I was not a big fan of Hexy when he was GM of the Flyers, but I have no doubt the Flyers would be in a better position now if they had stayed with him.
- Dkos

Same

Here is the problem MJL, every stance you take comes from negativity. If you state someone will fail enough times and trash every single move he makes, you are bound to be right eventually. Its just like playing a number at the roulette wheel, if you have enough cash and time, the ball will finally land on your number eventually.


- jd250

How about in your case? The ball never lands for you. You're never right. This is one of your dumber comments and that is saying a lot. I've been a poster here a long time. You are misinformed that every stance that I take is negative.

Yes, the evidence now is overwhelming, the resigning of Braun and this Nicolas Deslauriers guy to 4 years pushed me over the edge! But just to be clear, I stated my hope was that JVR would be traded to clear some space and enable a younger player a chance at a roster spot. That did not happen. I also stated I hoped the Flyers would not make any dumb trades and use up all the cap they had. That did not happen. I also stated I hoped the Flyers did not trade the #5 pick and used to pick a good player. That at least did happen. However trading another 2nd round pick was just something else that irked my greatly. 3rd round picks or later I don't care about as much, but 1st and 2nd round picks I do care about, and getting a player like DeAngelo when this team needs to give their younger players a chance to play and develop so we can see what we have, just made no sense. This really irked me as well. Its the same thing that happened under Hextall, there is no commitment with this franchise one way or the other, and unfortunately " A George divided amongst itself cannot survive ":-) It seems to me the Flyers have one foot in the ocean and the other in the pool, they want to get younger and rebuild but they also want to stay relevant and try to compete at the pro level. We saw this did not work under Hextall, and it looks to me like that Flyers will have a 2nd straight season in last place. It just does not make sense to me. Other franchises make a decision and formulate a plan, and then execute it. This franchise is all over the map, and that is embarrassing!
- jd250

You failed to address that your prediction on how Fletcher would act this off season was wrong. Your read on his press conferences was wrong. It's just a continuation.

I would hope at least now you will admit that the group of "young players" Hextall accumulated were not as solid as we had hoped. This group lacks a great many things, speed and top end talent are two very big gaps IMO.



Provorov has regressed greatly from his rookie season, both on the ice and off the ice. Farabee is a nice player but not worthy of top line status. O'Brian can't stay on the ice at BU. Allison is hurt all the time. Sanheim is just OK. Hart can't seem to stay healthy either. TK is just OK. Laczynski hurt as well. Frost .. not looking good so far. Cates we'll see soon enough.

Patrick, Ratcliff, Laberge, Rubstov, Twarynski, Ginning, NAK .. "Trash!" as my son would say.

So it is what it is, and its not an impressive young group.
- jd250

I disagree. The Flyers are just a bad development team. Provorov, Sanheim, Konecny, Farabee and Hart are all solid players. They asininely gave Lindblom away. Fletcher failed to build around what Hextall put in place adequately

Did Hextall think he could have it both ways or did he realize that the organization would never tolerate a full rebuild? I say the latter. Look at how they treated him for what he tried to do. They would've put out a bounty on him and hung a wanted poster if he tried a complete rebuild.
- MJL

How they treated him, wow. Look at how he treated people. He was tyrant turd.

Always a lame excuse as the Saint ran the show. He failed Cliff. Your dad was a total failure.

I disagree. The Flyers are just a bad development team. Provorov, Sanheim, Konecny, Farabee and Hart are all solid players. They asininely gave Lindblom away. Fletcher failed to build around what Hextall put in place adequately
- MJL

Solid players, that is something to really hang your hat on. No GM can match that talent.

Turns out in the end there really isnt much to build around from what The Saint left behind.

defend to the end

Solid players, that is something to really hang your hat on. No GM can match that talent.

Turns out in the end there really isnt much to build around from what The Saint left behind.

defend to the end
- hello it's me 2050

At least Hextall used his draft picks rather then traded them away. You can’t get any worse then the job Fletcher has done but yeah, keep back tracking to what the GM of four or five years ago did.

So far for next season, we have…

Injuries/rehab:
Ellis
Farabee
Brink

At forward:
JVR-Coots-TK
Laughton-Hayes-Atkinson
N.Cates-Frost-Tippett

Battling for a spot in top 12 and depth/call up…(some could be the extra forward, loaned or waived)
Ratcliffe-Laczynski-Allison
Deslauriers-Brown-Sandin
Hodgson-J.Cates-MacEwen
Willman-Wisdom-Foerster

At defense:
Provy-DeAngelo
Sanheim-Risto
York-Braun

Battling for depth position/call up…(some could be the extra defenseman, loaned or waived)
Seeler-Attard
Zamula-Connauton
Hogberg-Wylie
Ginning-Belpedio

In Goal:
Hart
Battle for backup…(others to the Phantoms)
Sandstrom
Grosenick
Ersson

At least Hextall used his draft picks rather then traded them away. You can’t get any worse then the job Fletcher has done but yeah, keep back tracking to what the GM of four or five years ago did.
- SuperSchennBros

I can think of one pick where the hockey gods finally shined in the flyers favor and hexy dictatored that pick into a bust while overlooking a stud number one dman and another who is the next Bobby Orr (see 99 for that prediction).

You can’t in good conscious mention hexys drafting which I would rate as avg at best and not mention the number 2 pick catastrophe.

Also had the previous below avg Gm left our current below avg Gm in good hands on d we would not have the likes of Risto and Ellis here.

Fletcher continues to poorly duct tape problems created by his predecessor.

At least Fletcher did not go for this JG nonsense. Best move he has made thus far was bailing out of that one.

Hext was bad. Fletcher is bad. Next.

Solid players, that is something to really hang your hat on. No GM can match that talent.

Turns out in the end there really isnt much to build around from what The Saint left behind.

defend to the end
- hello it's me 2050

At one point he had an overrated stable of d. Maybe the flyers don’t have a development problem. Maybe some of these guys just aren’t as good as we thought. See provy for an example

So far for next season, we have…

Injuries/rehab:
Ellis
Farabee
Brink

At forward:
JVR-Coots-TK
Laughton-Hayes-Atkinson
N.Cates-Frost-Tippett

Battling for a spot in top 12 and depth/call up…(some could be the extra forward, loaned or waived)
Ratcliffe-Laczynski-Allison
Deslauriers-Brown-Sandin
Hodgson-J.Cates-MacEwen
Willman-Wisdom-Foerster

At defense:
Provy-DeAngelo
Sanheim-Risto
York-Braun

Battling for depth position/call up…(some could be the extra defenseman, loaned or waived)
Seeler-Attard
Zamula-Connauton
Hogberg-Wylie
Ginning-Belpedio

In Goal:
Hart
Battle for backup…(others to the Phantoms)
Sandstrom
Grosenick
Ersson
- NC Flyers Fan

Deslauriers isn't battling for a spot. He's a lock to be in the opening night lineup barring injury.

I can think of one pick where the hockey gods finally shined in the flyers favor and hexy dictatored that pick into a bust while overlooking a stud number one dman and another who is the next Bobby Orr (see 99 for that prediction).

You can’t in good conscious mention hexys drafting which I would rate as avg at best and not mention the number 2 pick catastrophe.

Also had the previous below avg Gm left our current below avg Gm in good hands on d we would not have the likes of Risto and Ellis here.

Fletcher continues to poorly duct tape problems created by his predecessor.

At least Fletcher did not go for this JG nonsense. Best move he has made thus far was bailing out of that one.

Hext was bad. Fletcher is bad. Next.
- Joe Nardone

You’re such a genius. I’m glad I took the time to read this, as if both GM’s are equally bad. Well thought out.

I can think of one pick where the hockey gods finally shined in the flyers favor and hexy dictatored that pick into a bust while overlooking a stud number one dman and another who is the next Bobby Orr (see 99 for that prediction).


- Joe Nardone

GM has final say. It's his job to make the pick. He is not a subordinate subject to the wishes of those below him. You have trouble understanding that.

Also had the previous below avg Gm left our current below avg Gm in good hands on d we would not have the likes of Risto and Ellis here.



- Joe Nardone

This a very poorly thought out comment. Look at the Flyers history of drafting and developing defenseman. It's a desert. Hextall inherited Gostisbehere. That's it but I guess he was supposed to single handedly build up a complete defense in the short time he was the GM. Hextall left Fletcher two top 4 NHL defenseman. Blaming Hextall for Ellis and Ristolainen is completely asinine.

Fletcher continues to poorly duct tape problems created by his predecessor.

At least Fletcher did not go for this JG nonsense. Best move he has made thus far was bailing out of that one.


- Joe Nardone

You're calling it a move. Boxing yourself in with poor decisions so you don't have the cap space for an elite player who wants to play on your team is a move? LOL

I can think of one pick where the hockey gods finally shined in the flyers favor and hexy dictatored that pick into a bust while overlooking a stud number one dman and another who is the next Bobby Orr (see 99 for that prediction).

You can’t in good conscious mention hexys drafting which I would rate as avg at best and not mention the number 2 pick catastrophe.

Also had the previous below avg Gm left our current below avg Gm in good hands on d we would not have the likes of Risto and Ellis here.

Fletcher continues to poorly duct tape problems created by his predecessor.

At least Fletcher did not go for this JG nonsense. Best move he has made thus far was bailing out of that one.


Hext was bad. Fletcher is bad. Next.
- Joe Nardone

Youre one of the worst additions to this thread thats already overloaded with horribleness. Shame all of that time youve spent in the arena watching live hasnt provided you with aclue of whats going on

So far for next season, we have…

Injuries/rehab:
Ellis
Farabee
Brink

At forward:
JVR-Coots-TK
Laughton-Hayes-Atkinson
N.Cates-Frost-Tippett

Battling for a spot in top 12 and depth/call up…(some could be the extra forward, loaned or waived)
Ratcliffe-Laczynski-Allison
Deslauriers-Brown-Sandin
Hodgson-J.Cates-MacEwen
Willman-Wisdom-Foerster

At defense:
Provy-DeAngelo
Sanheim-Risto
York-Braun

Battling for depth position/call up…(some could be the extra defenseman, loaned or waived)
Seeler-Attard
Zamula-Connauton
Hogberg-Wylie
Ginning-Belpedio

In Goal:
Hart
Battle for backup…(others to the Phantoms)
Sandstrom
Grosenick
Ersson
- NC Flyers Fan

It is July -- Ellis is ramping up -- he is hungry and ready to advance to the next stage of his rehab -- that is not cracking up when cashing his checks

Deslauriers isn't battling for a spot. He's a lock to be in the opening night lineup barring injury.
- MJL

True but I can hope that it’s as the extra forward.

True but I can hope that it’s as the extra forward.


- NC Flyers Fan

To who? Max Willman?

So far for next season, we have…

Injuries/rehab:
Ellis
Farabee
Brink

At forward:
JVR-Coots-TK
Laughton-Hayes-Atkinson
N.Cates-Frost-Tippett

Battling for a spot in top 12 and depth/call up…(some could be the extra forward, loaned or waived)
Ratcliffe-Laczynski-Allison
Deslauriers-Brown-Sandin
Hodgson-J.Cates-MacEwen
Willman-Wisdom-Foerster

At defense:
Provy-DeAngelo
Sanheim-Risto
York-Braun

Battling for depth position/call up…(some could be the extra defenseman, loaned or waived)
Seeler-Attard
Zamula-Connauton
Hogberg-Wylie
Ginning-Belpedio

In Goal:
Hart
Battle for backup…(others to the Phantoms)
Sandstrom
Grosenick
Ersson
- NC Flyers Fan

The Flyers have to be the odds on favorites to finish last in the east. I mean, which team are they going to beat out? My worry is Torts fires em up enough to the point that they surprise and end up 10th. The only way this team was makin the playoffs this year was if they signed JG and stayed relatively healthy. It's July 16th and this upcoming season is already ova. FIRE CHUCK!! Thanks!

Solid players, that is something to really hang your hat on. No GM can match that talent.

Turns out in the end there really isnt much to build around from what The Saint left behind.

defend to the end
- hello it's me 2050

Yes, solid players but not even close to being 1st line or 1st D pair on a good team. Hexy is better than chuckles but way over-rated by some one here.

I can think of one pick where the hockey gods finally shined in the flyers favor and hexy dictatored that pick into a bust while overlooking a stud number one dman and another who is the next Bobby Orr (see 99 for that prediction).

You can’t in good conscious mention hexys drafting which I would rate as avg at best and not mention the number 2 pick catastrophe.

Also had the previous below avg Gm left our current below avg Gm in good hands on d we would not have the likes of Risto and Ellis here.

Fletcher continues to poorly duct tape problems created by his predecessor.

At least Fletcher did not go for this JG nonsense. Best move he has made thus far was bailing out of that one.

Hext was bad. Fletcher is bad. Next.
- Joe Nardone

Agreed! They both are terrible. The old me would have wanted JG, but now I realize that it would have been a terrible move. Peeps on here would have had much to complain about so that would've been fun.

Yes, solid players but not even close to being 1st line or 1st D pair on a good team. Hexy is better than chuckles but way over-rated by some one here.
- Don Nachbaur

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about from top to bottom on this post. Nobody is overrating Hextall but at least using draft picks to actually draft young players was a major part of his vision, unlike Fletcher’s. As far as our talent not being top line or top pair. Trade Provorov or Farabee anywhere else and let’s see how far from first line or top pair they are because it seems to be a growing trend that a lot of former Flyers seem to find success elsewhere.

Get a (frank)ing GM that has won a cup. Get rid of Scott and everyone else.

To complain about the flyers current cap situation and then also complain they did not get JG only makes sense on planet Uranus

Imagine rejecting a 15 year $440 million deal.

Imagine rejecting a 15 year $440 million deal.
- furio16

He must not have liked the AAV.

To complain about the flyers current cap situation and then also complain they did not get JG only makes sense on planet Uranus
- Joe Nardone

Actually it is your comment that doesn't make any sense. So I'll explain it to you. It's actually very simple. On what planet does it make sense for the Flyers to have the philosophy that they want to be a cap team. That every year they're going to spend the money they have if it is not going to result in even being a good team? The Flyers cap management strategy has put them in the position of when they actually had a chance to add an elite player, they weren't able to do it because they didn't have the cap space. If you're going to spend to the cap, do it to add top players. Not mediocre, injury prone and just solid players. What don't you get?