in a sport 100 years old and be called overrated.

It's simply because he makes it look effortless even when he's busting his ass. Thomas Vanek had that same ability and was called lazy as well.
- lacaprup

Vanek was lazy though. He would have been a .ppg player every season and scoring 50 goals if he wasn't a lazy, cigarette smoking, scratch off lottery buying compulsive gambling insomniac.

https://www.wgrz.com/amp/article/sports/nfl/future-of-the-bills/new-bills-stadium-on-agenda-at-nfl-meetings/71-636b2821-7e9a-4cd3-a762-0aeffd68911c
- jdfitz77

Thanks. Very helpful.

Power is going to be our Alex Pietrangelo while Dahlin is going to be a 70 point Norris candidate

Samuelsson is our Hjalmarsson except he has offensive instincts

The future on D is ridiculous
- sbroads24

I was tooting his horn all season and people were calling me crazy.

Then I said I want to see Skinner get 25/25 and people called me crazy.

Then I said Tage to score 30 and it was suggested I was drunk.

Then I said Okposo for 20 and people went all Will Smith on me.

After the 17-game losing streak last year... We have gone to overtime in 5 straight and have a winning record in March. I'm seeing what I wanted to see out of the team this year. Frustration yet growth.

And Dahlin is becoming a monster. Thank (frank)ing god that locker room cancer got traded.

Thanks. Very helpful.
- Atomic Wedgie

No prob

The one metric u provided is hideously laughable,
as per usual

The L is yours
Have a great day
- jdfitz77

Nice job dude, provide nothing and avoid, as per usual

I was tooting his horn all season and people were calling me crazy.

Then I said I want to see Skinner get 25/25 and people called me crazy.

Then I said Tage to score 30 and it was suggested I was drunk.

Then I said Okposo for 20 and people went all Will Smith on me.

After the 17-game losing streak last year... We have gone to overtime in 5 straight and have a winning record in March. I'm seeing what I wanted to see out of the team this year. Frustration yet growth.

And Dahlin is becoming a monster. Thank (frank)ing god that locker room cancer got traded.
- BeadyEyedDouche

lets not forget that you actually are crazy..

I'm wondering if we are finally seeing a shift in sports fan behaviour - with less and less people wanting to attend the game in person.

With TV coverage getting better and better, everyone and their neighbour now having a 65 inch HD TV they bought for $399 at Walmart or Costco, and the now redonkulous costs of attending a game (tix plus transportation plus food and drink), is there really the demand for tickets the same as pre-COVID?

I can tell you that demand for Leafs tickets is waaaaaay below what it used to be. I thought it would rebound once all restrictions were lifted. It's bumped back up a little, but not nearly as much as expected.

It's going to be interesting to see what the demand is like for playoff tickets this year. I just don't know how many people are going to justify paying over $1000 to sit in the lower bowl for a hockey game (obviously the vast majority of those seats are corporate, but the resale market is what catches my interest).
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah, i could see that
I think Pro Sports teams are as well
At least the NFL does i think
Newer stadiums are generally being built with less Capacity than in the past

I believe the new Bills stadium is supposed to be around 65,000
The old stadium held 80,000 at one point

The Greater Golden Horseshoe (think Greater Greater Toronto Area) could probably support three teams.

But alas, the Leafs would never allow it - which would never make sense to them from an economic standpoint.

One caveat: there's now a theory out there that you could see MLSE split - the team is currently owned by two competing media companies (Bell and Rogers). So they agree that one company keeps the Leafs, one company gets a new franchise in Toronto. It's not the wackiest idea I've ever heard - hell, the wackiest idea I've ever heard is that two rival media companies would team up to buy the Leafs.

As for the Panthers, based upon my one visit there over 10 years ago, I'd say the number one problem of that franchise is their arena location.
- Atomic Wedgie

Doesn't London have 5 major soccer teams? The Leafs are idiots to keep a second team out of Toronto. The rivalry would only help them long term.

I'm wondering if we are finally seeing a shift in sports fan behaviour - with less and less people wanting to attend the game in person.

With TV coverage getting better and better, everyone and their neighbour now having a 65 inch HD TV they bought for $399 at Walmart or Costco, and the now redonkulous costs of attending a game (tix plus transportation plus food and drink), is there really the demand for tickets the same as pre-COVID?

I can tell you that demand for Leafs tickets is waaaaaay below what it used to be. I thought it would rebound once all restrictions were lifted. It's bumped back up a little, but not nearly as much as expected.

It's going to be interesting to see what the demand is like for playoff tickets this year. I just don't know how many people are going to justify paying over $1000 to sit in the lower bowl for a hockey game (obviously the vast majority of those seats are corporate, but the resale market is what catches my interest).
- Atomic Wedgie

This is a lot about how attendance will influence the future of sports.

Yeah, i could see that
I think Pro Sports teams are as well
At least the NFL does i think
Newer stadiums are generally being built with less Capacity than in the past

I believe the new Bills stadium is supposed to be around 65,000
The old stadium held 80,000 at one point
- jdfitz77

It was and the Buffalo Bills had more wins than any franchise in the NFL in the 1990s. They sold out 61% of games.

Nice job dude, provide nothing and avoid, as per usual
- washedup20

And what did u prove?
Oh yeah, NOTHING

Yeah, i could see that
I think Pro Sports teams are as well
At least the NFL does i think
Newer stadiums are generally being built with less Capacity than in the past

I believe the new Bills stadium is supposed to be around 65,000
The old stadium held 80,000 at one point
- jdfitz77

Pretty laughable metric to use, wouldn't you think?

It was and the Buffalo Bills had more wins than any franchise in the NFL in the 1990s. They sold out 61% of games.
- lacaprup

I had seasons tix from the mid80s till the 2000s
Saw some great games
Tunnel end zone, row 4
Good stuff

And what did u prove?
Oh yeah, NOTHING
- jdfitz77

It showed more people in biggier cities go to sports games now then in Buffalo.

Go read jdfitz post about attendance for the new bills stadium.

Pretty laughable metric to use, wouldn't you think?
- washedup20

It wasn’t being used as a METRIC FOR SUCCESS,
like u we’re trying to do with the Sabres, Arizona & Florida

Just a talking point in a completely different discussion

I had seasons tix from the mid80s till the 2000s
Saw some great games
Tunnel end zone, row 4
Good stuff
- jdfitz77

I remember going to one game in the early 90s against Denver. We score 3tds in like 5 minutes I think. I remember Biscuit getting a pix six or fumble return.

I think that was it for me in the Bills glory days before the present era.

Nice job dude, provide nothing and avoid, as per usual
- washedup20

Enough

Doesn't London have 5 major soccer teams? The Leafs are idiots to keep a second team out of Toronto. The rivalry would only help them long term.
- lacaprup

Think of how franking hideous this team has been over the past 50+ years.

Do you really think that allowing another team in your protected territory would be a good business decision?

Toronto's already a weird hockey town. Yes, the level of support for the Leafs is crazy.

But (and I have absolutely no actual data to back this up) I'll bet that Toronto also has the greatest number of hockey fans who cheer for a team other than the home team.

If you go into a sports jersey store on Yonge Street (although they are mostly gone now - victims of COVID) you'll see jerseys and other crap for the majority of teams in the NHL. It's really weird - who is buying Canucks jerseys in Toronto? Who's buying Florida Panthers hats?

I think if you gave Torontonians an alternative, even die-hard Leafs fans like me would split their allegiances. It would be really weird if they were both in the Atlantic. I solution might be to put the new team in the Western Conference - but that would abolutely suck with time zones and game times.

I thought I read somewhere that 2019 was the first year in a long time Buffalo actually saw population growth. I think there's a "nowhere to go but up" factor there, though.

EDIT: Guess not. https://www.macrotrends.n.../22947/buffalo/population
- buffalofan19

It was mostly suburban kids moving to the city.

And a bunch of minor tech startups.

It's not happening.