funny how giroux's team struggles and we do fine without him
- 2Real

Let’s give it 15-20 games huh

funny how giroux's team struggles and we do fine without him
- 2Real

The Flyers were so good after the trade deadline last season weren't they?

funny how giroux's team struggles and we do fine without him
- 2Real

How many games did they win without G last season? A lot of new players on the team now. Mover along with your G hate!

Get used to saying that the other team drove play 5 on 5. That may happen in about every game. I mean, look at this roster. How many guys on this team are going to drive play 5 on 5? Be interesting to see if they get smoked by the Nucks tomorrow cause they have some offensive firepower.
- Phillywhiteout

Being able to bend, but dont break is a sign of a resilient hard to play against team. And I think that what Torts means to install. Being outplayed is not equal to being a losing team.

I don't want to misread what you're saying here but if you're saying what you think you are with the formula to win is not dissimilar from other winning teams in the NHL. That is not the case. Winning team don't lose the possession battle and scoring chance battle by a wide margin and win.

I'll repeat what I've said numerous times. Defending hockey, shot blocking and everything that comes with it. No matter how well you do it, is losing hockey. Attacking hockey is winning hockey.
- MJL

not referring to winning teams as the upper teams, I should have been more clear, but more of the average teams. I would like attack hockey but they don't have the talent for that, like other teams when the face the AVS or Tampa etc, they need to adjust to have a chance to win, really a cut on the Flyers. Fancy stats aside, watching the game, the Flyers earned the win

Let’s give it 15-20 games huh
- ClaudeFather

not sure what you are talking about. we won game one, why not plan a parade.

The Devils had a 64-28 advantage at 5on5.

http://www.naturalstattri...eason=20222023&game=20012
- Feanor

Shots attempts is not a statistic I would consider that telling, nor even shots on goal. What I care most about is where the shots are coming from, i.e. high danger chances. In the first period the Flyers had the edge 3-2 and then after the Flyers went up 3-1 the Devils pushed and out chanced the Flyers 9-1 according to natural stat trick. But who says this is correct?? On the PP early in the 3rd, TK hit the post from the slot and then scored from the high slot. Are these not high danger chances? Maybe not by the definition of the metric, but to my eyes they were clearly high danger chances for the Flyers, i.e. a quick shot from the high slot through a screen. So this is why you have to watch the games, because the metric is just that, a number with a well defined boundary, but it does not tell the entire story!

Tippett injured already? Farce
- PLindbergh31

He ran into Palat at high speed. How is that a farce?

funny how giroux's team struggles and we do fine without him
- 2Real

I know right? Already 0-1.

not referring to winning teams as the upper teams, I should have been more clear, but more of the average teams. I would like attack hockey but they don't have the talent for that, like other teams when the face the AVS or Tampa etc, they need to adjust to have a chance to win, really a cut on the Flyers. Fancy stats aside, watching the game, the Flyers earned the win
- wcorvette

Torts said last week the Flyers are not going to win games 4-1 or 4-2, that is not the team they have here. They are going to have to score by committee and their PP is going to have to chip in to help them win. Well, that is what happened last night and I am sure Torts was as surprised as anyone. However, I don't see this team scoring 4 or 5 goals a game, I see them maybe scoring 2-3 goals a game which means they will be in games but probably lose their fair share. What I was encouraged about last night was the way the team played, the structure was better, the zone break-outs were better and Hart made some big saves at key times in the game when the Devils made their push. It was an honest effort and if they play this way consistently this year, it will be a far more entertaining team than the past 2 years. Still I want the Flyers to stay under 60 points and get themselves a chance at a big time player in the draft.

Being able to bend, but dont break is a sign of a resilient hard to play against team. And I think that what Torts means to install. Being outplayed is not equal to being a losing team.
- missingmike

Spending that much time defending is not being a hard to play against team. Defending wears a team down. Mentally and physically.

He ran into Palat at high speed. How is that a farce?
- Feanor

No worries, he had to get his nickel opinion in, then go back to his cave.

Shots attempts is not a statistic I would consider that telling, nor even shots on goal. What I care most about is where the shots are coming from, i.e. high danger chances. In the first period the Flyers had the edge 3-2 and then after the Flyers went up 3-1 the Devils pushed and out chanced the Flyers 9-1 according to natural stat trick. But who says this is correct?? On the PP early in the 3rd, TK hit the post from the slot and then scored from the high slot. Are these not high danger chances? Maybe not by the definition of the metric, but to my eyes they were clearly high danger chances for the Flyers, i.e. a quick shot from the high slot through a screen. So this is why you have to watch the games, because the metric is just that, a number with a well defined boundary, but it does not tell the entire story!
- jd250

So you think the stats aren't accurate? How can a shot attempt discrepancy of that magnitude not point to had the better of the play? Who controlled the puck? That's just common sense.

Are you not aware that these numbers are 5 on 5 numbers? Perhaps learn about the information a bit.

I was at the game last night and there were a lot more empty seats than you would think. Ellis getting booed was kinda funny the way his face looked. Like he was saying F Philly in his head. Risto looked like he could care less. Team played ok against an ok Devils team. I had no expectations for that game or the season. Too many other great things going on like Penn State Football, the Eagles, Sixers and Phillies.

Torts said last week the Flyers are not going to win games 4-1 or 4-2, that is not the team they have here. They are going to have to score by committee and their PP is going to have to chip in to help them win. Well, that is what happened last night and I am sure Torts was as surprised as anyone. However, I don't see this team scoring 4 or 5 goals a game, I see them maybe scoring 2-3 goals a game which means they will be in games but probably lose their fair share. What I was encouraged about last night was the way the team played, the structure was better, the zone break-outs were better and Hart made some big saves at key times in the game when the Devils made their push. It was an honest effort and if they play this way consistently this year, it will be a far more entertaining team than the past 2 years. Still I want the Flyers to stay under 60 points and get themselves a chance at a big time player in the draft.
- jd250

4 of their goals were scored by 2 players. How is that scoring by committee? There is no evidence that suggests that thier structure and breakouts were better.

Risto addition by subtraction. I know he is going back in the line up when healthy. I do think it is fair to ask for how long. I'm not suggesting a short leash, but Torts was feuding with Laine in CLB on how he played.

Atkinson is a forward. Just wanted to point that out.

Blackwood is a goalie. For those of you playing along at home

- black_francis

Blackwood is a goalie that is on a hockey team playing as the goalie because he is a goaltender. Goalies are important on a hockey team because goaltending helps the team win. Without the goalie there would be no one goaltending on the team of hockey players.
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Flyers played well enough to win. Can’t and won’t complain. Hart was really good but could’ve/should’ve had both those goals. NJ goal tender was horrible. A lot of effort and good penalty kill. One game in the books and no one thinks the Flyers will go 82-0 or 0-82 so remember it’s just 1 win over another bottom dweller.

Fingers crossed for success but let’s wait until we have a good sample of the season. Can they maintain this effort? At what point over an 82 game season does effort without high end talent make or break a season. But until then I’ll enjoy the win over the Devils.

Oh yeah, CF still must go!

Shots attempts is not a statistic I would consider that telling, nor even shots on goal. What I care most about is where the shots are coming from, i.e. high danger chances. In the first period the Flyers had the edge 3-2 and then after the Flyers went up 3-1 the Devils pushed and out chanced the Flyers 9-1 according to natural stat trick. But who says this is correct?? On the PP early in the 3rd, TK hit the post from the slot and then scored from the high slot. Are these not high danger chances? Maybe not by the definition of the metric, but to my eyes they were clearly high danger chances for the Flyers, i.e. a quick shot from the high slot through a screen. So this is why you have to watch the games, because the metric is just that, a number with a well defined boundary, but it does not tell the entire story!
- jd250

ESPN had the raw possession timer on the screen in the third. It was like ~10:00 Flyers, ~14:00 Devils. The game didn't feel as lopsided as that because the Devils spent most of their zone time dancing/passing around the outside. A better team would have made Hart's night a lot tougher given all that puck time.

And stop assuming that other people aren't watching the games.

4 of their goals were scored by 2 players. How is that scoring by committee? There is no evidence that suggests that thier structure and breakouts were better.
- MJL

It was just one game. There is truth to both perspectives. The Flyers committed too many penalties early, they defended too much overall, and the Devils are not a top tier offensive or defensive team. On the other hand, the Allison goal was important to get it tied back up quickly. TK alone had several high danger chances (a few posts) beside the actual goals. They were aggressive with most shooting opportunities which hasn’t always been the case. Hart was legitimately good besides the first goal against. Provy and DeAngelo played like a top pairing. Also, the defensive structure did look improved and much of that was probably the compete and hustle level. It will take several games to see what is consistent or trending.

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Just part of the dysfunction that permeates inside this organization. The GM saddles the coach with a player he clearly doesn't want.

Being able to bend, but dont break is a sign of a resilient hard to play against team. And I think that what Torts means to install. Being outplayed is not equal to being a losing team.
- missingmike

I can't imagine being above .500 if you are continually outplayed.

I get the better team doesn't always win. But not over 82 games.

It was just one game. There is truth to both perspectives. The Flyers committed too many penalties early, they defended too much overall, and the Devils are not a top tier offensive or defensive team. On the other hand, the Allison goal was important to get it tied back up quickly. TK alone had several high danger chances (a few posts) beside the actual goals. They were aggressive with most shooting opportunities which hasn’t always been the case. Hart was legitimately good besides the first goal against. Provy and DeAngelo played like a top pairing. Also, the defensive structure did look improved and much of that was probably the compete and hustle level. It will take several games to see what is consistent or trending.
- NC Flyers Fan

I agree it is just one game and there are some positives. For me it's young and important players scoring. Hopefully building confidence. I think Hart played well overall although I think he misplayed both goals against. I would not agree that DeAngelo and Provorov played like a top pairing. Although they are not completely to blame. I don't doubt the effort but the information doesn't lie.

It was just one game. There is truth to both perspectives. The Flyers committed too many penalties early, they defended too much overall, and the Devils are not a top tier offensive or defensive team. On the other hand, the Allison goal was important to get it tied back up quickly. TK alone had several high danger chances (a few posts) beside the actual goals. They were aggressive with most shooting opportunities which hasn’t always been the case. Hart was legitimately good besides the first goal against. Provy and DeAngelo played like a top pairing. Also, the defensive structure did look improved and much of that was probably the compete and hustle level. It will take several games to see what is consistent or trending.
- NC Flyers Fan

well said, better than how I put it, LOL