Of course not .. Hextall has to maintain that bubble team while he stocks the farm with middling prospects. Its what he does after all!
- jd250

For this one I do understand Hextall knowing full well that the well is dry and his big 3 all though great players have their best hockey in the rear view mirror. Eventually they will need new talent. What the issue is that his mandate was to do both. Keep the core guys but surround them with enough talent to still contend, while building for the future. Pretty tough to do.

My only point is I would not panic and trade Farabee just because he is having a down year given the type of injury he had and when he had it. That is not only the prudent thing to do, it is incredibly well thought out. Apparently, just too well thought out for the likes of you!
- jd250

Your premise suggested that trading him after he had another bad season in 23/24 would be a better time than now. That is not correct. He would have less value then, than now. ,

Oh brother! Do I have to explain this to you also?

- MJL

No ... just talk to the hand

100% .. my only hope is that Scott is listening to Torts and not Fletcher at this point. That is why I would not be sad if any Flyer was traded to one way or the other bring in top-end talent, because this franchise really needs a reset. The aggressive retool could have happened last off season if Fletcher had his pants up, but now its clear a big step-back is needed for this franchise to move forward.
- jd250

Listening to Tortorella over Fletcher. It's like picking a firing squad or the electric chair.

No ... just talk to the hand
- jd250

Flyers are trading everyone remember? They're giving away free tickets to STH. Hayes is headed to Boston when everyone knew they were getting a defenseman. How many times do you have to be burned by listening to unfounded rumors?

Your premise suggested that trading him after he had another bad season in 23/24 would be a better time than now. That is not correct. He would have less value then, than now. ,
- MJL

I know his value would be even less ... my point again is that I would give Farabee another full off season and next season before I make a determination that he is or is not part of the solution here. If it comes to the point where the evaluation is made that Farabee is not part of the solution here, then the Flyers can figure out what to do with him and yes, they would most likely get pennies on the dollar for him, where now they might get a bit more. Do I have to explain everything to you every time?

I know his value would be even less ... my point again is that I would give Farabee another full off season and next season before I make a determination that he is or is not part of the solution here. If it comes to the point where the evaluation is made that Farabee is not part of the solution here, then the Flyers can figure out what to do with him and yes, they would most likely get pennies on the dollar for him, where now they might get a bit more. Do I have to explain everything to you every time?
- jd250

The equivalent of your post here is that after being corrected, you are now rephrasing your original point to what I told you to be the case. Well done.

You picked the winner of the race after the race was over!

100% .. my only hope is that Scott is listening to Torts and not Fletcher at this point. That is why I would not be sad if any Flyer was traded to one way or the other bring in top-end talent, because this franchise really needs a reset. The aggressive retool could have happened last off season if Fletcher had his pants up, but now its clear a big step-back is needed for this franchise to move forward.
- jd250

From the sound of things Scott has a few guys in his ear….but eventually results will matter. I’m not sure how close we are to that. Right now the excuse train has already had stops at the Covid station, the injury station, and they are now pulling into the we were just trying to build the identity station.
All these stops and excuses have one thing in common….they suck and they have the same GM.

Flyers are trading everyone remember? They're giving away free tickets to STH. Hayes is headed to Boston when everyone knew they were getting a defenseman. How many times do you have to be burned by listening to unfounded rumors?
- MJL

There is a market for Kevin Hayes as long as the Flyers cover about $2.6M in salary for the 3 remaining years, and Boston is absolutely one team that would be interested in the coming off-season. It never made sense for the Bruins to get Hayes this season. It will depend largely on what Bergeron and Krejci decide to do. The Flyers will be relatively quiet this trade deadline with maybe some deadline day moves for JVR, Braun, Patrick and Seeler for minimal returns. That is just the harsh reality of where this franchise is at the moment and why Fletcher needs to go. I have been posting this for weeks now, there is nothing new here. Again, your questionable reading skills are coming into play.

Flyers are trading everyone remember? They're giving away free tickets to STH. Hayes is headed to Boston when everyone knew they were getting a defenseman. How many times do you have to be burned by listening to unfounded rumors?
- MJL

Wait, so you're saying Boston is now out of the Kevin Hayes sweeps?

then they need to find a GM who values that "stat". Add in being on a bad team, should get a late 1st no?
- hello it's me 2050

Honest question, would you take a 2024 unprotected first OR a 2nd and say a 4th in 2023 for him?

Wait, so you're saying Boston is now out of the Kevin Hayes sweeps?
- Tomahawk

Hayes is definitely an off season move. Bruins need 2 centers if the guys retire this year (Please let them retire finally)

(Please let them retire finally)
- Aaron_85

You guys aren't getting off the hook that easy.

Hayes is definitely an off season move. Bruins need 2 centers if the guys retire this year (Please let them retire finally)
- Aaron_85

Now what do the Leafs do…Boston went and toughened up. Is Luke Schenn going to be enough?

From the sound of things Scott has a few guys in his ear….but eventually results will matter. I’m not sure how close we are to that. Right now the excuse train has already had stops at the Covid station, the injury station, and they are now pulling into the we were just trying to build the identity station.
All these stops and excuses have one thing in common….they suck and they have the same GM.
- landros 2

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There is a market for Kevin Hayes as long as the Flyers cover about $2.6M in salary for the 3 remaining years, and Boston is absolutely one team that would be interested in the coming off-season. It never made sense for the Bruins to get Hayes this season. It will depend largely on what Bergeron and Krejci decide to do. The Flyers will be relatively quiet this trade deadline with maybe some deadline day moves for JVR, Braun, Patrick and Seeler for minimal returns. That is just the harsh reality of where this franchise is at the moment and why Fletcher needs to go. I have been posting this for weeks now, there is nothing new here. Again, your questionable reading skills are coming into play.
- jd250

Yes, what you've been posting is new! Others such as I have been telling you what the state and harsh reality of the team is for literally years. You've been posting it for weeks now!

Now you believe that Tortorella is the current savior of the team to put them on the path to the cup!

From the sound of things Scott has a few guys in his ear….but eventually results will matter. I’m not sure how close we are to that. Right now the excuse train has already had stops at the Covid station, the injury station, and they are now pulling into the we were just trying to build the identity station.
All these stops and excuses have one thing in common….they suck and they have the same GM.
- landros 2

Nailed it

Now what do the Leafs do…Boston went and toughened up. Is Luke Schenn going to be enough?
- landros 2

No clue. Leafs got tougher too. Just on the forward side of things. With Washington selling I'd be all over Jensen if I were Dubas.

CBJ overplayed their hand on Gavrikov and now Washington has entered the sellers market with a handful of rental D if they wish.

Yes, what you've been posting is new! Others such as I have been telling you what the state and harsh reality of the team is for literally years. You've been posting it for weeks now!

Now you believe that Tortorella is the current savior of the team to put them on the path to the cup!
- MJL

Please show evidence when he said this. As I do t think he has said torts will lead us to the cup. Facts please

Farabee, forgot G thought that much of him. I will stay consistent, you don't trade from a position of weakness, like the Flyers whole roster for the last 2 seasons. This would go for Farabee, unless blown away, you hold and see if he is part of the solution.

Like it or not, what has happened over the last 24 months has been the best case scenario, if they stayed healthy we would have kept picking in the 15 range. We will end up with 2 top 10 picks, hopefully top 7. Then if we are real lucky another one in 2024.

From the sound of things Scott has a few guys in his ear….but eventually results will matter. I’m not sure how close we are to that. Right now the excuse train has already had stops at the Covid station, the injury station, and they are now pulling into the we were just trying to build the identity station.
All these stops and excuses have one thing in common….they suck and they have the same GM.
- landros 2

Therein lies the dilemma. This deadline will be underwhelming like every deadline for the past umpteen seasons. You can't make other teams take your garbage or expensive C level players when your GM lacks creativity or has boxed himself into an untenable cap situation. The real question is whether or not this deadline is his last official act as GM and who will be calling the shots come draft day.

Therein lies the dilemma. This deadline will be underwhelming like every deadline for the past umpteen seasons. You can't make other teams take your garbage or expensive C level players when your GM lacks creativity or has boxed himself into an untenable cap situation. The real question is whether or not this deadline is his last official act as GM and who will be calling the shots come draft day.
- Sinisalo4vr

Pretty much sums it up.

Sorry, showing my age. I meant Matthew of course. The word I would use is panicked to describe Fletcher. When things clearly went south with AV, Covid and injuries, a good GM would have taken a step back, established an updated course of action, communicated that action and then executed on it. Besides one presser where the term "aggressive retool" was mentioned without any clear definition of what that is, Fletcher has been all over the map. For example, this team is not ready to clear cap space to get Gaudreau but is more than ready to clear space and trade picks to resign Risto and obtain DeAngelo. Apparently this team is not ready to tank in order to get real top-end talent in here, but is more than ready to do what it takes to get Dylan Larkin. Fletcher is just panicking in my opinion, chasing whatever is presented in front of him in the moment without a clear objective and timeline to guide him.
- jd250

they had cap space they chose not to sign JG

A good GM would have seen that obtaining these two players was possible and made the appropriate moves at last year's deadline and off-season to set the team up to at least attempt at getting them both. Fletcher's actions demonstrated he didn't have a clue these players would be available. Don't think for a second that Fletcher did not try very hard to clear space to get Gaudreau, he just couldn't do it because, lets face it, other teams are not going to do the Flyers any favors, and thus Fletcher puts out the chatter that the team is in evaluation mode and is not ready for a player like Gaudreau. Nonsense! If Fletcher could have got him, he would have. To get Tkachuk, the Flyers would have to trade both Provey and TK but I would have done that in a heartbeat for a player like Tkachuk.
- jd250

how was he going to make a trade with calgary when you look at what florida gave up?

Honest question, would you take a 2024 unprotected first OR a 2nd and say a 4th in 2023 for him?
- Aaron_85

For JVR? I would absolute take and 2nd and 4th. there is not one team going to give you a 1st in any way shape or form for JVR.

If he gets a 3rd then chuck did good.