As a player that is not likely to be a player that contributes strongly in other areas. I'd like to see more point production than that out of a 1st round pick.
- MJL

Agreed, but i have lowered my expectations for him. Hopefully I’m wrong. Not sure why anyone is comparing a player in his exact draft spot, totally irrelevant. The talent that he showed post draft, and skill set, folks were very high on him and expectations grew. They’ve obviously stalled a bit the last couple of years.

Just going back to 2010

2010 Mark Visentin 1 game played total
2011 Vlad Namestikov 236 points in 10 seasons
2012 Henrick Samuelson 3 game splayed
2013 Marko Dano 45 points in 141 games
2014 Nikolay Goldobin 46 points in 125 games
2015 Jacob Larsson 24 points in 165 games
2016 Brett Howden 69 points in 225 games
2017 Morgan Frost 23 points in 77 games
2018 Nicolas Beaudin 6 points in 22 games
2019 Nolan Foote 6 points in 13 games
2020 Jacob Perreault 1 game played
2021 no games played
2022 no games played


Maybe we need to temper our expectations a bit.
- MBFlyerfan

To be fair, I don't think expectations of Frost are really based on his draft position.

More what he did in his D+1 and D+2 seasons, and how he looked w/ the Phantoms and the Flyers before he got his shoulder dinged.

Agreed, but i have lowered my expectations for him. Hopefully I’m wrong. Not sure why anyone is comparing a player in his exact draft spot, totally irrelevant. The talent that he showed post draft, and skill set, folks were very high on him and expectations grew. They’ve obviously stalled a bit the last couple of years.
- ClaudeFather

I personally don't see any reason to lower expectations at this point. I'm not saying I want 70 points out of him this season. However I would like to ultimately see him become a higher point producer than 40-45 a season in the end.

I personally don't see any reason to lower expectations at this point. I'm not saying I want 70 points out of him this season. However I would like to ultimately see him become a higher point producer than 40-45 a season in the end.
- MJL

So you think 40 + points this season is realistic. Then what is your expectation point wise for his likely line mates Tippet and Cates?

Rather be dead then red in the head. He is an ugly guy.
- furio16

Okay... no one asked you to have sex with him.

It would've been completely stupid for the Flyers to have jettisoned either player. With the lack of talent, there would be no reason to do so.
- MJL

Yes because either player makes absolutely any difference at all on this team.

Would you rather take the chance to play Tanner or play Brown? Knowing what type of season this is very likely going to be.
- furio16

Sorry about the delay. Here’s what I think.

I don’t think we’re married to Patrick Brown or Zach MacEwen. Unfortunately I can’t say the same about “enforcer” Nick Deslauriers who couldn’t even properly beat up Nick Seeler last season. So any fourth line the Flyers put on the ice this coming season will have Deslauriers on it.

I think you’re right when you say Tanner Laczynski probably won’t get a fair shake at making the team but where I think we differ, you can’t just hand Laczynski or anyone else a spot, they have to earn it in camp. They have to force the issue. We already know Wade Allison is a better player than Zach MacEwen but Allison can’t stay healthy. Both Allison and Laczynski are gonna have to force the issue. Again I don’t know if Laczynski is better than Brown by an inch or a mile. I don’t think age really matters in this case. Each player have to prove they belong and since both Brown and make next to nothing, placing either guy on waivers should be a big deal.

Yes because either player makes absolutely any difference at all on this team.
- Stayin alive

That doesn't make sense. What is your definition of a player that makes a difference?

It would really be nice to put Allison's heart in Frost's body. Perhaps Frost would have a fighting chance at the NHL level if he had the compete level of Allison for those that aren't gettin my hint. Thanks!

That doesn't make sense. What is your definition of a player that makes a difference?
- MJL

On this team? Well pretty simple. If you’re team blow it up it makes no difference with these middling players what they do. It’s a useless topic. It means nothing. Who cares if he plays. If he can be moved for anything he should be jettisoned. Just replace with another body to play. Who cares. Same difference. Until they obtain some elite talent it matters not.

Sorry about the delay. Here’s what I think.

I don’t think we’re married to Patrick Brown or Zach MacEwen. Unfortunately I can’t say the same about “enforcer” Nick Deslauriers who couldn’t even properly beat up Nick Seeler last season. So any fourth line the Flyers put on the ice this coming season will have Deslauriers on it.

This you’re right when you say Tanner Laczynski probably won’t get a fair shake at making the team but where I think we differ, you can’t just hand Laczynski or anyone else a spot, they have to earn it in camp. They have to force the issue. We already know Wade Allison is a better player than Zach MacEwen but Allison can’t stay healthy. Both Allison and Laczynski are gonna have to force the issue. Again I don’t know if Laczynski is better than Brown by an inch or a mile. I don’t think age really matters in this case. Each player have to prove they belong and since both Brown and make next to nothing, placing either guy on waivers should be a big deal.
- SuperSchennBros

Apology not needed.

ZM and Brown are the incumbents. Therefore imo they will have to be severely outplayed to Laos their spot. Simply outplaying them won’t cut it imo. 100% correct on ND.

Unless Tanner and Wade completely crap the bed I absolutely give them the job over the other 2. Based on the fact they still have potential. The other 2 not. They need to be evaluated at the NHL level to see if they can be cheap pieces going forward.

On this team? Well pretty simple. If you’re team blow it up it makes no difference with these middling players what they do. It’s a useless topic. It means nothing. Who cares if he plays. If he can be moved for anything he should be jettisoned. Just replace with another body to play. Who cares. Same difference. Until they obtain some elite talent it matters not.
- Stayin alive

Your comment lacks common sense. What are you going to get for a player like Allison? What is the downside? There is none. Your not going to have a team full of elite players. Moving Allison is not going to help you get elite players. If he has the potential to be a solid 3rd line winger who can pot 20 goals. Why would you just jettison that player? He's 24 and within your suggested prime range of age. We don't know what kind of player he is to this point. There is no downside to keeping him around. Your who cares if he plays comment points to a lack of intelligent thought. You need talent and depth through the lineup.

Your comment lacks common sense. What are you going to get for a player like Allison? What is the downside? There is none. Your not going to have a team full of elite players. Moving Allison is not going to help you get elite players. If he has the potential to be a solid 3rd line winger who can pot 20 goals. Why would you just jettison that player? He's 24 and within your suggested prime range of age. We don't know what kind of player he is to this point. There is no downside to keeping him around. Your who cares if he plays comment points to a lack of intelligent thought. You need talent and depth through the lineup.
- MJL

Stop, you are making too much sense. Not sure that is allowed on this site.

Your comment lacks common sense. What are you going to get for a player like Allison? What is the downside? There is none. Your not going to have a team full of elite players. Moving Allison is not going to help you get elite players. If he has the potential to be a solid 3rd line winger who can pot 20 goals. Why would you just jettison that player? He's 24 and within your suggested prime range of age. We don't know what kind of player he is to this point. There is no downside to keeping him around. Your who cares if he plays comment points to a lack of intelligent thought. You need talent and depth through the lineup.
- MJL

Yes if there was any chance of getting elite talent or elite talent in pipeline I agreee.


Try to understand here. I can’t make it clearer. On this team nothing matters. Because they suck so bad and have no idea how to get elite talent. They are so irrelevant and will be until they purge front office the players like allison mean absolutely nothing. They don’t equate at all

I just read the blog. A haiku summary

A plane crash
and then 9/11
tone set for camp

To be fair, I don't think expectations of Frost are really based on his draft position.

More what he did in his D+1 and D+2 seasons, and how he looked w/ the Phantoms and the Flyers before he got his shoulder dinged.
- Tomahawk

Trust the market, bruh.
The market is set by scouts, analytic analysts, GM, FO staff
Largely ratified by columnists
All of whom get paid to do what they do for a living.
And whaddya verdict did market give? Frost is a late round talent.

And on the basis of his subsequent seasons in minors, you think you can beat the market by saying it undervalued him?

You think you special?
You think you know more?
Do you know how many funds try to beat the index?

well FU Tommyhawk

I just want to put this out there. Ivan Fetitov the Russian goalie that Fletcher signed over the summer just signed a 3 year contract with a Russian team in their league over there. This gets him out of his military service obligation but he has to play in Russia for 3 more years.Then if the Flyers want him they could sign him

Yes because either player makes absolutely any difference at all on this team.
- Stayin alive

For all intensive purposes I agree with this.

Either of them could make any difference.

I just want to put this out there. Ivan Fetitov the Russian goalie that Fletcher signed over the summer just signed a 3 year contract with a Russian team in their league over there. This gets him out of his military service obligation but he has to play in Russia for 3 more years.Then if the Flyers want him they could sign him
- jimbass1

I heard the Moscow hockey team denied that he signed a contract.

Yes if there was any chance of getting elite talent or elite talent in pipeline I agreee.


Try to understand here. I can’t make it clearer. On this team nothing matters. Because they suck so bad and have no idea how to get elite talent. They are so irrelevant and will be until they purge front office the players like allison mean absolutely nothing. They don’t equate at all
- Stayin alive

I don't disagree that Flyers management is incompetent. However that doesn't mean that you should just jettison talented players because they don't have the potential to be elite or because you don't have elite players. They do matter.

Interesting interview with Torts today on the NHL channel. He seemed to want to talk more about off ice issues like problems in “the room”, the medical staff and the way “things are done” by the organization. He says all these issues must be resolved first before any progress could happen on the ice. It was a bit surprising actually.

Interesting interview with Torts today on the NHL channel. He seemed to want to talk more about off ice issues like problems in “the room”, the medical staff and the way “things are done” by the organization. He says all these issues must be resolved first before any progress could happen on the ice. It was a bit surprising actually.
- Djapana

Seems completely sensible. Amen

I just want to put this out there. Ivan Fetitov the Russian goalie that Fletcher signed over the summer just signed a 3 year contract with a Russian team in their league over there. This gets him out of his military service obligation but he has to play in Russia for 3 more years.Then if the Flyers want him they could sign him
- jimbass1

This has been debunked as fake news by CSKA. Fedotov’s hearing is scheduled for 9/20. Perhaps then there will be a decision on his situation.

Just saw this elsewhere and thought it was noteworthy cause it's a bit of a surprise, but the Flyers are on 13 national broadcasts this upcoming season. Really a shame that the national media still wants to broadcast this team despite how poorly they are run. Philly is a great hockey town and deserves a real hockey team. FIRE CHUCK!

On another note I see that the season opener will NOT be broadcast locally unless you have ESPN+/Hulu. WTF!

Just saw this elsewhere and thought it was noteworthy cause it's a bit of a surprise, but the Flyers are on 13 national broadcasts this upcoming season. Really a shame that the national media still wants to broadcast this team despite how poorly they are run. Philly is a great hockey town and deserves a real hockey team. FIRE CHUCK!

On another note I see that the season opener will NOT be broadcast locally unless you have ESPN+/Hulu. WTF!
- Phillywhiteout

I wonder if fans want to see the Florida Panthers nationally? Think about it. They were bad forever, playing in an empty building. Now they’re good, with legitimate star power and playing in an empty building. Are they NBC worthy?