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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 19 @ 1:42 PM ET
Still amazing anyone believed he’d be back training in July
- Stayin alive

Almost as amazing as you being a self proclaimed insider only to have it blow up in your face
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 19 @ 1:43 PM ET
Almost as amazing as you being a self proclaimed insider only to have it blow up in your face
- ClaudeFather



For all intensive purposes you are right.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Aug 19 @ 1:52 PM ET
No kidding.
- SuperSchennBros

Then stop saying he has value.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 19 @ 1:53 PM ET
Then stop saying he has value.
- furio16

😂
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 19 @ 1:55 PM ET
The Kadri signing improves them at center. Most long term UFA signings come with some risk.
-MJL

Before his last season with Colorado (one of the best offensive teams in the league), Kadri's high in points was 61 points. The worst thing I think a team can do is sign a FA who happens to have had a career year the same year he was eligible for free agency. Given what the Flyers are paying Hayes, its not the AAV that I think is out of whack, its the length of the contract. I wonder what teams Calgary was competing against that they had to go to 7 years?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 19 @ 1:56 PM ET
Looks like the 2023 draft will be in Nashville. Will this be where we get to see the Flyers pick 6th after they get screwed on the ping pong balls?
- MBFlyerfan

The annual porking of the ping pong balls
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 1:57 PM ET
He is never playing again in my opinion.
- MBFlyerfan

I’m curious as to why?

They’ve never really come out and said exactly what the injury is. Or surgery needed or timeframe. Neither has Ellis. There’s definitely more to the story
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 19 @ 1:58 PM ET
Before his last season with Colorado (one of the best offensive teams in the league), Kadri's high in points was 61 points. The worst thing I think a team can do is sign a FA who happens to have had a career year the same year he was eligible for free agency. Given what the Flyers are paying Hayes, its not the AAV that I think is out of whack, its the length of the contract. I wonder what teams Calgary was competing against that they had to go to 7 years?
- jd250

It’s free agency dude, he wasn’t signing a short term deal. Are you totally unaware how any of this works?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 19 @ 1:59 PM ET
I’m curious as to why?

They’ve never really come out and said exactly what the injury is. Or surgery needed or timeframe. Neither has Ellis. There’s definitely more to the story

- Stayin alive



My GUESS is that his ailment is degenerative.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 2:00 PM ET
Almost as amazing as you being a self proclaimed insider only to have it blow up in your face
- ClaudeFather

Really? Where’s g playing? Oh forgot about that.

I never said I was an insider. Always just said what was told by people close to me that were credible. One was right the other was also right. Jg would be in Philly if trade went down at draft. As reported by many “in the know” doesn’t mean anything other than that
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Aug 19 @ 2:00 PM ET
Before his last season with Colorado (one of the best offensive teams in the league), Kadri's high in points was 61 points. The worst thing I think a team can do is sign a FA who happens to have had a career year the same year he was eligible for free agency. Given what the Flyers are paying Hayes, its not the AAV that I think is out of whack, its the length of the contract. I wonder what teams Calgary was competing against that they had to go to 7 years?
- jd250

Maybe Kadri himself would only sign if max term.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 19 @ 2:00 PM ET
Slightly better, slighty worse, who knows until the puck drops.

The real point tho is... they were on the edge of the cliff and Treveling pulled off a series of VERY difficult moves to get things back on track.

Contrast that with Chuck, who's spent every last cent and wasted a bunch of draft picks turning a bubble team into a pathetic bottom feeder.

- Tomahawk

Can't argue here. It seems to me that if Aggressive Retool was really the Flyers plan, this off-season was the perfect one to do just that. Either Fletcher totally misread the market or a retool was never really in their plans. However, you don't sign JD and trade for Tony DeAngelo if you want to tank for a top 3 pick either. So the only conclusion I am left with is Fletcher did not have a plan and totally bleeped this thing up!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 19 @ 2:01 PM ET
I’m curious as to why?
- Stayin alive


You answered your own question.

They’ve never really come out and said exactly what the injury is. Or surgery needed or timeframe. Neither has Ellis. There’s definitely more to the story
- Stayin alive

furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Aug 19 @ 2:01 PM ET
I’m curious as to why?

They’ve never really come out and said exactly what the injury is. Or surgery needed or timeframe. Neither has Ellis. There’s definitely more to the story

- Stayin alive

This is the biggest mystery injury in sports history.

I would not discount there is more to it in any way.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 2:02 PM ET
My GUESS is that his ailment is degenerative.
- MBFlyerfan

My GUESS is analglaucoma

He can’t see his ass playing in Philly
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 19 @ 2:03 PM ET
It’s free agency dude, he wasn’t signing a short term deal. Are you totally unaware how any of this works?
- ClaudeFather

Yes, its free agency, and the market dictates what a player's value is. Kadri remained unsigned until now, why is that? That is why I asked the question, who was Calgary competing against that they had to go to 7 years?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 19 @ 2:03 PM ET
Maybe Kadri himself would only sign if max term.
- furio16

But if no team is willing to do that, he signs for what he can get or he sits, right?
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 2:06 PM ET
This is the biggest mystery injury in sports history.

I would not discount there is more to it in any way.

- furio16


Honestly I think he simply didn’t want to leave Nashville. It’s great for hockey players. Good weather low taxes good environment

Obviously he was banged up. Let the body and mind rest and recharge. Let the desire to play heal after going to such poop team. Work way back then request trade.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 19 @ 2:07 PM ET
Really? Where’s g playing? Oh forgot about that.

I never said I was an insider. Always just said what was told by people close to me that were credible. One was right the other was also right. Jg would be in Philly if trade went down at draft. As reported by many “in the know” doesn’t mean anything other than that

- Stayin alive


So you guessed correctly on something that the entire hockey world was also speculating was a possibility with regards to Giroux?

You posted that Gaudreau to the Flyers was a done deal.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Aug 19 @ 2:07 PM ET
Can't argue here. It seems to me that if Aggressive Retool was really the Flyers plan, this off-season was the perfect one to do just that. Either Fletcher totally misread the market or a retool was never really in their plans. However, you don't sign JD and trade for Tony DeAngelo if you want to tank for a top 3 pick either. So the only conclusion I am left with is Fletcher did not have a plan and totally bleeped this thing up!
- jd250

His plan was blown up when draft day trade didn’t happen. There was no plan b or c or d
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 19 @ 2:08 PM ET
For all intensive purposes you are right.
- MBFlyerfan

*intents and purposes

Yeah, I was that guy. Sorry.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Aug 19 @ 2:08 PM ET
Can't argue here. It seems to me that if Aggressive Retool was really the Flyers plan, this off-season was the perfect one to do just that. Either Fletcher totally misread the market or a retool was never really in their plans. However, you don't sign JD and trade for Tony DeAngelo if you want to tank for a top 3 pick either. So the only conclusion I am left with is Fletcher did not have a plan and totally bleeped this thing up!
- jd250

I assume you mean ND. Actually some may argue that's exactly who you sign. Not as an outrageous thought as you may think initially.

He has no plan. That is confirmed.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 19 @ 2:09 PM ET


Obviously he was banged up. Let the body and mind rest and recharge. Let the desire to play heal after going to such poop team. Work way back then request trade.

- Stayin alive


Are you saying that he could've played last year if he wanted to?
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Aug 19 @ 2:10 PM ET
Yes, its free agency, and the market dictates what a player's value is. Kadri remained unsigned until now, why is that? That is why I asked the question, who was Calgary competing against that they had to go to 7 years?
- jd250


I think it is more about the total dollar value. Would you rather pay $49mil over 5 years or 7 years? If some team was willing to pay that over 5 years he would have signed there.
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 19 @ 2:11 PM ET
*intents and purposes

Yeah, I was that guy. Sorry.

- Hesh_

MBFlyerfan was being that guy as well
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