You think Phil Myers, who got waived and demoted to the AHL last season is more steady and reliable than Justin Braun?

And Rasmus Ristolainen, who has had bad defensive results his entire NHL career and is notorious for chasing hits and giving up big plays, is also more steady and reliable than Justin Braun?
- Feanor

Justin Braun is a career third pair defenseman. Myers played very well here outside of one season that led to his trade. Interesting a team that’s seen the Stanley Cup final the last three seasons would want him. Now that you can’t make up. .

Ristolainen has never been a third pair defenseman whether he should be or not, it’s never happened. Just try explaining this away.

If you’re fine with Braun’s return and playing on our top pair if DeAngelo doesn’t work out, god bless. It’s mind blowing Fletcher would jump back at Braun the same way he has Nate Thompson in the pasted. I’m so glad getting Provorov a partner is a priority.

I think they were a decent pair by the end of the year. I think RR settled in after having some inconsistency to his games early on. I know it’s not a popular view but I think RR is a legit top 4 d man. I was a little disappointed in his offensive out put, but liked the physicality. I think in the right structure he can be better as well. We’ll see what this year brings.
- landros 2

I agree with this. RR has been on some poopty teams his whole career and has had awful development in both teams. There us more there to get out of RR and I think Torts can help develop him a little more. I know there is a lot of hate for RR in this fan base but I like his game. With that said he definitely has areas to do better in going forward. Hopefully Torts gets more out of hum or he asks for a trade... either way...

I like Sanheim but, no, he is not more important than Provorov. He is slotted right where he should be: second pair LD. Would like to see him get more PP2 time than he's ever really been given a full opportunity at in the NHL.
- bmeltzer

Bill did Travis get stronger/ add good weight? I’m not looking for him to be a big hitter but added strength would help him with board and crease battles and add to his confidence.

Justin Braun is a career third pair defenseman. Myers played very well here outside of one season that led to his trade. Interesting a team that’s seen the Stanley Cup final the last three seasons would want him. Now that you can’t make up. .

Ristolainen has never been a third pair defenseman whether he should be or not, it’s never happened. Just try explaining this away.

If you’re fine with Braun’s return and playing on our top pair if DeAngelo doesn’t work out, god bless. It’s mind blowing Fletcher would jump back at Braun the same way he has Nate Thompson in the pasted. I’m so glad getting Provorov a partner is a priority.
- SuperSchennBros

Completely false.

Justin Braun is a career third pair defenseman. Myers played very well here outside of one season that led to his trade. Interesting a team that’s seen the Stanley Cup final the last three seasons would want him. Now that you can’t make up. .

Ristolainen has never been a third pair defenseman whether he should be or not, it’s never happened. Just try explaining this away.

If you’re fine with Braun’s return and playing on our top pair if DeAngelo doesn’t work out, god bless. It’s mind blowing Fletcher would jump back at Braun the same way he has Nate Thompson in the pasted. I’m so glad getting Provorov a partner is a priority.
- SuperSchennBros

10 seasons at 18+ minutes, 7 at 20+ and a mainstay on the pk during his prime. That’s a bit more than a career 3rd pair defenseman.

Of course he’s one now, but he was a top 4 regular for most of his career.

Bill did Travis get stronger/ add good weight? I’m not looking for him to be a big hitter but added strength would help him with board and crease battles and add to his confidence.
- Hosher12

He's been ca 195-198 pounds on his 6-foot-3 frame on reporting day to camp for several years. He has a lanky build.

10 seasons at 18+ minutes, 7 at 20+ and a mainstay on the pk during his prime. That’s a bit more than a career 3rd pair defenseman.

Of course he’s one now, but he was a top 4 regular for most of his career.
- BiggE

My apologies to Justin Braun. Who was his regular partner?

My apologies to Justin Braun. Who was his regular partner?
- SuperSchennBros

Not sure, living on the east coast I never watched a lot of San Jose games. I do know that during his prime he was usually 2nd or 3rd among the Sharks D group in ice time.

Not sure, living on the east coast I never watched a lot of San Jose games. I do know that during his prime he was usually 2nd or 3rd among the Sharks D group in ice time.
- BiggE

So probably Marc-Edouard Vlasic. Unlikely he’s been paired with Brent Burns, who would only hurt his plus-minus and both play the right side.

Well if I’m wrong, I’m wrong but my point is Sanheim has been given top 4 partners. I don’t know what the excuse to hate on Myers will be if Tampa Bay turns his career around and Ristolainen won’t have any excuses under Torts.

So probably Marc-Edouard Vlasic. Unlikely he’s been paired with Brent Burns, who would only hurt his plus-minus and both play the right side.

Well if I’m wrong, I’m wrong but my point is Sanheim has been given top 4 partners. I don’t know what the excuse to hate on Myers will be if Tampa Bay turns his career around and Ristolainen won’t have any excuses under Torts.
- SuperSchennBros

From what I’ve seen over the years, Ristolainen just doesn’t think the game well. He makes bad decisions under pressure and worse, he makes a lot of unforced errors and ends up out of position way too often. I’m not sure any coach can fix that.

Justin Braun is a career third pair defenseman. Myers played very well here outside of one season that led to his trade. Interesting a team that’s seen the Stanley Cup final the last three seasons would want him. Now that you can’t make up. .

Ristolainen has never been a third pair defenseman whether he should be or not, it’s never happened. Just try explaining this away.

If you’re fine with Braun’s return and playing on our top pair if DeAngelo doesn’t work out, god bless. It’s mind blowing Fletcher would jump back at Braun the same way he has Nate Thompson in the pasted. I’m so glad getting Provorov a partner is a priority.
- SuperSchennBros

Myers big and mobile it looked like. But something happened 🤔

Myers big and mobile it looked like. But something happened 🤔
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Lack of hockey sense and slow learning curve became the knocks on him.

Lack of hockey sense and slow learning curve became the knocks on him.
- bmeltzer

What are your thought on Ristolainen, bill??

So probably Marc-Edouard Vlasic. Unlikely he’s been paired with Brent Burns, who would only hurt his plus-minus and both play the right side.

Well if I’m wrong, I’m wrong but my point is Sanheim has been given top 4 partners. I don’t know what the excuse to hate on Myers will be if Tampa Bay turns his career around and Ristolainen won’t have any excuses under Torts.
- SuperSchennBros

They aren't going to turn Myers around most likely. He keeps getting chances cause of his size and half decent speed, but his hockey sense leaves lots to be desired and it's pretty hard to teach that. This may be his last shot at the NHL and then it will be off to the AHL for him most likely.

They aren't going to turn Myers around most likely. He keeps getting chances cause of his size and half decent speed, but his hockey sense leaves lots to be desired and it's pretty hard to teach that. This may be his last shot at the NHL and then it will be off to the AHL for him most likely.
- Phillywhiteout

So Tampa didn’t turn around Luke Schenn and Bogosian?

So Tampa didn’t turn around Luke Schenn and Bogosian?
- SuperSchennBros

Yeah, what's that have to do with Myers?

Not sure, living on the east coast I never watched a lot of San Jose games. I do know that during his prime he was usually 2nd or 3rd among the Sharks D group in ice time.
- BiggE

Yeah, Braun was a top 4 his last 6 seasons with the Sharks. He played top pair at times. The Sharks traded him because his transition game tanked along with overall offensive awareness regressing. Braun’s defense regressed some near the end but he was still effective defensively. The Sharks didn’t want to pay a 3rd pair guy 3.8 mil with no ability to exit his own zone.

Yeah, what's that have to do with Myers?
- Phillywhiteout

Wow…

Yeah, Braun was a top 4 his last 6 seasons with the Sharks. He played top pair at times. The Sharks traded him because his transition game tanked along with overall offensive awareness regressing. Braun’s defense regressed some near the end but he was still effective defensively. The Sharks didn’t want to pay a 3rd pair guy 3.8 mil with no ability to exit his own zone.
- Minnyhock

Who was his regular D partner? I’m not trying to make a point, just curious.

Provorov is the best dman without a doubt for me. Sanheim should not even be on a pp unit imo. You got DeAngelo, Provorov and York ahead of him. Down the road York will hopefully be the pp dman for the Flyers.
- joegreif17

Provorov IMO should be kept 10 miles from the PP, because honestly he stinks of the PP. Absolutely Stinks! To me, DeAngelo and York are the PP QBs.

Wow…
- SuperSchennBros

Great comeback! Your reasoning makes no sense at all. The other two guys you mentioned were both proven NHL defensemen while Myers has yet to prove that he has an NHL level hockey IQ. Thanks!

Who was his regular D partner? I’m not trying to make a point, just curious.
- SuperSchennBros

Quite a bit with Vlasic but not exclusively.