Thank you, make that number 15!
- jd250

Well that puts it over the top. Stanley Cup, here we come!

I am curious, does Jim Montgomery want to play the style of hockey, that those who think Trotz is unwilling to do?

It was forced hibernation and it could happen again very easily I suspect.
- jd250

What overall grade would you give Fletcher at this time?

This one is funny. What GM is not available to media? Is Fletcher more available than other GM's



He rarely actually gives an actual answer. He is the equivalent of a used car salesman with his use of terms and clichés. He is a bull poop artist.



No even sure what that means. How is that more important than the actual direction he takes the team?



He hired a bunch of people you know nothing about. Where are the results?



Briere is the equivalent of a high paid intern. What dividends has this paid for the team?



You don't know what he has asked of the medical department. You only know what he told you. What changes have been made?



He traded two young assets for a player with a high cap hit and 6 years of term that didn't play last year. There are question marks if he'll be ready for next season. This was a really bad move by a bad GM.



He has potential but right now, he is just that.



A lateral move at best.



I like the deal with a low cap hit.



A no brainer deal that is not really an accomplishment. Farabee doesn't have much leverage. Not a move that you laud the GM for.



Which young player?




The Niskanen move was one of the few good moves he has made. The Braun move was not the right move for the team at the time.

Is this honestly all you have? What in your list says that this is the right guy to lead the team forward. That builds trust in his decision making? All you did for the most part is give him credit for basic moves that a GM makes.

You've embarrassed yourself again.
- MJL

Myers and Nolan Patrick were not assets. They are dead weight at a young age. Lets stop pretending we lost anything givingh up Nolan Patrick and Myers. Both might not even play another NHL game at this point

Myers and Nolan Patrick were not assets. They are dead weight at a young age. Lets stop pretending we lost anything givingh up Nolan Patrick and Myers. Both might not even play another NHL game at this point
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

We did lose something, though: a significant dose of cap space.

What overall grade would you give Fletcher at this time?
- hello it's me 2050

A 50%, which is a “F.” The drafting has been good to very good depending on how some turn out. Fletcher didn’t sell the farm or cripple the long term future. For the record, I am still rooting for him to get things right this summer.

A 50%, which is a “F.” The drafting has been good to very good depending on how some turn out. Fletcher didn’t sell the farm or cripple the long term future. For the record, I am still rooting for him to get things right this summer.
- NC Flyers Fan

His drafting is a complete 100% unknown at this point. The grade for drafting is an incomplete.

Not sure how you or anyone can say it has been good to very good.

Myers and Nolan Patrick were not assets. They are dead weight at a young age. Lets stop pretending we lost anything givingh up Nolan Patrick and Myers. Both might not even play another NHL game at this point
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

False. They were absolutely assets. It's just a question of value. Excluding the Flyers taking on 6 years of term of a player at Ellis age and injury history is not including all of the variables. Some still don't understand that cap space is an asset as much as a player is.

We did lose something, though: a significant dose of cap space.
- BulliesPhan87

Which is fair. Just saying NoPa and Myers are not assets to the team. As for Ellis we will see how the addition pans out. Still a lot of time to define his time here. A healthy season would be a good first step

His drafting is a complete 100% unknown at this point. The grade for drafting is an incomplete.

Not sure how you or anyone can say it has been good to very good.
- hello it's me 2050

We’ll see. Convenient that incomplete. Three years ago, most seemed to not like the Wild drafting, but many have changed their opinion with more time.

False. They were absolutely assets. It's just a question of value. Excluding the Flyers taking on 6 years of term of a player at Ellis age and injury history is not including all of the variables. Some still don't understand that cap space is an asset as much as a player is.
- MJL

It is not false. Asset is a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality. Nolan Patrick and Myers are not those things. Cap space is however that wasnt what is being debated. Flyers did not give up young assets because the players in question are not assets.

The only asset lost was cap space which might not even be lost if he cant come back and play.

We’ll see. Convenient that incomplete. Three years ago, most seemed to not like the Wild drafting, but many have changed their opinion with more time.
- NC Flyers Fan

There is nothing convenient about it. It is incomplete. Yes we will see.

It is not false. Asset is a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality. Nolan Patrick and Myers are not those things. Cap space is however that wasnt what is being debated. Flyers did not give up young assets because the players in question are not assets.

The only asset lost was cap space which might not even be lost if he cant come back and play.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Incorrect. Patrick was again traded to Vegas. Both were assets at the time. What you're posting is flat out ridiculous. You chose again incorrectly not to consider the cap space when looking at the trade. It may not have been part of the debate for you but it surely is part of it.

I don’t think this team is far from competing for a playoff spot. They had three major injuries long term to Hayes , coots , and Ellis. If they all come back healthy and sure up the third pairing and see it g wants to come back I think they are a playoff team. Are they Stanley cup winning status ? No. But it’s the playoffs and anything can happen.

G could move back to Philadelphia after tonights game. But i guess not after he reads the tea leaves 😔

What overall grade would you give Fletcher at this time?
- hello it's me 2050

C. The Tippett trade could be huge if the goal is tanking. Next season draftpool much more sexy.

I don’t think this team is far from competing for a playoff spot. They had three major injuries long term to Hayes , coots , and Ellis. If they all come back healthy and sure up the third pairing and see it g wants to come back I think they are a playoff team. Are they Stanley cup winning status ? No. But it’s the playoffs and anything can happen.
- jmdodgeser4

While I agree that those players mentioned would make the Flyers better, and even a lower seed playoff team, should that really be the goal? To be knocked out in the first round and get some middle of the pack draft pick 200 foot player?

In my opinion this team needs a lobotomy, a complete overall from top to bottom in order to, not be just competitive, but to become a perennial playoff contender that can compete and beat the likes of the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Avs. Having those players come back will not make that be the case. The goal should be to win the cup, not just make the playoffs to be knocked out in round 1. That in my opinion is the definition of treading water.

This makes absolutely no sense. In other words, they will operate on their own timeline even if it means hurting themselves by losing out on who they really want.

Its sounds like paralysis by analysis.

How can they come to a final decision if the guy they decide they want is no longer there?

Maddening.
- MBFlyerfan

Their plan sounds about right, let the others teams hire as many coaches as they like and the Flyers take what’s left!

Yep sound exactly like a Flyers type plan.

I don’t think this team is far from competing for a playoff spot. They had three major injuries long term to Hayes , coots , and Ellis. If they all come back healthy and sure up the third pairing and see it g wants to come back I think they are a playoff team. Are they Stanley cup winning status ? No. But it’s the playoffs and anything can happen.
- jmdodgeser4

My standards are higher. I'm not satisfied with just being a playoff team. When they fired Hextall and claimed they wanted to have an action bias and be a capped team. Then nothing short of true contender status is acceptable. Anything less, as long as they have that philosophy, will be considered a failure in my book.

No one said rebuilds dont work. They are saying its not a guarantee. Edmonton sucked for a very long time to get McDavid. How many 1st overall picks did they have? Not to mention you can no longer have the 1st overall pick more than twice in five years.

EDM got lucky and landed McDavid. Those types of players appear once or twice every 10 years. Might I also remind you the Flyers lost out on Patrick Kane because of the draft Lottery the year they absolutely sucked?

Tanking is no longer a sure thing to get the best player in the draft. You also need to be able to develop the players too. Hard to say from behind a keyboard but we are either drafting the wrong players or we arent developing them properly or maybe we are just unlucky.

We have several players who we drafted and they developed well, maybe not to a point we expected but Provorov is still a good DMen, Sanheim turned out well, Konecny has done well, Farabee is doing well, Couturier panned out. Lindblom developped well for a 5th round pick and Frost is getting there. Its hard to just sit there and say this is clearly why some of our draft picks dont make it because clearly some of them do.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

and being mediocre for decades isn't a guarantee either
I'll say McDavid is much more fun to watch than anyone we currently have

Incorrect. Patrick was again traded to Vegas. Both were assets at the time. What you're posting is flat out ridiculous. You chose again incorrectly not to consider the cap space when looking at the trade. It may not have been part of the debate for you but it surely is part of it.
- MJL

I ignore the cap space because this isnt about the cap space. Seriously, can you not read? I told you the cap space is an asset and it is lost if he does play, I never disagreed with that.

I am not talking about that though. This is specifically about Nolan Patrick and Myers being considered young assets. They are not assets. They had no value then and they have no value now. Nashville took them just to clear cap and then traded him away for another player who was a 1st round bust.

You liked to bring it up quite often that Fletcher managed to land Ellis for that poor return because something was wrong with Ellis and they wanted out from that contract. They are not assets and they havent done anything to prove otherwise. If the best you can do for two young players is an oft injured Dman with a longterm contract, they clearly had very little value.

Florida done. Disappointing 2nd round but there will be other years. Wonder if they can pull a Tampa and win the year after getting swept.

I ignore the cap space because this isnt about the cap space. Seriously, can you not read? I told you the cap space is an asset and it is lost if he does play, I never disagreed with that.

I am not talking about that though. This is specifically about Nolan Patrick and Myers being considered young assets. They are not assets. They had no value then and they have no value now. Nashville took them just to clear cap and then traded him away for another player who was a 1st round bust.


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You consistently like to set the parameters for the conversation. You made a statement. It was a poorly thought out statement that ignored assets traded in the deal. Now you're doubling down with the asinine belief that Myers and Patrick were not assets. Again, we can debate the overall value of those assets but assets nonetheless.

You liked to bring it up quite often that Fletcher managed to land Ellis for that poor return because something was wrong with Ellis and they wanted out from that contract. They are not assets and they havent done anything to prove otherwise. If the best you can do for two young players is an oft injured Dman with a longterm contract, they clearly had very little value.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I guess I have to explain that to you. Legitimate top pairing RH defenseman normally are far more to expensive to acquire. If you can trade for one at all. The reason Nashville was willing to take that return is because they wanted out from the Ellis contract. Again, we can debate what the level of value they had but that's a different conversation.

Stating that weren't assets when they were clearly involved in an NHL deal, is beyond asinine.

You consistently like to set the parameters for the conversation. You made a statement. It was a poorly thought out statement that ignored assets traded in the deal. Now you're doubling down with the asinine belief that Myers and Patrick were not assets. Again, we can debate the overall value of those assets but assets nonetheless.



I guess I have to explain that to you. Legitimate top pairing RH defenseman normally are far more to expensive to acquire. If you can trade for one at all. The reason Nashville was willing to take that return is because they wanted out from the Ellis contract. Again, we can debate what the level of value they had but that's a different conversation.

Stating that weren't assets when they were clearly involved in an NHL deal, is beyond asinine.
- MJL

Throwing players into a deal doesnt always mean they are assets with Value. Some players are just throw ins to get rid of contracts. That is what Myers and Patrick were. They were garbage that was tossed out. Like you said, Nashville would take anything to get rid of the contract

Throwing players into a deal doesnt always mean they are assets with Value. Some players are just throw ins to get rid of contracts. That is what Myers and Patrick were. They were garbage that was tossed out. Like you said, Nashville would take anything to get rid of the contract
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If a player is thrown in to get rid of s contract, the other team has to agree to take the player. That is an asset. Any player, prospect, whether NHL or AHL or junior level is an asset. I did not state that Nashville would take anything to get rid of the contract.

Now it's assets with value. There's that moving the goal posts.