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Forums :: Blog World :: Ben Shelley: Analyzing the Bo Horvat trade
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Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Feb 3 @ 10:55 AM ET
He PM’d me and told me to let you know to (frank) off.
- Cptmjl

kear20
New York Islanders
Joined: 07.03.2007

Feb 3 @ 11:53 AM ET
I don’t know if it means anything but Horvat’s agent Pat Morris clients are Bailey, Cizikas, Clutterbuck and Martin. Lou is familiar with him.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 3 @ 12:04 PM ET
I don’t know if it means anything but Horvat’s agent Pat Morris clients are Bailey, Cizikas, Clutterbuck and Martin. Lou is familiar with him.
- kear20

Doubt it carries a ton of weight, but at least those are guys that have been around for awhile and are undoubtedly happy here. It probably means very little, but at least it's not a bad thing.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Feb 3 @ 12:08 PM ET
I don’t know if it means anything but Horvat’s agent Pat Morris clients are Bailey, Cizikas, Clutterbuck and Martin. Lou is familiar with him.
- kear20

So what you're saying is Lou's gonna get fleeced?
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Feb 3 @ 12:12 PM ET
He PM’d me and told me to let you know to (frank) off.
- Cptmjl

eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
So what you're saying is Lou's gonna get fleeced?
- Upstate_isles

kear20
New York Islanders
Joined: 07.03.2007

Feb 3 @ 12:50 PM ET
So what you're saying is Lou's gonna get fleeced?
- Upstate_isles

Is getting a contract close to what Barzal got is that considered being fleeced?
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 3 @ 1:11 PM ET

- Vukota



Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 3 @ 1:11 PM ET
So what you're saying is Lou's gonna get fleeced?
- Upstate_isles

Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 3 @ 1:36 PM ET
Is getting a contract close to what Barzal got is that considered being fleeced?
- kear20

I think what’s being reported is 8x8 which is to me fair for his historic production while also factoring in the season he’s having. I’d rather not give him what Barzal is getting it’s a bit high for his age and past production. He has close to 3 years on Barzal. It would be an overpayment imo. Fleeced may be an exaggeration but an overpayment none the less. An overpayment here and there throughout the lineup leads to a problem as we’re experiencing rt now.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Feb 3 @ 1:44 PM ET
I think what’s being reported is 8x8 which is to me fair for his historic production while also factoring in the season he’s having. I’d rather not give him what Barzal is getting it’s a bit high for his age and past production. He has close to 3 years on Barzal. It would be an overpayment imo. Fleeced may be an exaggeration but an overpayment none the less. An overpayment here and there throughout the lineup leads to a problem as we’re experiencing rt now.
- Cptmjl

Lou never overvalues players 8x8 is probably what they are looking at and with the cap going up and players coming off the books it's doable. The sorokin deal will be the big one after next year
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 3 @ 2:14 PM ET
Lou never overvalues players 8x8 is probably what they are looking at and with the cap going up and players coming off the books it's doable. The sorokin deal will be the big one after next year
- Upstate_isles

Yeah the Tarasenko and Sorokin deals are going to eat up a lot of space.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Feb 3 @ 2:31 PM ET
Yeah the Tarasenko and Sorokin deals are going to eat up a lot of space.
- Cptmjl

keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Feb 3 @ 2:42 PM ET
To answer your question that you asked in the Canucks blog, Horvat is a powerful skate with speed. Good player, you guys will like him.

I think most got frustrated with him because for a powerful skater and a decent sized guy at 6 foot and about 215 lbs, he wasn't physical, plus the and KS suck and need to make several changes.
Shouldn't be a problem for you guys as you have lots of physical players

Also, Horvat is a good faceoff guy, who wins key draws except against Bergeron and Toews, who seem to have his number.

- Reubenkincade





keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Feb 3 @ 2:46 PM ET
Lou never overvalues players 8x8 is probably what they are looking at and with the cap going up and players coming off the books it's doable. The sorokin deal will be the big one after next year
- Upstate_isles


Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 3 @ 3:08 PM ET

- JohnScammo

Not sure what it would take? He hasn’t had the best season with injuries. Not sure what we could possibly offer? Our 2025 first?
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Feb 3 @ 3:19 PM ET
Not sure what it would take? He hasn’t had the best season with injuries. Not sure what we could possibly offer? Our 2025 first?
- Cptmjl

As he would be a rental at or near the trade deadline, we ought to be able to get him cheaper than if we traded for him a couple years ago. I have no idea what St. Louis' plans are in terms of blowing up the team and starting over vs. a less drastic rebuild. Maybe we could get him for a couple of 2nd round picks and Josh Bailey?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 3 @ 3:23 PM ET
As he would be a rental at or near the trade deadline, we ought to be able to get him cheaper than if we traded for him a couple years ago. I have no idea what St. Louis' plans are in terms of blowing up the team and starting over vs. a less drastic rebuild. Maybe we could get him for a couple of 2nd round picks and Josh Bailey?
- JohnScammo

They're going to need those 2nd round picks and Bailey to acquire McDavid
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 3 @ 3:25 PM ET
As he would be a rental at or near the trade deadline, we ought to be able to get him cheaper than if we traded for him a couple years ago. I have no idea what St. Louis' plans are in terms of blowing up the team and starting over vs. a less drastic rebuild. Maybe we could get him for a couple of 2nd round picks and Josh Bailey?
- JohnScammo

Not sure if those second round picks can overcome the negative effect packaging Bailey with them is going to have.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 3 @ 3:28 PM ET
They're going to need those 2nd round picks and Bailey to acquire McDavid
- eichiefs9

I think it’s going to be Matthews.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Feb 3 @ 3:32 PM ET
They're going to need those 2nd round picks and Bailey to acquire McDavid
- eichiefs9

Very fair
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Feb 3 @ 3:32 PM ET
Not sure if those second round picks can overcome the negative effect packaging Bailey with them is going to have.
- Cptmjl

Well, yeah, there's that.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Feb 3 @ 4:01 PM ET
Yeah the Tarasenko and Sorokin deals are going to eat up a lot of space.
- Cptmjl

I'd take it
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Feb 3 @ 4:02 PM ET

- keaner17

First line leo
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Feb 3 @ 11:20 PM ET
First line leo
- Upstate_isles

Never could figure out what the guy in front of Leo was doing !? Hammered.
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