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wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Oct 14 @ 10:58 AM ET
I was more looking ahead to the TB game, that could be very ugly.
- rayc16



thinking the same, the FL trip will show us how they will hold up vs upper end talent
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 14 @ 11:00 AM ET
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booing and laughing says a lot about those booing and laughing

- Scoob


The only players ever boo’ed should be from the opposing team. I didn’t see it but someone on Twitter made reference to it…I may not of cheered…but booing him?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:03 AM ET
I went to the game, as the kid I played tennis with had great seats (right where Scoob likes to sit: just off red line, few rows up, perfect!),
- PT21


My preferred seating is first row, 200-level, between the blue lines. Glad you enjoyed your seats.


landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 14 @ 11:04 AM ET
I went to the game, as the kid I played tennis with had great seats (right where Scoob likes to sit: just off red line, few rows up, perfect!), and it was free (maybe he felt bad for making me run around and badly twist my ankle couple of weeks ago).

In any event, building was packed. When they announced attendance, it was 19k+. I don't remember how much. Crowd was loud, tremendous. buzz. Big cheers for Torts, big cheer whenever Gritty was shown. On the subway, lots of young kids chanting "lets go Flyers"

More obs when I get through the endless sequence of zoom calls.

- PT21


So not all doom and gloom…nice to hear.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:04 AM ET
Well Ellis gets the last laugh when he collects the $31 mil left on his contract. I just can’t feel sorry for him.
- Djapana


Financially he's fine, obviously. He's a hockey player. I feel bad for him that he can't play.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Oct 14 @ 11:07 AM ET
So not all doom and gloom…nice to hear.
- landros 2


Thanks for saying that. I wanted to say something nice back, but I just imagine he will make me mad with whatever he wants to share later…

We’ll see.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Oct 14 @ 11:09 AM ET
First period, shot attempts 15-10 Devils, scoring chances 9-5 Devils and High danger chances 3-2.
They didn't have an edge in the 2nd or 3rd either. In the 2nd period, shot attempts were 25-11 Devils. Scoring chances 14-6 Devils. High danger chances 5-1 Devils. In the 3rd , shot attempts were 24-7 Devils, scoring chances 13-3 Devils with high danger chances 4-0 in favor of the Devils.

Now in the 3rd period of a game when one team has a significant lead, score effects come into being a factor, but with the clear difference through the entire game, I wouldn't look at that as a reason.

You can put your head in the sand and pretend it's not the case. One game is not a trend but that is not the way you want to play for long term success.

The same thing happened last year in the early season. Flyers outscored their deficiencies for a short period. The Atkinson line was hot early then it all fell apart.

The Flyers won last night because Blackwood had a really poor game.

- MJL


While I like stats, the game didnt nearly reflect the stats above, sure the Flyers were pressed and had soft spots, sure the attempts were is the Devils favor but the Flyers appeared to be the more dangerous team. Higher danger chances were less than the goals scored for the Flyers in the 2nd and 3rd, while that is possible, I don't agree. They definitely need the puck more, but this was not a game they were lucky to win, it was game that followed a lot of NHL games, good goal tending, converting on scoring chances, momentum swings and a ton of blocked shots with the defending team protecting the house rather well. I give them full marks for the win, they earned it. Now if that was Tampa or the Panthers, I do believe the score would have been different. The good news is that we will get to see it here shortly.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 14 @ 11:09 AM ET
My preferred seating is first row, 200-level, between the blue lines. Glad you enjoyed your seats.
- Scoob

I like upper deck 1st row dead center behind net philly shoots at twice. Doesn’t matter the arena. Can see whole play develop coming and going.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 14 @ 11:09 AM ET
My preferred seating is first row, 200-level, between the blue lines. Glad you enjoyed your seats.
- Scoob


Section 101 row 19 or 20….get same seats every time I can get down to a game off of stubhub….dead centre ice…not that badly priced either…way cheaper them my Eagle tickets.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 14 @ 11:21 AM ET
While I like stats, the game didnt nearly reflect the stats above, sure the Flyers were pressed and had soft spots, sure the attempts were is the Devils favor but the Flyers appeared to be the more dangerous team. Higher danger chances were less than the goals scored for the Flyers in the 2nd and 3rd, while that is possible, I don't agree. They definitely need the puck more, but this was not a game they were lucky to win, it was game that followed a lot of NHL games, good goal tending, converting on scoring chances, momentum swings and a ton of blocked shots with the defending team protecting the house rather well. I give them full marks for the win, they earned it. Now if that was Tampa or the Panthers, I do believe the score would have been different. The good news is that we will get to see it here shortly.
- wcorvette


This is one of those games that creates illusions because the puck went in the net for the Flyers. Ultimately goals are what counts but the numbers don't lie. The Devils controlled play at 5 on 5 and it wasn't close. The Devils aren't a top team. If they play that same game, the Flyers will lose that game far more than they'll win it. I think there are some positives to take from the game and one game is not a trend. If I was Tortorella I would provide positive reinforcement to the players but behind closed doors I would have concern. The only way the Flyers win consistently playing at that level is if Hart has a Shesterkin like season.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 14 @ 11:22 AM ET
Risto hate….even when he’s in the press box. At least your consistent.
- landros 2


He's a bad player signed to a terrible contract. Sorry if pointing that out offends you.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 14 @ 11:23 AM ET
This is just not true! The Flyers had the clear 5 on 5 edge in the 1st period and big in portions of the 2nd and 3rd periods.
- jd250


The Devils had a 64-28 advantage at 5on5.

http://www.naturalstattri...eason=20222023&game=20012
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Oct 14 @ 11:29 AM ET
He's a bad player signed to a terrible contract. Sorry if pointing that out offends you.
- Feanor

Bullseye 🎯 And with him hurt, and really unperforming when he is healthy. To a 5.1 mill caphit! He is the elephant 🐘 in the room capanchor ⚓️ wise for the flyers now.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:30 AM ET
The Devils had a 64-28 advantage at 5on5.

http://www.naturalstattri...eason=20222023&game=20012

- Feanor


your fancy stats mean nothing to those who know "the goods"
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:31 AM ET
This is one of those games that creates illusions because the puck went in the net for the Flyers. Ultimately goals are what counts but the numbers don't lie. ... If they play that same game, the Flyers will lose that game far more than they'll win it. I think there are some positives to take from the game and one game is not a trend.
- MJL


yep - same as last season - eventually the results will reflect the play
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:32 AM ET
your fancy stats mean nothing to those who know "the goods"
- corduroy

I don't expect them to be good, I don't expect them to win often.
If they put in the effort they put in last night all season, I will be happy.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Oct 14 @ 11:44 AM ET
This is one of those games that creates illusions because the puck went in the net for the Flyers. Ultimately goals are what counts but the numbers don't lie. The Devils controlled play at 5 on 5 and it wasn't close. The Devils aren't a top team. If they play that same game, the Flyers will lose that game far more than they'll win it. I think there are some positives to take from the game and one game is not a trend. If I was Tortorella I would provide positive reinforcement to the players but behind closed doors I would have concern. The only way the Flyers win consistently playing at that level is if Hart has a Shesterkin like season.
- MJL


I agree mostly. Hart should be their best player, he was drafted for that purpose. No, I don't think they will fair well vs better teams playing this way. I watched the game in real time, so I could use to watch it again but with a more critical eye, they earned the win and not just Hart. The formula used to win is not dissimilar from other winning teams in the NHL. You can make a case the Flyers knew who they were and played a game to their skill set. This game does not change how I feel, this will be a bottom 3rd team, they will end up losing a lot of tight games. One thing Torts brands is shot blocking, that in essence is protecting the house and taking away lanes, that is no friend to puck possession but it is the right place to start with this version of the Flyers.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 14 @ 11:50 AM ET
Tippett injured already? Farce
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:54 AM ET
Tippett injured already? Farce
- PLindbergh31



My guess will be concussion.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Oct 14 @ 12:02 PM ET
How full was the building? Not the announced attendance, how empty or full did it look to the eyes of a non team employee in the building.
- Shrike

19107 according to Sportnet. And it looked near full to me on a 85 TV.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:05 PM ET
I agree mostly. Hart should be their best player, he was drafted for that purpose. No, I don't think they will fair well vs better teams playing this way. I watched the game in real time, so I could use to watch it again but with a more critical eye, they earned the win and not just Hart. The formula used to win is not dissimilar from other winning teams in the NHL. You can make a case the Flyers knew who they were and played a game to their skill set. This game does not change how I feel, this will be a bottom 3rd team, they will end up losing a lot of tight games. One thing Torts brands is shot blocking, that in essence is protecting the house and taking away lanes, that is no friend to puck possession but it is the right place to start with this version of the Flyers.
- wcorvette


I don't want to misread what you're saying here but if you're saying what I think you are with the formula to win is not dissimilar from other winning teams in the NHL. That is not the case. Winning team don't lose the possession battle and scoring chance battle by a wide margin and win.

I'll repeat what I've said numerous times. Defending hockey, shot blocking and everything that comes with it. No matter how well you do it, is losing hockey. Attacking hockey is winning hockey.
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 14 @ 12:10 PM ET
My guess will be concussion.
- MBFlyerfan

j. Cates up Attard sent down
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Oct 14 @ 12:24 PM ET
thinking the same, the FL trip will show us how they will hold up vs upper end talent
- wcorvette

Rags looked way better than the Bolts 🔩 Rags will be the measuring stick.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:25 PM ET
j. Cates up Attard sent down
- rayc16

Shocked not Hodgson as Torts was saddled with him and J Cates earned a spot.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:27 PM ET
funny how giroux's team struggles and we do fine without him
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