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Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Sep 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
Since they announced Ellis is done for the year and once Couturier's second opinion comes back grim, because why wouldn't it, I bet Fletcher makes it through the year with more blame on injuries and bad luck.
- TobyFlenderson


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furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 22 @ 11:12 AM ET
Trying to find some positives. Lot of kids that seemed to plateau over the last few years do have a legit chance. If your into your 20’s and been a pro for a few seasons it’s time…some, (most) have had injuries so now that they are healthy let’s see what we got. If you can’t beat out guys like Brown, MacEwen and Anisamov then you probably aren’t going to be a regular NHL’er at any time.
- landros 2

What happens when you are not given a legit opportunity to beat them out?
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Sep 22 @ 11:13 AM ET
Its worse than that, Ellis' career is probably over. This makes the DeAngelo signing seem much more sensible. The only silver lining here for the Flyers is they can at some point trade Ellis' contract to a team that needs to get to the cap floor, as they have done in the past. Ellis' cap hit would be nice to get back for future use. Still, I feel awful for Ellis and the Flyers, he would have been a great defenseman for the Flyers.
- jd250

The absolute worst thing this Flyers management can possess is cap space.....
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 22 @ 11:14 AM ET
I just read that McCrossin and Raffa dropped their lawsuit. They are both still employed by the Flyers/Comcast, but it sounds like McCrossin’s is now a “senior advisor “, which I guess means he still collects a salary and benefits and gets to hang out with Clarkie. The Flyers also announced they hired a new head athletic trainer, and physical therapist/rehab coordinator who I guess take over McCrossin and Raffa’s jobs? I hope the both got BIG payouts.
- Dkos

For real? That is awesome if true. Guy did a bad job in his area of expertise.

Now doing right by him with benefits and the like, maybe a job for life is commendable.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Sep 22 @ 11:17 AM ET

So Brown had off-season back surgery and is week-to-week. I didn’t see any mention of when exactly. I guess this is the reason for the Anisimov PTO.

wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Sep 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
It's very obvious Fletch knew this all along. He spent money like it was always the case, that he always had that LTIR money available. If there was any chance Ellis could come back and back them into that bad of a cap situation he wouldn't have signed DeAngelo or Deslauriers.

Ellis was never playing and his career is over.

- MBFlyerfan


agree but the last part is the part that has to be frustrating. Players just don't give up, I fear that CF does not know beyond this season.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 22 @ 11:24 AM ET
Then you have Vancouver...
- Tomahawk

Vancouver came in between.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Sep 22 @ 11:32 AM ET
The absolute worst thing this Flyers management can possess is cap space.....
- mr4tno


If your not picking the best players …then that’s an organizational failure. If that happens it’s pretty hard to be a winner. Winning teams pick the best players.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 22 @ 11:32 AM ET
What I’m hoping to see from tho coaching staff is handing out “defined“ roles, starting with Morgan Frost. Whether you have faith in him or not, he has ability. He’s the only pure playmaker we have. I’d put him in the top six and play him like he’s a ten year vet. I’d probably play him with Atkinson who is a pure shooter. There is no reason to complicate things. Stick these guys into familiar roles and run with it.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Sep 22 @ 11:33 AM ET
I’m with you. How in the world is this team not embracing tanking the next few years. It’s literally falling in their lap and this jack off of a GM hires Torts to try and eek out wins
- ClaudeFather

We were headed for a very obvious tank. And not just a one year tank but probably a good 3 years of sucking. Then Chuck goes out and hires the only coach who can probably single handily stop the tank from continuing..
Chuck can literally do nothing right. Not a damn thing. Every move he makes is the wrong move, which is exactly how we got here to this point.
Just imagine the jubilation of this fan base the day that they announce that Chuck has been let go
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Sep 22 @ 11:35 AM ET
And where is our 2022 first round pick Cutter?
Did I miss him already being hurt and also no mention in rookie camp
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Sep 22 @ 11:37 AM ET
With the stellar results he enjoyed in Minnesota, who could have seen this coming?
- PLindbergh31

He was a questionable hire from day 1.
I was still bummed when they didn't hire Zito as the next GM. It makes you wonder where this franchise could be today if they hired the right person
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Sep 22 @ 11:40 AM ET
And where is our 2022 first round pick Cutter?
Did I miss him already being hurt and also no mention in rookie camp

- konalover711

He is playing in college. I don't think he is allowed to attend these camps bc of rules and shyte
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 22 @ 11:42 AM ET
Any other pro sports franchise would’ve fired Fletch by now. It’s just comical at this point.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 22 @ 11:51 AM ET
Any other pro sports franchise would’ve fired Fletch by now. It’s just comical at this point.
- hereticpride

He has been here almost s long as the prior GM. Let that sink in.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Sep 22 @ 11:51 AM ET
He is playing in college. I don't think he is allowed to attend these camps bc of rules and shyte
- Bob Habib



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Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Sep 22 @ 11:52 AM ET
We were headed for a very obvious tank. And not just a one year tank but probably a good 3 years of sucking. Then Chuck goes out and hires the only coach who can probably single handily stop the tank from continuing..
Chuck can literally do nothing right. Not a damn thing. Every move he makes is the wrong move, which is exactly how we got here to this point.
Just imagine the jubilation of this fan base the day that they announce that Chuck has been let go

- Bob Habib


Torts isn't going to make a bit of difference except for more exciting press conferences. The Flyers have more veteran grinders on one way contracts than they do young top 6 players, no elite talent, one of the most overpaid defensive corps in the league, and no backup goalie. All the yelling in the world won't change that.

Who is the Flyers best player on opening night? Hayes? ROFL. He get's paid like a first line player, to bad he isn't one. Any bets on how many games he plays this year?




Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Sep 22 @ 11:57 AM ET
He has been here almost s long as the prior GM. Let that sink in.
- furio16


Fletch could urinate on the Flyers logo at center ice during the opening faceoff and he wouldn't go anywhere. He's buddies with Clarke and now with Scott. The worst that will happen is they shuffle some titles and he keeps his second title of President of hockey operations, makes the same money, and faces less scrutiny while continuing to dismantle the Flyers.

Whether you like or dislike Hextall he was never given the security that Fletch enjoys.

corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM ET
And where is our 2022 first round pick Cutter?
Did I miss him already being hurt and also no mention in rookie camp

- konalover711


NCAA rules I think
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 22 @ 12:01 PM ET
Fletch could urinate on the Flyers logo at center ice during the opening faceoff and he wouldn't go anywhere. He's buddies with Clarke and now with Scott. The worst that will happen is they shuffle some titles and he keeps his second title of President of hockey operations, makes the same money, and faces less scrutiny while continuing to dismantle the Flyers.

Whether you like or dislike Hextall he was never given the security that Fletch enjoys.

- Flyers_01



hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 22 @ 12:02 PM ET
Fletch could urinate on the Flyers logo at center ice during the opening faceoff and he wouldn't go anywhere. He's buddies with Clarke and now with Scott. The worst that will happen is they shuffle some titles and he keeps his second title of President of hockey operations, makes the same money, and faces less scrutiny while continuing to dismantle the Flyers.

Whether you like or dislike Hextall he was never given the security that Fletch enjoys.

- Flyers_01

Yup. This group is just robbing Comcast at this point. Complete incompetence everywhere you look.

I strongly believe Torts will end up leaving by his own decision
DANCER
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2019

Sep 22 @ 12:05 PM ET
It'll take at least three years till this will even start to turn around. Fletcher and Torts wil be long gone. It can be fun to watch a team start from the bottom and work their way up. Any chance Jagr wants to play one more NHL season?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 22 @ 12:07 PM ET
Thanks! Why is Patrick Brown missing?
- NC Flyers Fan


Off-season back surgery.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Sep 22 @ 12:09 PM ET
Career-ending injuries should be removeable from cap considerations.
- Scoob


Agree.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 22 @ 12:10 PM ET
And where is our 2022 first round pick Cutter?
Did I miss him already being hurt and also no mention in rookie camp

- konalover711


He's in college. Once again, NCAA rules prohibit a player from attending a pro camp that overlaps with any semester in which an athlete is registered for classes.

This seems to come up over and over. I did an FAQ article on the FLyers site some years ago about the complex set of rules governing camp attendance.

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