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landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 22 @ 7:38 PM ET
Ask hockey players dumb questions, get dumb answers:





- Tomahawk


Point taken….
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 7:46 PM ET
3) While Don Sweeney is going to remain in Boston as general manager, Bruins team president Cam Neely stopped far short of saying that Bruce Cassidy would stay on as the team's head coach. Speaking to the media, Neely said that he feels the team needs to make some changes and punted on a question about Cassidy's immediate future. Neely praised Cassidy's coaching abilities and overall track record in Boston but said that a decision on Cassidy would not be made until after the team president and Sweeney sit down to discuss the coaching plan.

If Cassidy is dismissed in Boston, he would likely be another top candidate of interest to the Flyers.
-bmeltzer

I seem to recall someone else posting this entire situation the other day ... Oh .. that's right .. it was me! And for it I was called a fountain of disinformation by my ol' pal @MJL and accused of completely misreading the situation.

Just another in long line of not well thought out insults by our favorite forum monitor ...

jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 7:48 PM ET
Giroux went from one gutless team to another.
Taken off the first unit PP, and ice time being taken away. He must feel about 2 inches tall.

Systematically dismantled.

- PLindbergh31

Or maybe he is just not that good any more ... just saying ...
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 7:49 PM ET
This makes absolutely no sense. In other words, they will operate on their own timeline even if it means hurting themselves by losing out on who they really want.

Its sounds like paralysis by analysis.

How can they come to a final decision if the guy they decide they want is no longer there?

Maddening.

- MBFlyerfan

Yes ... yes .. that's right .. because Fletcher and his entire staff are a bunch of morons! Did it every occur to you that Marek might be wrong?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 7:53 PM ET
I seem to recall someone else posting this entire situation the other day ... Oh .. that's right .. it was me! And for it I was called a fountain of disinformation by ny ol' pal @MJL and accused of completely misreading the situation.

Just another in long line of not well thought out insults by our favorite forum monitor ...

- jd250


Actually, you did the same thing as you did before on multiple topics. You don't post all the information. Did you perhaps read the part where Bill said that Neely "punted" when asked? What you posted is that Neely said that Cassidy may not be back. If need be, I'll provide the link to your post. I did not say that you misread the situation. I said you misrepresented what Neely said.

It's amazing. Even after having something simple explained to you multiple times. You still don't get it. You still double down. There are no insults. Only reality. You do it to yourself.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 7:54 PM ET
Yes ... yes .. that's right .. because Fletcher and his entire staff are a bunch of morons! Did it every occur to you that Marek might be wrong?
- jd250


I'm wondering how much information and facts it will take for you to come to the correct conclusion?
Flyerfan2868
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 22 @ 8:16 PM ET
Yes ... yes .. that's right .. because Fletcher and his entire staff are a bunch of morons! Did it every occur to you that Marek might be wrong?
- jd250


I trust Jeff Marek and Elliott Friedman's assessment of this situation more than Fletcher's ability to manage this team....

I mean, how can you say Marek might be wrong? This situation has been brewing for 6 months. What has Fletcher done in that time as far as a replacement goes?

The answer is nothing. He waited until the start of this month to decide they should even have a conversation about what qualities they want in a coach....That's such an absurd approach, it's almost hard to believe! Even you have to admit there's no good reason that conversation shouldn't have happened months ago.

And now it's been a month....and they have yet to conduct an interview. In fact, it seems the only candidate we know of is pushed back, and Fletcher has stated he wants to keep everything very confidential while they search for a candidate in the coming weeks....

But yes, Marek is wrong. I guess he could be, if Trotz doesn't leave Philly....but I don't see that happening given he seems to be in high demand.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 22 @ 8:19 PM ET
Point taken….
- landros 2





You're just never gonna hear players give honest answers, call anybody out or get into specifics. They'll just talk about playing tough and sticking up for each other and playing hard for 60 mins because those are the kind of answers that fans want to hear and the kind of poop the media likes to write about.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 22 @ 8:28 PM ET
The answer is nothing. He waited until the start of this month to decide they should even have a conversation about what qualities they want in a coach....That's such an absurd approach, it's almost hard to believe! Even you have to admit there's no good reason that conversation shouldn't have happened months ago.
- Flyerfan2868


They've had almost 7-months to lay the basic groundwork for the search. The fact that they STILL don't know what they're looking WEEKS after the season's been over just kinda speaks to how (frank)ing incompetent the front office is.

If they really need to take even longer to decide who they like, then they truly deserve to end up with the dregs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 8:29 PM ET


You're just never gonna hear players give honest answers, call anybody out or get into specifics. They'll just talk about playing tough and sticking up for each other and playing hard for 60 mins because those are the kind of answers that fans want to hear and the kind of poop the media likes to write about.

- Tomahawk


A term like harder to play against is a generic term. I laugh every time I read someone post that a player like Ristolainen adds an element that we need. I guess if we need a defenseman who bleeds scoring chances and goals against, and hits a guy after a play is made. The yeah. Reality is that opposition players are not intimidated by him and they'll gladly take a hit after making a play to win. They love playing against a guy like that knowing they'll get plenty of opportunities. Nate Thompson comes back from injury and goes right back into the lineup. Why? Can't play any more. McEwen skates and hustles his balls off but he is not effective. Flyers need to move out of the stone ages. The best way to be harder to play against is to have the puck more.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 8:42 PM ET
Actually, you did the same thing as you did before on multiple topics. You don't post all the information. Did you perhaps read the part where Bill said that Neely "punted" when asked? What you posted is that Neely said that Cassidy may not be back. If need be, I'll provide the link to your post. I did not say that you misread the situation. I said you misrepresented what Neely said.

It's amazing. Even after having something simple explained to you multiple times. You still don't get it. You still double down. There are no insults. Only reality. You do it to yourself.

- MJL

Stop embarrassing yourself ... me stating Neely said Cassidy may not be back is essentially the same exact thing as what Bill posted here. I even gave everyone the link to the video to prove it. You're wrong and you know it, just be an adult and apologize, and then move on.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 8:44 PM ET
I'm wondering how much information and facts it will take for you to come to the correct conclusion?
- MJL

Unlike you, I have no problem admitting I was wrong and changing my mind based on what happens. If Fletcher picks the wrong coach, I will be right with everyone else calling for this head.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 8:49 PM ET
Stop embarrassing yourself ... me stating Neely said Cassidy may not be back is essentially the same exact thing as what Bill posted here. I even gave everyone the link to the video to prove it. You're wrong and you know it, just be an adult and apologize, and then move on.
- jd250


No it's not. Actually what Bill posted that he "punted" and what I posted that Neely was noncommittal was an accurate representation of what Neely said. Your representation that Neely said that Cassidy may not be back, is not accurate. So here we are, explaining it to you again and you still don't get it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 8:49 PM ET
I trust Jeff Marek and Elliott Friedman's assessment of this situation more than Fletcher's ability to manage this team....

I mean, how can you say Marek might be wrong? This situation has been brewing for 6 months. What has Fletcher done in that time as far as a replacement goes?

The answer is nothing. He waited until the start of this month to decide they should even have a conversation about what qualities they want in a coach....That's such an absurd approach, it's almost hard to believe! Even you have to admit there's no good reason that conversation shouldn't have happened months ago.

And now it's been a month....and they have yet to conduct an interview. In fact, it seems the only candidate we know of is pushed back, and Fletcher has stated he wants to keep everything very confidential while they search for a candidate in the coming weeks....

But yes, Marek is wrong. I guess he could be, if Trotz doesn't leave Philly....but I don't see that happening given he seems to be in high demand.

- Flyerfan2868

Would you agree that the Flyers team that ended the season is very different from the one that started the season? I think it is significantly different, and thus rushing to hire a new coach when AV got fired would have turned out to be the exact wrong thing to do given what we saw by the end of the season, i.e. a team with a lot of young talent that needs time to develop. I think Fletcher did the exact right thing by letting the season play out to see how the injuries progressed to key players like Hayes, Couts and Ellis, and how the progression of the younger players went. Now he and his staff have a much better idea of the direction they want this franchise to go, and by waiting there are potentially a lot more coaches to chose from, Barry Trotz for example. Now Fletcher and his staff can make a much more informed decision and hopefully hire the right coach.

But you all don't want to hear that. You all want to believe Fletcher is a complete idiot is will screw this up as in your minds he has done the entire time he has been with the Flyers. And there is nothing that can happen that will change your minds ... so believe what and who you want.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 8:50 PM ET
Unlike you, I have no problem admitting I was wrong and changing my mind based on what happens. If Fletcher picks the wrong coach, I will be right with everyone else calling for this head.
- jd250


The problem isn't admitting your wrong and changing your mind. The problem is your wrong pretty much all the time with rare exceptions.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 8:53 PM ET
No it's not. Actually what Bill posted that he "punted" and what I posted that Neely was noncommittal was an accurate representation of what Neely said. Your representation that Neely said that Cassidy may not be back, is not accurate. So here we are, explaining it to you again and you still don't get it.
- MJL

I posted: "Neely indicated Cassidy might now be back as coach"

Bill posted: "Bruins team president Cam Neely stopped far short of saying that Bruce Cassidy would stay on as the team's head coach."

I don't know what else to say. I'm done here.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 8:53 PM ET
Would you agree that the Flyers team that ended the season is very different from the one that started the season? I think it is significantly different, and thus rushing to hire a new coach when AV got fired would have turned out to be the exact wrong thing to do given what we saw by the end of the season, i.e. a team with a lot of young talent that needs time to develop. I think Fletcher did the exact right thing by letting the season play out to see how the injuries progressed to key players like Hayes, Couts and Ellis, and how the progression of the younger players went. Now he and his staff have a much better idea of the direction they want this franchise to go, and by waiting there are potentially a lot more coaches to chose from, Barry Trotz for example. Now Fletcher and his staff can make a much more informed decision and hopefully hire the right coach.

But you all don't want to hear that. You all want to believe Fletcher is a complete idiot is will screw this up as in your minds he has done the entire time he has been with the Flyers. And there is nothing that can happen that will change your minds ... so believe what and who you want.

- jd250


What you posted here has no bearing on the leg work that should already be completed. Having a few new players doesn't change that. The issue is Fletcher in his press conference after the season stating that they're going to sit down and have some meetings in committee to decide on what they're looking for. That should've already been done.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 8:54 PM ET
The problem isn't admitting your wrong and changing your mind. The problem is your wrong pretty much all the time with rare exceptions.
- MJL

Oh .. I have gotten to the point that there are "rare exceptions" .. well that is progress I guess
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 22 @ 8:57 PM ET
What you posted here has no bearing on the leg work that should already be completed. Having a few new players doesn't change that. The issue is Fletcher in his press conference after the season stating that they're going to sit down and have some meetings in committee to decide on what they're looking for. That should've already been done.
- MJL

How do you know they hadn't decided it already, and Fletcher was just doing what all GMs do, lie? You tell us all the time GMs are never honest in press conferences, but all of a sudden Fletcher was being completely 100% honest because its suits your narrative? "Come on man ..."
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 02.07.2007

May 22 @ 8:58 PM ET


You're just never gonna hear players give honest answers, call anybody out or get into specifics. They'll just talk about playing tough and sticking up for each other and playing hard for 60 mins because those are the kind of answers that fans want to hear and the kind of poop the media likes to write about.

- Tomahawk


True….but all you have to do is watch and it’s pretty easy to see how easy the Flyers are to play against, the last couple of years. I don’t need to hear a player say it or read about it in the media. I don’t mind seeing them lose, but to never show a push back on so many nights should never be deemed acceptable.
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

May 22 @ 8:59 PM ET
The problem isn't admitting your wrong and changing your mind. The problem is your wrong pretty much all the time with rare exceptions.
- MJL


The actual problem is, you’re a condescending major DB most of the time with rare exceptions.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 9:01 PM ET
I posted: "Neely indicated Cassidy might now be back as coach"

Bill posted: "Bruins team president Cam Neely stopped far short of saying that Bruce Cassidy would stay on as the team's head coach."

I don't know what else to say. I'm done here.

- jd250


Nope, here is what you posted.

https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...?thread_id=178998&page=10

"Word from Cam Neely today is Cassidy may not be back as the Bruins coach. If so he is another good fit for the Flyers IMO. "

Again, you omitted the part where Bill states that Neely "punted". Which means he did not answer one way or another. Just like I said he was noncommittal.

You got it wrong and you continually leave out key information and key parts of quotes and articles. You are a fountain of misinformation.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 9:03 PM ET
How do you know they hadn't decided it already, and Fletcher was just doing what all GMs do, lie? You tell us all the time GMs are never honest in press conferences, but all of a sudden Fletcher was being completely 100% honest because its suits your narrative? "Come on man ..."
- jd250


We don't know. We only know what he tells us. Is there a reason we shouldn't believe him in this case? Tell me what is your standard for when you believe what he says or you don't? Other than what suits your narrative.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 9:04 PM ET
Oh .. I have gotten to the point that there are "rare exceptions" .. well that is progress I guess
- jd250


No, nothing new. Same as I posted the other day using 98%.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

May 22 @ 9:10 PM ET
Lmao now you’re changing it up huh
- ClaudeFather

Hes a Goal Post moving heavyweight contender
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