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konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Aug 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
I don't know about anyone else but I'm encouraged.
- MJL

Why Sargent?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 19 @ 11:25 AM ET
The Rangers
- BiggE


Leafs and Habs picked #1 recently too. That's the three biggest revenue generating teams in the league.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 19 @ 11:33 AM ET
Is Calgary better or worse after this off-season? I say A LOT worse. This Kadri signing seemed like a pure act of desperation and one they will regret very soon.
- jd250


Slightly better, slighty worse, who knows until the puck drops.

The real point tho is... they were on the edge of the cliff and Treveling pulled off a series of VERY difficult moves to get things back on track.

Contrast that with Chuck, who's spent every last cent and wasted a bunch of draft picks turning a bubble team into a pathetic bottom feeder.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 11:54 AM ET
It’s also a totally different market place currently with the cap. And Carter and Richards were both significantly younger. 26 and 30 is a huge discrepancy in hockey years.
- ClaudeFather

Jeff Carter and Mike Richards also had insanely long deals that would have put them well through the age Couturier is now. If Couturier is the number 1 center many argue him to be and one of the elite two way centers in the league, there is value there for any contending team.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 19 @ 11:56 AM ET
Jeff Carter and Mike Richards also had insanely long deals that would have put them well through the age Couturier is now. If Couturier is the number 1 center many argue him to be and one of the elite two way centers in the league, there is value there for any contending team.
- SuperSchennBros


Coots has a strong bounce back season, is in the Selke conversation and he will have value. There would be a way to trade him and get max value, even if you had to get creative to max the return.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Aug 19 @ 11:56 AM ET
The most frustrating thing about the current Flyers lineup and regime is that if everything goes right, they’ll finish with 88-90 points and both miss the playoffs and not have a chance at a top 2 pick. Finishing 9-10 in the East and 18-20 in the league is the worst thing that could happen.
- BiggE

There is 0 chance they get 88-90 points playing in the East and particularly the Met...All goes well they are a 75 maybe 80 point team. They could easily be a sub 70 point team.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Aug 19 @ 12:10 PM ET
Jeff Carter and Mike Richards also had insanely long deals that would have put them well through the age Couturier is now. If Couturier is the number 1 center many argue him to be and one of the elite two way centers in the league, there is value there for any contending team.
- SuperSchennBros

No contending team will take that Risk until he shows he is healthy and productive.
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

Aug 19 @ 12:15 PM ET
No contending team will take that Risk until he shows he is healthy and productive.
- furio16


1. We can wait and see

2. Or we can argue about it till Oct.

I’m thinking folks here will be choosing #2
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 19 @ 12:20 PM ET
There is 0 chance they get 88-90 points playing in the East and particularly the Met...All goes well they are a 75 maybe 80 point team. They could easily be a sub 70 point team.
- hfc355

It would take a Vezina season from Hart to reach 90 points
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 19 @ 12:38 PM ET
It would take a Vezina season from Hart to reach 90 points
- ClaudeFather


And Torts would win another Jack Adams lol
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Aug 19 @ 12:39 PM ET
I'm not a fan of Chuck but have no problem with him not dealing JVR for the price that it would have taken. Now, most of his moves this summer.....
- rayc16


Giving up a 1st rounder would have been very bad. Protected or not. Ironically, JVR could actually yield as asset or two at the TDL provided he’s healthy and is scoring. That appears to be about the only positive thing he did this summer. But hey, give credit when credit is due
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 19 @ 12:40 PM ET
Bill,

Any updates on ellis? Is he on track to start camp healthy?

- corduroy



rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 19 @ 12:49 PM ET
Giving up a 1st rounder would have been very bad. Protected or not. Ironically, JVR could actually yield as asset or two at the TDL provided he’s healthy and is scoring. That appears to be about the only positive thing he did this summer. But hey, give credit when credit is due
- mikeyo27

I like the coach hiring as well. Then that's about it.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 12:56 PM ET
Do they normally cover stuff from competing media outlets to give them free traffic?

That being said, Im not sure they have ever covered anything from the Athletic.

- MBFlyerfan



The athletic is as legit as the onion.

I mean O’Connor hired at the the athletic. A podcaster.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 12:57 PM ET
Radio silence since the start of July.
- bmeltzer


Still amazing anyone believed he’d be back training in July
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 12:59 PM ET
Maybe I worded my question wrong. Why hasn't any of the csn writers written about how apathetic the fan base seems with this team
- corduroy

Comcast
Sports
Network


See first line
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 1:01 PM ET
If he ever plays again I’ll be surprised, happy for him of course, but very surprised.
- BiggE

He certainly will play again. He never wanted to play in Philly. He will come back and get traded
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 1:02 PM ET
No contending team will take that Risk until he shows he is healthy and productive.
- furio16

No kidding.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 1:04 PM ET
The most frustrating thing about the current Flyers lineup and regime is that if everything goes right, they’ll finish with 88-90 points and both miss the playoffs and not have a chance at a top 2 pick. Finishing 9-10 in the East and 18-20 in the league is the worst thing that could happen.
- BiggE



I’m seriously curious. If everything goes right do you actually think they get close to 88-90 points? I think if that’s the case they might hit 75 points. I see them in the 55-65 point range.

They suck.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 19 @ 1:05 PM ET
He certainly will play again. He never wanted to play in Philly. He will come back and get traded
- Stayin alive


Did you talk to his wife?

So Ellis doesn't want to play in Philly so he figured he would sit out a full season and see what happens? Teams will be lined up to take that contract.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Aug 19 @ 1:10 PM ET
1. We can wait and see

2. Or we can argue about it till Oct.

I’m thinking folks here will be choosing #2

- Joe Nardone

And beat that horse to absolute death!!!
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Aug 19 @ 1:14 PM ET
Giving up a 1st rounder would have been very bad. Protected or not. Ironically, JVR could actually yield as asset or two at the TDL provided he’s healthy and is scoring. That appears to be about the only positive thing he did this summer. But hey, give credit when credit is due
- mikeyo27


Something positive to look forward too for JVR!
Hope he is strong on the PP and resembles anything like a goal scorer who could benefit a team in the hunt.
Maybe there could be a small positive yield.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Aug 19 @ 1:15 PM ET
The athletic is as legit as the onion.

I mean O’Connor hired at the the athletic. A podcaster.

- Stayin alive


Then you should be their rumour insider and oddsmaker
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 19 @ 1:18 PM ET
The athletic is as legit as the onion.

I mean O’Connor hired at the the athletic. A podcaster.

- Stayin alive


And TSN has a prominent contributor who was a former blogger from hockeybuzz, Sportnet broadcasts regularly features a YouTuber, and the Carolina Hurricanes AGM used to blog for BSH.

Get with the times (old) man.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 19 @ 1:33 PM ET
Still amazing anyone believed he’d be back training in July
- Stayin alive



He is never playing again in my opinion.
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