It already is an albatross. He is overpaid by 2-3M easily and why that contract is on just about every list of worse contracts in the league.
- Elbows15

They are saying the same with Werenski and Nurse, who cares. He's twice as good as Murphy defensively. At least with Jones we are getting a good defenseman, Murphys contract is charity.

It'll be comical watching Murphy constantly out of position playing zone defense

They are saying the same with Werenski and Nurse, who cares. He's twice as good as Murphy defensively. At least with Jones we are getting a good defenseman, Murphys contract is charity.
- BetweenTheDots

My bet is that if the Hawks were to shop the two, Murphy and his contract would be far easier to trade, I’m not sure Jones and his contract are tradable unless Chicago retains a good portion of it.

My bet is that if the Hawks were to shop the two, Murphy and his contract would be far easier to trade, I’m not sure Jones and his contract are tradable unless Chicago retains a good portion of it.
- paulr

You could say that about just about any $9.5 player.

There are many ways to accomplish getting to the floor. Its not a reason to keep Jones, imo.
- Elbows15

More overpriced contracts? Who would sign as a FA with the Hawks, except for the Domi's and Athanaseu's of the world on show me contracts ? Based on Kadri not signing yet, because teams do not want to give high draft picks to dump cap, like the Flyers not willing to include their #1 for JVR's contract, how do they get $30 million in cap hit to get to the floor.

They are saying the same with Werenski and Nurse, who cares. He's twice as good as Murphy defensively. At least with Jones we are getting a good defenseman, Murphys contract is charity.

It'll be comical watching Murphy constantly out of position playing zone defense
- BetweenTheDots

Jones is far from good. He gt dummied in the corners constantly. Falls on his ass with no one around him and gives up the blue line like he on piece rate for it.

He is terrible. So is Nurse.

Not on a good team. Could be a reason why he has played on mediocre to bad teams his whole career.
- Elbows15

Or he just hasn't played on a team built to win. I'm not say he is ideal or the best Dman in the game or anything, just that he does his job. Paying a guy for what he is, no biggie.

Jones is far from good. He gt dummied in the corners constantly. Falls on his ass with no one around him and gives up the blue line like he on piece rate for it.

He is terrible. So is Nurse.
- Elbows15

We know you don't like him, but he isn't as bad as you make him out.

More overpriced contracts? Who would sign as a FA with the Hawks, except for the Domi's and Athanaseu's of the world on show me contracts ? Based on Kadri not signing yet, because teams do not want to give high draft picks to dump cap, like the Flyers not willing to include their #1 for JVR's contract, how do they get $30 million in cap hit to get to the floor.
- LAHawk

Trade for bad contracts and get whatever you can for it. Can even take on LTIR contracts. Its not hard. Still not a reason to keep a contract that only gets more difficult to move with each passing year as Jones ages.

Nothing wrong with Jones or his contract. The guy is a 1D and he was signed in his prime to be that. You aren't gonna get a discount on a guy you didn't draft. That's just how the system works.
- breadbag

Only by default.

Or he just hasn't played on a team built to win. I'm not say he is ideal or the best Dman in the game or anything, just that he does his job. Paying a guy for what he is, no biggie.
- breadbag

Or teams thinking he is a #1 D-man and trying to build around him lead to them failing.

Jones is far from good. He gt dummied in the corners constantly. Falls on his ass with no one around him and gives up the blue line like he on piece rate for it.

He is terrible. So is Nurse.
- Elbows15

I guess you didn't watch the games with him and Vlasic, they looked great together.

We know you don't like him, but he isn't as bad as you make him out.
- breadbag

He’s not good.

We know you don't like him, but he isn't as bad as you make him out.
- breadbag

Not is he close to being a #1 on a contending team. He gets secondary assist on the PP. Woohoo.

Not is he close to being a #1 on a contending team. He gets secondary assist on the PP. Woohoo.
- Elbows15

He's better than Hamilton in his own end, hands down. Dougie is a turtle on the ice

He's better than Hamilton in his own end, hands down.
- BetweenTheDots

On a contender, he’s Brian Campbell level good. Not to say they are the same player, just slot wise…Above average as a second pair puck mover, below average as a top pair guy.

I guess you didn't watch the games with him and Vlasic, they looked great together.
- BetweenTheDots

Guess that gives me hope for Vlasic but he was awful with everyone else.

They were not great, tho.

Not is he close to being a #1 on a contending team. He gets secondary assist on the PP. Woohoo.
- Elbows15

https://www.barstoolsport...season-is-just-about-done

His JFresh card looks like he is a #1 defenseman for all those who go strictly by analytics. analytic's

He's better than Hamilton in his own end, hands down. Dougie is a turtle on the ice
- BetweenTheDots

Except Hamilton didn't cost assets to acquire and Hamilton doesn't need 26 minutes a night to produce.

Guess that gives me hope for Vlasic but he was awful with everyone else.

They were not great, tho.
- Elbows15

To me when you only have 1 top 4 dman kind of hard to look good, Vlasic complimented him well, like i though Regula did with McCabe, but Jones and Vlasic looked way better than Regula and McCabe

Except Hamilton didn't cost assets to acquire and Hamilton doesn't need 26 minutes a night to produce.
- Elbows15

I truly think if you flipped Nurse for SJones, he'd be a monster on that team. Also his durability and strength are really really impressive when he can stay upright.

To me when you only have 1 top 4 dman kind of hard to look good, Vlasic complimented him well, like i though Regula did with McCabe, but Jones and Vlasic looked way better than Regula and McCabe
- BetweenTheDots

Its everyone's fault but Jones. Got it.

The Hawks are stuck with him and hopefully some fool of a GM thinks he will be their missing piece. Maybe the Hawks can get a 2nd and a 3rd for him at that time.

Meanwhile I will just laugh every time he falls on his ass.

Its everyone's fault but Jones. Got it.

The Hawks are stuck with him and hopefully some fool of a GM thinks he will be their missing piece. Maybe the Hawks can get a 2nd and a 3rd for him at that time.

Meanwhile I will just laugh every time he falls on his ass.
- Elbows15

No I'm not saying it's everyone else's fault, I'm using the same argument you made for Keith last year or the season before about one player trying to do to much.

I see we disagree which is fine, I'm just looking forward to watching him and Vlasic as pairings to see how that goes.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3415147/lets-re-evaluate-the-seth-jones-now-that-the-season-is-just-about-done

His JFresh card looks like he is a #1 defenseman for all those who go strictly by analytics. analytic's
- LAHawk

LBR wrote about his analytics on SCH. The numbers make him look far better than many here suggest. We either believe in analytics, or we don't, I guess.

To me, he and his contract are far down the list of Hawks' concerns. Of course, trading him is fine by me.

That list is pretty flawed given that a lot don't actually play LW. Does the 4 listed for the Blues really scare anyone?

Saad, Buchevich, Barbashev and some other rummy? I mean is it really a top tier group?
- Elbows15

Looks like the writer got the depth charts off capfriendly. And like I said earlier it's highly subjective. He's probably writing to fill column space during these dog days of the NHL off season.

Its everyone's fault but Jones. Got it.

The Hawks are stuck with him and hopefully some fool of a GM thinks he will be their missing piece. Maybe the Hawks can get a 2nd and a 3rd for him at that time.

Meanwhile I will just laugh every time he falls on his ass.
- Elbows15

If Jones was a free agent at the start of this offseason, he would have been one of the most coveted D-men (if not players) available, and would have gotten the same contract offer from a number of suitors.

Yes, it is a very difficult contract to get rid of, and yes it is wasted/overkill on the Hawks, but he easily would have gotten the same thing on the open market.