Not to mention what those 2nd’s were spent on…we have a 27 yr old, physical #4 RHD for five years and a 26 yr old, offensive top-4 RHD for two years. No room.
- NC Flyers Fan

No cap space
No 2nd to trade
No roster room due to mediocre players already taking up space.

Perfect.

No cap space
No 2nd to trade
No roster room due to mediocre players already taking up space.

Perfect.
- MJL

Tough ask for any cheerfulness. It isn’t those players fault either, maybe they both have career years. That would be something.

No cap space
No 2nd to trade
No roster room due to mediocre players already taking up space.

Perfect.
- MJL

Can I add …
Horrible untradeable contracts? Ie coots

Can I add …
Horrible untradeable contracts? Ie coots
- Stayin alive

Least of the contract issues for the next 5 years at least. Really looking for a healthy year from him would go a ways towards optimism. They need a foundation and at least a few quality players to build around.

Can I add …
Horrible untradeable contracts? Ie coots
- Stayin alive

Couturier's contract is not a horrible contract. It won't be that no matter how many times you post it.

Couturier's contract is not a horrible contract. It won't be that no matter how many times you post it.
- MJL

And it is a horrible contract no matter how many times you say it isn’t🤷‍♂️

And it is a horrible contract no matter how many times you say it isn’t🤷‍♂️
- Stayin alive

Maybe in your fantasy world but 7.75M a year for a Selke level 1C is not a horrible contract.

Couturier's contract is not a horrible contract. It won't be that no matter how many times you post it.
- MJL

A 30 year old player coming off back surgery that was never the fleetest of skaters STARTING an 8 year contract? What kind of crystal ball do you have that indicates that this won't turn out to be a horrible contract? Inquiring minds want to know. FIRE CHUCK! Thanks!

Maybe in your fantasy world but 7.75M a year for a Selke level 1C is not a horrible contract.
- MJL

Yep. Sure. Put him on a cup level team and he’s a 2c at best. Possibly a 3c. And sorry he hasn’t played at a selke level in YEARS. he a good player. Keep dying on that hill tho. Not to worry. Philly will have him for a longggg time for you to defend him. And they’ll suck for a long time. You’re absolutely at bottom of credibility if you think his contract is anything other than a disaster. Honestly I expect way more from the resident cap expert.

A 30 year old player coming off back surgery that was never the fleetest of skaters STARTING an 8 year contract? What kind of crystal ball do you have that indicates that this won't turn out to be a horrible contract? Inquiring minds want to know. FIRE CHUCK! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Also recent knee surgery. 10+ Years of very hard miles on body. What could possibly go wrong. I mean assuming he plays the contract out that quite the career. Almost 20 year career. Yeah those usually go well very excited to have him locked up 🙄 very glad we didn’t move him for assets to help rebuild this team when we had the chance 🙄

A 30 year old player coming off back surgery that was never the fleetest of skaters STARTING an 8 year contract? What kind of crystal ball do you have that indicates that this won't turn out to be a horrible contract? Inquiring minds want to know. FIRE CHUCK! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

What kind of crystal ball do you have that it will? By all reports, Couturier has recovered fine and was skating at the end of last season. There is always some risk with signing a player to a long term deal.

Yep. Sure. Put him on a cup level team and he’s a 2c at best. Possibly a 3c. And sorry he hasn’t played at a selke level in YEARS. he a good player. Keep dying on that hill tho. Not to worry. Philly will have him for a longggg time for you to defend him. And they’ll suck for a long time. You’re absolutely at bottom of credibility if you think his contract is anything other than a disaster. Honestly I expect way more from the resident cap expert.
- Stayin alive

Nothing in your reply but hyperbole and rhetoric and it's exactly what I would expect from you.

If you put him on a cup level team. He's a player that the coach is playing 20 minutes a game in all situations against the opposition top players.

Is an unmovable contract a bad contract?

Is an unmovable contract a bad contract?
- furio16

No. If you get adequate or better player production/value for cost then it is a good contract even if unmovable.

No. If you get adequate or better player production/value for cost then it is a good contract even if unmovable.
- NC Flyers Fan

What type of production do you expect from Hayes and Couturier going forward?

Do the Flyers have any great contracts on the books?

What kind of crystal ball do you have that it will? By all reports, Couturier has recovered fine and was skating at the end of last season. There is always some risk with signing a player to a long term deal.
- MJL

I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm not the one claiming that this absolutely won't be a horrible contract. I don't think anyone can say either way. Personally, I don't like it at all. Of course Couturier is healthy right now. He hasn't taken a hit in 8 months or whatever. It's one thing to sign a top line player in his mid 20's to a long term deal, but quite another to sign one that is 30 with lots of miles on his body coming off back surgery no less. I don't see this turning out well, but we shall see.

What type of production do you expect from Hayes and Couturier going forward?

Do the Flyers have any great contracts on the books?
- furio16

1) I am not going to argue for the Hayes contract because IMO it was an overpay from the start. As far as his production, I would rather wait and see how he does under Torts.
For Coots, I expect an elite 2-way center with just under a point per game production average over the next 5 years.

2) The Flyers have some potential great contracts, it will as it always does depend on the player production to make it so. Farabee’s is the most notable of those being six years.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm not the one claiming that this absolutely won't be a horrible contract. I don't think anyone can say either way. Personally, I don't like it at all. Of course Couturier is healthy right now. He hasn't taken a hit in 8 months or whatever. It's one thing to sign a top line player in his mid 20's to a long term deal, but quite another to sign one that is 30 with lots of miles on his body coming off back surgery no less. I don't see this turning out well, but we shall see.
- Phillywhiteout

You state that you don't think anyone can say either way. Then go on to say you don't see this turning out well.


Like I said previously, there is always some risk in signing a player to a long term deal. Doesn't change that 7.75M for a player of Couturier's caliber is a really good deal.

“As far as the room, I have major concerns about the room,” said Tortorella.

“I’ve spent the summer going back and forth — I live in New York and I go back and forth to Philly trying to relocate there, but spent some time in the office talking to players, talking to personnel, talking to Chuck (Fletcher), all the front office, and I have major concerns about what goes on in there. Before we even step onto the ice, situations and standards and accountability in the room is forefront, and you can’t get squat done on the ice until you get your room straightened out, and I think we have a little bit of work to do there.”

Thanks Torts was stating what I have known and stated for a few years now! For those of you who don't believe culture, identity and accountability matters on a team, I don't know what more I can say except you are just wrong!

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1) I am not going to argue for the Hayes contract because IMO it was an overpay from the start. As far as his production, I would rather wait and see how he does under Torts.
For Coots, I expect an elite 2-way center with just under a point per game production average over the next 5 years.

2) The Flyers have some potential great contracts, it will as it always does depend on the player production to make it so. Farabee’s is the most notable of those being six years.
- NC Flyers Fan

Less Farabee (I am not sold), who else has potential to be a great contract? I am not seeing anyone with a great contract.

Hayes I expect 40-50 points. That is what he has produced in the past. Would be shocked if any uptick over that.

Thanks Torts was stating what I have known and stated for a few years now! For those of you who don't believe culture, identity and accountability matters on a team, I don't know what more I can say except you are just wrong!
- jd250

The leftover stench from country clubbers Voracek and Giroux.

Nothing in your reply but hyperbole and rhetoric and it's exactly what I would expect from you.

If you put him on a cup level team. He's a player that the coach is playing 20 minutes a game in all situations against the opposition top players.
- MJL

Really? If he was on just last years cup finals teams where o
Would he slot? On either team? You obviously don’t know a think about todays nhl. Cup level teams don’t just throw a coots out there 20 minutes a game against the other teams top players. THE TOP PLAYERS HAVE TO MANO O MANO DURING GAME. Coots would slot over Big Mac/kadri? Tampas Players? You gonna take ice time away from any of those for coots? You’re nuts. He’d be a 15-18 minute 3c 2nd pp player. Leader on pk that’s what he’d be.


And you’d be absolutely insane to sign him for 8 years at almost 8 mil per at age 30.

You state that you don't think anyone can say either way. Then go on to say you don't see this turning out well.


Like I said previously, there is always some risk in signing a player to a long term deal. Doesn't change that 7.75M for a player of Couturier's caliber is a really good deal.
- MJL

I guess you are missing my point. You seem adamant that it will turn out well while I'm very suspicious of this deal. You are focused on the AAV and I am focused on the term.

No cap space
No 2nd to trade
No roster room due to mediocre players already taking up space.

Perfect.
- MJL

chuckles is dave scott's guy -- he knows what he is doing