I can think of one pick where the hockey gods finally shined in the flyers favor and hexy dictatored that pick into a bust while overlooking a stud number one dman and another who is the next Bobby Orr (see 99 for that prediction).

You can’t in good conscious mention hexys drafting which I would rate as avg at best and not mention the number 2 pick catastrophe.

Also had the previous below avg Gm left our current below avg Gm in good hands on d we would not have the likes of Risto and Ellis here.

Fletcher continues to poorly duct tape problems created by his predecessor.

At least Fletcher did not go for this JG nonsense. Best move he has made thus far was bailing out of that one.

Hext was bad. Fletcher is bad. Next.
- Joe Nardone

I think Hextall was bad, and Fletcher is compounding it. However I don't believe now that Fletcher purposely passed on JG, but instead it was his own cap mismanagement that tied his hands and stopped him from getting an top end forward. Now in the end I did not want the Flyers at this stage to tie up huge cap space on 1 contract like JG, but how Fletcher has used the cap space he did have is indefensible IMO.

I think Hextall was bad, and Fletcher is compounding it. However I don't believe now that Fletcher purposely passed on JG, but instead it was his own cap mismanagement that tied his hands and stopped him from getting an top end forward. Now in the end I did not want the Flyers at this stage to tie up huge cap space on 1 contract like JG, but how Fletcher has used the cap space he did have is indefensible IMO.
- jd250

Cap space is not the reason JG is not on the Flyers.

How about in your case? The ball never lands for you. You're never right. This is one of your dumber comments and that is saying a lot. I've been a poster here a long time. You are misinformed that every stance that I take is negative.



You failed to address that your prediction on how Fletcher would act this off season was wrong. Your read on his press conferences was wrong. It's just a continuation.
- MJL

See there it is right there. It is completely impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you because all you care about is calling the other person wrong all the time. Yes, I had hoped Fletcher would have done an Yzerman this off-season, given the young crop of promising players and the limited cap space he had. He didn't and he is a laughing stock around the league today. Literally, Detroit, Pittsburgh, probably other local sports papers outwardly mocking the moves Fletcher has made. its not a good feeling as a Flyers fan. But instead of intelligently talking about the current state of the team and where it might go, you instead are completely infatuated with being right and calling others wrong. Like I said, if you say someone sucks long enough, eventually you will be right. But in the end, Fletcher will be just fine, he'll get canned and leave with a boat load of money, while you are I will spend the next decade as Flyers fans with bags over our heads!

I think Hextall was bad, and Fletcher is compounding it. However I don't believe now that Fletcher purposely passed on JG, but instead it was his own cap mismanagement that tied his hands and stopped him from getting an top end forward. Now in the end I did not want the Flyers at this stage to tie up huge cap space on 1 contract like JG, but how Fletcher has used the cap space he did have is indefensible IMO.
- jd250

Fletcher is compounding it? Hextall has the team in good cap position with a good prospect base and was competing for the playoffs. Fletcher has the team capped out with numerous bad contracts at the bottom of the league. What in the hell are you talking about?

Cap space is not the reason JG is not on the Flyers.
- furio16

Of course it is.

Of course it is.
- MJL

No it is not.

Connect the dots. If JG wanted to come here like has been said and if JG was the Flyers plan A like has been said it would have happened. They could have made it work.

You do not sign the small fish before the big fish. Even an incompetent fool like this current GM is aware of this scenario.

The money was there to sign JG. Look at that contract. For whatever reason he went elsewhere. Wasn’t because of the cap.

See there it is right there. It is completely impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you because all you care about is calling the other person wrong all the time. Yes, I had hoped Fletcher would have done an Yzerman this off-season, given the young crop of promising players and the limited cap space he had. He didn't and he is a laughing stock around the league today. Literally, Detroit, Pittsburgh, probably other local sports papers outwardly mocking the moves Fletcher has made. its not a good feeling as a Flyers fan. But instead of intelligently talking about the current state of the team and where it might go, you instead are completely infatuated with being right and calling others wrong. Like I said, if you say someone sucks long enough, eventually you will be right. But in the end, Fletcher will be just fine, he'll get canned and leave with a boat load of money, while you are I will spend the next decade as Flyers fans with bags over our heads!
- jd250

When you start being honest then maybe things will change. You didn't hope. You flat out stated after listening to Fletcher's press conference that he wasn't going to trade future assets to try and win now. You debated it with me multiple times.

Are you seriously accusing another poster of not intelligently discussing the team?


Now you have this spin that I'm just bring negative all the time just to be negative. You don't seem to recall that even early on, when the Flyers had that good run. When they made the big moves. I told you it was the wrong approach. Way before it got to this point.

It's very simple. Learn.

No it is not.

Connect the dots. If JG wanted to come here like has been said and if JG was the Flyers plan A like has been said it would have happened. They could have made it work.

You do not sign the small fish before the big fish. Even an incompetent fool like this current GM is aware of this scenario.

The money was there to sign JG. Look at that contract. For whatever reason he went elsewhere. Wasn’t because of the cap.
- furio16

If they could've made it work, they would've guaranteed signed him. I guess that depends on what your definition of making it work is.


The money was not there.

If they could've made it work, they would've guaranteed signed him. I guess that depends on what your definition of making it work is.


The money was not there.
- MJL

The money was there. Don’t sign Tony D. Don’t sign the other 2 guys. Oskar buyout.

The money was there. Don’t sign Tony D. Don’t sign the other 2 guys. Oskar buyout.
- furio16

You have to fill out a roster. You don't seem to understand that. With the Ellis situation, they need to move JVR to do it. I guess you could say that they could've bit the bullet and given up the draft pick to move him and that's a choice. Technically that would be correct but that falls into the category of you can't do it. At least Fletcher had that much sense.

You have to fill out a roster. You don't seem to understand that. With the Ellis situation, they need to move JVR to do it. I guess you could say that they could've bit the bullet and given up the draft pick to move him and that's a choice. Technically that would be correct but that falls into the category of you can't do it. At least Fletcher had that much sense.
- MJL

Yeah I don’t understand is your go to with everyone it seems.

They money was there as I just showed. Had roughly 11.4 if they don’t sign-those 3 and buyout of Oskar. Easily enough for JG and 2 guys for 800k or so.

They knew the asking price to move JVR well in advance. Also a lame excuse why he wasn’t signed.

They could have signed him and worry about moving out players later in the summer. Not a wise path to take though it is a path that was there was it not?

Yeah I don’t understand is your go to with everyone it seems.

They money was there as I just showed. Had roughly 11.4 if they don’t sign-those 3 and buyout of Oskar. Easily enough for JG and 2 guys for 800k or so.

They knew the asking price to move JVR well in advance. Also a lame excuse why he wasn’t signed.

They could have signed him and worry about moving out players later in the summer. Not a wise path to take though it is a path that was there was it not?

- furio16

Tippet still has to be signed. They'd need a top 4 defenseman. Backup goalie is an issue. With the Flyers tendency to spend and wanting to win now. Wanting to be a cap team that they passed on an elite forward that they could've signed?

Do I have to have the discussion on hoping another team will bail them out later agian? That falls under the can't do it category in my opinion.

Yeah I don’t understand is your go to with everyone it seems.

They money was there as I just showed. Had roughly 11.4 if they don’t sign-those 3 and buyout of Oskar. Easily enough for JG and 2 guys for 800k or so.

They knew the asking price to move JVR well in advance. Also a lame excuse why he wasn’t signed.

They could have signed him and worry about moving out players later in the summer. Not a wise path to take though it is a path that was there was it not?

- furio16

Fletch also talks about guys he didn’t want to move that could have free’d up $. For what ever reason Fletcher “chose” against JG….to suggest otherwise, your just buying into the talking points for Scott and Fletcher.
I guess Fletcher would rather spend a whole bunch of assets and over pay for “B” type players rather then have a gift wrapped elite talent that comes to Philly without trading all your picks to acquire.

Fletcher is compounding it? Hextall has the team in good cap position with a good prospect base and was competing for the playoffs. Fletcher has the team capped out with numerous bad contracts at the bottom of the league. What in the hell are you talking about?

- MJL

Good prospects is a serious stretch.

Good prospects is a serious stretch.
- ClaudeFather

I choked on my coffee on that one.

Good prospects is a serious stretch.
- ClaudeFather

So when Hextall drafted Provorov, Sanheim, Konecny, Farabee and Hart. They weren't good prospects?

See there it is right there. It is completely impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you because all you care about is calling the other person wrong all the time. Yes, I had hoped Fletcher would have done an Yzerman this off-season, given the young crop of promising players and the limited cap space he had. He didn't and he is a laughing stock around the league today. Literally, Detroit, Pittsburgh, probably other local sports papers outwardly mocking the moves Fletcher has made. its not a good feeling as a Flyers fan. But instead of intelligently talking about the current state of the team and where it might go, you instead are completely infatuated with being right and calling others wrong. Like I said, if you say someone sucks long enough, eventually you will be right. But in the end, Fletcher will be just fine, he'll get canned and leave with a boat load of money, while you are I will spend the next decade as Flyers fans with bags over our heads!
- jd250

Why I don’t think the Flyers will fire Fletcher is I think he’s sold his direction to Scott and company about how to get this turned around. It’s only when it fails miserably again this year that he can blame Ellis, or Covid or the next injury that happens. Unfortunately we have to live with yet another year with no real hope.
Will they be better? If Coots and Hayes are healthy…yes. Then we’ll get to hear how things are shaping up and we are headed in the right direction, but the truth will be we still won’t be any closer to being a decent contender which should always be the goal.

So far for next season, we have…

Injuries/rehab:
Ellis
Farabee
Brink

At forward:
JVR-Coots-TK
Laughton-Hayes-Atkinson
N.Cates-Frost-Tippett

Battling for a spot in top 12 and depth/call up…(some could be the extra forward, loaned or waived)
Ratcliffe-Laczynski-Allison
Deslauriers-Brown-Sandin
Hodgson-J.Cates-MacEwen
Willman-Wisdom-Foerster

At defense:
Provy-DeAngelo
Sanheim-Risto
York-Braun

Battling for depth position/call up…(some could be the extra defenseman, loaned or waived)
Seeler-Attard
Zamula-Connauton
Hogberg-Wylie
Ginning-Belpedio

In Goal:
Hart
Battle for backup…(others to the Phantoms)
Sandstrom
Grosenick
Ersson
- NC Flyers Fan

Where is the offense coming from? Konecny and JVR go in prolonged goal scoring slumps. This will be a non competitive team that can't score goals.

Boring, bad, cap strapped with incompetent management. What a franchise!

So when Hextall drafted Provorov, Sanheim, Konecny, Farabee and Hart. They weren't good prospects?
- MJL

Well when are we talking about, kind of figuring those guys are your very underwhelming core. After that the prospect pool was actually a bunch of nothing. We are how many years removed from Hexy and Morgan Frost is still a huge question mark. What other guys are there besides Frost from Hexy with a chance of making an impact at the NHl?

Well when are we talking about, kind of figuring those guys are your very underwhelming core. After that the prospect pool was actually a bunch of nothing. We are how many years removed from Hexy and Morgan Frost is still a huge question mark. What other guys are there besides Frost from Hexy with a chance of making an impact at the NHl?
- ClaudeFather

Hextall hasn't been the GM for 4 years. Now you're asking where are the good prospects from Hextall? That's light years beyond a serious reach. You're also changing the conversation and avoiding that what I stated is factually true.

Hextall hasn't been the GM for 4 years. Now you're asking where are the good prospects from Hextall? That's light years beyond a serious reach. You're also changing the conversation and avoiding that what I stated is factually true.
- MJL

You can call that group you stated whatever you want but it’s a bunch of secondary pieces at the end of the day. You need good players and we don’t have them.

https://detroithockeynow....zerplan-look-ever-better/

This franchise has become the laughingstock of the NHL.
Ol fleece me feltcher makes good GMs look even better

I can't believe how far this franchise has fallen and with nothing to even show for it

It's going to be a season of disappointment. At least we can watch the kids grow and develop. Probably not here, but it'll be nice to see them succeed anyway

You can call that group you stated whatever you want but it’s a bunch of secondary pieces at the end of the day. You need good players and we don’t have them.
- ClaudeFather

Every player I listed is a good player. Changing the subject. What I stated was accurate.

Every player I listed is a good player. Changing the subject. What I stated was accurate.
- MJL

Hextall was garbage, mediocre at best. He just happened to be followed up by possibly the worst GM in history. This is now Fletchers mess 100%. I’m just hoping this upcoming season goes south real fast and the noise is so loud sweeping changes are made.

Hextall was garbage, mediocre at best. He just happened to be followed up by possibly the worst GM in history. This is now Fletchers mess 100%. I’m just hoping this upcoming season goes south real fast and the noise is so loud sweeping changes are made.
- ClaudeFather

Pretty sad when the hope for an upcoming season is exactly that….(frank) it’s mid July and the season already is a write off.