I think Attard just needs a bit more seasoning….I think Zamula is there. Not sure things, but it depends on what this years about. Growth and development or trying to squeeze out 10 more points.
- landros 2

There’s really only one spot available and It’s Yorks to lose. I don’t think it will hurt either guy to be in the AHL, Attard is not even close to being ready.

Really hope Zamula cam play the Right side. Left is full as of now. Would be better for all if he can transition to that side.

Bill is this something they are even considering?

Agreed. I hope he can replicate it. As I remember, the success came while he was paired with RR. I wonder if it took time for them to gel and now we'll see what we say at the end of the season with Sanheim coming into his own? We're going to need it with what I foresee happening with the 1D pair.
- Hextall271

I think they were a decent pair by the end of the year. I think RR settled in after having some inconsistency to his games early on. I know it’s not a popular view but I think RR is a legit top 4 d man. I was a little disappointed in his offensive out put, but liked the physicality. I think in the right structure he can be better as well. We’ll see what this year brings.

There’s really only one spot available and It’s Yorks to lose. I don’t think it will hurt either guy to be in the AHL, Attard is not even close to being ready.
- ClaudeFather

unless there’s injuries or trades your correct.

With York, Zamula and Attard expecting to make the big club at some point in a year or two, the Flyers either have to trade a player to resign Sanheim or they have to trade Sanheim. The Flyers currently have too much tied up in their defense with Ellis, DeAngelo, Provey and Risto accounting for roughly $20M in cap space. Sanheim IMO is not good in his own end and though he rushes the puck well, how many of those rushes ends up in the back of the other team's net? Just not worth the $6M+ he will command in the open market IMO. Thus, I would rather the Flyers trade Sanheim at this year's deadline and hopefully get some good 2023 draft capital.
- jd250

The issue is that chuckles invested over 10M in cap space to TDA and risto, along with the assets traded acquire those players

Provorov is the best dman without a doubt for me. Sanheim should not even be on a pp unit imo. You got DeAngelo, Provorov and York ahead of him. Down the road York will hopefully be the pp dman for the Flyers.

I think they were a decent pair by the end of the year. I think RR settled in after having some inconsistency to his games early on. I know it’s not a popular view but I think RR is a legit top 4 d man. I was a little disappointed in his offensive out put, but liked the physicality. I think in the right structure he can be better as well. We’ll see what this year brings.
- landros 2

Yeah. I don't hate his game TBH as long as he doesn't run around looking for a hit. I think his O stats were skewed a bit in his time with Buffalo as I am certain he was getting big PP time and more overall minutes. Regardless, I don't think he's going to contribute much on O.

There is no one this team can’t afford to lose. Why? Because, even if they are healthy they are a mediocre team with almost zero shot at making the playoffs.

Provorov is the best dman without a doubt for me. Sanheim should not even be on a pp unit imo. You got DeAngelo, Provorov and York ahead of him. Down the road York will hopefully be the pp dman for the Flyers.
- joegreif17

You know, I'm a fan of Provy but does he have more? He progressed so quickly early on that I thought he was a legit 1 Dman in the league but he has regressed a bit IMO. Does he need a top dman with him to flourish or are his struggles a reflection of overall team struggles?

York is on the team already. Zamula and especially Attard are far from a sure thing making the big club.
- ClaudeFather

The future is bright for Cam York. Torts will make this guy a good first round pick. He has the tools and just needs to get some game experience.

You know, I'm a fan of Provy but does he have more? He progressed so quickly early on that I thought he was a legit 1 Dman in the league but he has regressed a bit IMO. Does he need a top dman with him to flourish or are his struggles a reflection of overall team struggles?
- Hextall271

I think Provy just needs better support in all areas. The team is not good and he has to continuously be the last line of defence. He kill penalties, blocks shots, durable and does it all. I would venture to say if he was playing in say Colorado he would be a stud racking up 50-65 points annually. It is hard to get points with a team so weak.

Hart hurt after a minor collision?

Awesome.

That makes me feel totally secure he can handle the load.

It's great he as tough as tissue,
bodes well for a lottery pick.

Well have to see, but with Ellis out all year I think we’re a bottom 5 team. Kids could step up and torts may be able to coax some extra out of them but I think we’ll be in that Zone By Black Friday.

To me it’s the issues with d. Without Ellis you’ve got tda playing all kinds and likely on the top pair. I envision large swaths of time hemmed in our zone with our g under sever pressure. That’ll lead to a high lottery pick
- Hextall271

That's essentially what happened last season. If Torts can install this defense-first approach, I think our forwards help the d out more than in past. That should help overcome some of the d let downs. I'm by no means saying we are going to be a top team, especially with the Metro pretty stacked. I just don't think will be as bad as people are saying.

unless there’s injuries or trades your correct.
- landros 2

Hmmmmm. that's a tough one to foresee....

The issue is that chuckles invested over 10M in cap space to TDA and risto, along with the assets traded acquire those players
- corduroy

I think DeAngelo will silence some of the haters on here but he is a force on the powerplay. Personally I really like him and have watched him closely in NY and Carolina since I own him in keepers. He is mobile and creative and can only make the pp better. On D he is better than some say but only average. I can see Cam York being a very similar player to TDA in the near future.
The sooner Ellis and Risto are history I will be very happy. Tired of talking about them.

There is no one this team can’t afford to lose. Why? Because, even if they are healthy they are a mediocre team with almost zero shot at making the playoffs.
- BiggE

We are mediocre even in our mediocracy!

I think DeAngelo will silence some of the haters on here but he is a force on the powerplay. Personally I really like him and have watched him closely in NY and Carolina since I own him in keepers. He is mobile and creative and can only make the pp better. On D he is better than some say but only average. I can see Cam York being a very similar player to TDA in the near future.
The sooner Ellis and Risto are history I will be very happy. Tired of talking about them.
- joegreif17

Interested to see how he fares. If he's great on the PP, that's nice but his d liabilities make me think he's more suited to the second pair.

I like Sanheim but, no, he is not more important than Provorov. He is slotted right where he should be: second pair LD. Would like to see him get more PP2 time than he's ever really been given a full opportunity at in the NHL.
- bmeltzer

I don’t know where Sanheim is getting this vote of confidence. He’s good but he’s not better than Provorov. I’d argue Sanheim has seen more reliable and steady partners. Say whatever you’d like about Myers or ristolainen, they were never slotted next to Sanheim by mistake

I like Sanheim but, no, he is not more important than Provorov. He is slotted right where he should be: second pair LD. Would like to see him get more PP2 time than he's ever really been given a full opportunity at in the NHL.
- bmeltzer

Are there any other NHL teams where the 2nd pair dman gets more ES ice time than the 1st pair dman?

Now do that same lineup without Provorov. It is worse. The Flyers need both Provy and Sanheim to make the top 4 work right now. Also if one of them is out long term, I hope Zamula gets a shot in the top 6 over Seeler—Nice guy for the 7th slot and short fill in.
- NC Flyers Fan

Don't see how it's worse when you look at last year's full season stats and see how poor Provorov was in comparison to Sanheim.

I think Provy just needs better support in all areas. The team is not good and he has to continuously be the last line of defence. He kill penalties, blocks shots, durable and does it all. I would venture to say if he was playing in say Colorado he would be a stud racking up 50-65 points annually. It is hard to get points with a team so weak.
- joegreif17

50 points at least. I agree

I don’t know where Sanheim is getting this vote of confidence. He’s good but he’s not better than Provorov. I’d argue Sanheim has seen more reliable and steady partners. Say whatever you’d like about Myers or ristolainen, they were never slotted next to Sanheim by mistake
- SuperSchennBros

You think Phil Myers, who got waived and demoted to the AHL last season is more steady and reliable than Justin Braun?

And Rasmus Ristolainen, who has had bad defensive results his entire NHL career and is notorious for chasing hits and giving up big plays, is also more steady and reliable than Justin Braun?

I think Provy just needs better support in all areas. The team is not good and he has to continuously be the last line of defence. He kill penalties, blocks shots, durable and does it all. I would venture to say if he was playing in say Colorado he would be a stud racking up 50-65 points annually. It is hard to get points with a team so weak.
- joegreif17

Sanheim had 31 ES points on a weak team last season.

Provorov had 22.

You think Phil Myers, who got waived and demoted to the AHL last season is more steady and reliable than Justin Braun?

And Rasmus Ristolainen, who has had bad defensive results his entire NHL career and is notorious for chasing hits and giving up big plays, is also more steady and reliable than Justin Braun?
- Feanor

You can’t make it up

Don't see how it's worse when you look at last year's full season stats and see how poor Provorov was in comparison to Sanheim.
- Feanor

It’s true. I’m not basing my opinion on a single season of stats, no viewing.