I think if Lafreniere and Kakko could score, there'd still be a strong feeling we could compete the next 10 years

There would be no way the Rangers could compete for 10yrs even if Laf and KK could score.

We have so many players going on the wrong side of 30 now, CK20, Zib, Panarin, Trouba, Trock and Goodrow. Who will replace all of these players??

Didn't say Kreider doesn't score goals, but if you think he shouldn't be doing more
5v5 or dishing out more hits, then you are blind. He could/should be one of the most dominant power forwards in the game w/ the tools/skills he has. Too high of a standard for Kreider? Maybe, but someone has to be the leader on the offense.
- rrentz

you said all he does is powerplay tip ins

Leading playoff goal scorer. Not good enough. Be more like Goodrow, not scoring, not contributing, overpaid. That's kinda players we like.
- tomburton99

I would have no problem moving him somwhere in the lineup If the rangers had someone who could take his spot and produce. But they don’t. For a team in a win now mode they aren’t going to just throw Laf up there and hope he finally figures it out. They need production. Kreider has been one of the top goal scorers in the league over the last 2 years.

Didn't say Kreider doesn't score goals, but if you think he shouldn't be doing more
5v5 or dishing out more hits, then you are blind. He could/should be one of the most dominant power forwards in the game w/ the tools/skills he has. Too high of a standard for Kreider? Maybe, but someone has to be the leader on the offense.
- rrentz

How much more do you want the leading playoff goal scorer in franchise history to do?





I can't wait to watch this trainwreck of a season.

you said all he does is powerplay tip ins
- jimbro83

Im getting emotional here..Never claimed to be completely rational..Just pissed. He isn't the problem...I know, but, IDK...still want him to be a Thachuck. Has all the tools. He isn't that guy...but it would be great if he was.

I would have no problem moving him somwhere in the lineup If the rangers had someone who could take his spot and produce. But they don’t. For a team in a win now mode they aren’t going to just throw Laf up there and hope he finally figures it out. They need production. Kreider has been one of the top goal scorers in the league over the last 2 years.
- TPC

Honestly, these are the types of conversation that make want it all to fail. Just tear it down again. Hire another David Quinn and then we can talk about 'Remember when Chris Kreider scored goals?'

Im getting emotional here..Never claimed to be completely rational..Just pissed. He isn't the problem...I know, but, IDK...still want him to be a Thachuck. Has all the tools. He isn't that guy...but it would be great if he was.

- rrentz

the problem isnt that Kreider isn't Tkachuk

the problem is that Panarin isn't Kucherov

the problem isnt that Kreider isn't Tkachuk

the problem is that Panarin isn't Kucherov
- jimbro83

That was beautiful

the problem isnt that Kreider isn't Tkachuk

the problem is that Panarin isn't Kucherov
- jimbro83

Damn that’s deep right there

Jimbo gets nominated for post of the year lol

The Rangers have played 27 playoff games over the last 2 years. Chris Kreider has 25 points.

The Rangers have played 27 playoff games over the last 2 years. Chris Kreider has 25 points.
- tomburton99

You get the hollup, let him cook gif lol

You get the hollup, let him cook gif lol
- TPC

the problem isnt that Kreider isn't Tkachuk

the problem is that Panarin isn't Kucherov
- jimbro83

That IS the problem


You get what I mean though....Would like Kreider to be a little nastier...that's all

That IS the problem


You get what I mean though....Would like Kreider to be a little nastier...that's all
- rrentz

Chris Kreider was credited with more hits this year than Barclay Goodrow....

Yes, bc every single coach in the NHL has a cup. Panarin refusing to get touched when he has the puck and instead constantly turning it over is GG’s fault. Drury burdening this team with Kane which caused us to look more like a circus act than a team is also GG’s fault. Ridiculous that we’re still blaming soft players that refuse to elevate their game come playoff time on the coach. Some of these players are on their 4th coach now, it ain’t the coach.
- nyrangers9479

The players certainly have enough of the blame to go around, but at the same time Gallant almost refused to do anything to help them in game. His only tactic at trying to improve in-game play was to switch a couple guys to different lines. Not get the puck deep and forecheck, not crash the net and shoot from anywhere, not work the cycle and get the puck low to high, none of it. Just put Bread with Mika and carry on trying to dance everyone. That is what got him fired.

The players certainly have enough of the blame to go around, but at the same time Gallant almost refused to do anything to help them in game. His only tactic at trying to improve in-game play was to switch a couple guys to different lines. Not get the puck deep and forecheck, not crash the net and shot from anywhere, not work the cycle and get the puck low to high, none of it. Just put Bread with Mika and carry on trying to dance everyone. That is what got him fired.
- Tonybere

I don't think this group of players can play the type of game necessary to win a cup. Its got nothing to do with elevating their game, they don't have that game
- OLDSCHOOL#6

And yet last season we came within 6 wins of doing just that. The simple truth is we don't know what these players are capable of doing. All we know is that Gallant isn't here anymore because he didn't really try to find out.
We can say that players need to be self-motivated all day, but the fact is that if they aren't sufficiently motivated then it most certainly is the job of the coach to try and get more out of them. It's a symbiotic relationship, but at the end of the day if it isn't working it's always going to be the coach that goes first. It's simply an easier method to bring about major change.

The players certainly have enough of the blame to go around, but at the same time Gallant almost refused to do anything to help them in game. His only tactic at trying to improve in-game play was to switch a couple guys to different lines. Not get the puck deep and forecheck, not crash the net and shot from anywhere, not work the cycle and get the puck low to high, none of it. Just put Bread with Mika and carry on trying to dance everyone. That is what got him fired.
- Tonybere

You can’t get blood from rock. Asking Panarin and Zib to get in hard on the forecheck is a lost leader, it’s not that they don’t want to do it, they can’t do it. GG could stand on his head and do cartwheels it wasn’t gonna happen.

And yet last season we came within 6 wins of doing just that. The simple truth is we don't know what lthese players are capable of doing. All we know is that Gallant isn't here anymore because he didn't really try to find out.
We can say that players need to be self-motivated all day, but the fact is that if they aren't sufficiently motivated then it most certainly is the job of the coach to try and get more out of them. It's a symbiotic relationship, but at the end of the day if it isn't working it's always going to be the coach that goes first. It's simply an easier method to bring about major change.
- Tonybere

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the Pens and Canes were playing with 3rd string goalies. Yes, the dramatic comebacks in both series, were fun and exciting. As soon as a real goaltender showed up it was game over.

You can’t get blood from rock. Asking Panarin and Zib to get in hard on the forecheck is a lost leader, it’s not that they don’t want to do it, they can’t do it. GG could stand on his head and do cartwheels it wasn’t gonna happen.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Ok, that's fair. I hope you are mistaken, but you're probably not.
So, in that case is the right move to keep GG and trade Panarin and Zibby? If yes, how do we go about doing that? It's just not an option at this point in time. So, if that is settled do we keep GG and just let him go on doing what isn't working?
Like, we can complain that they haven't found the answer, but I'd rather that than complaining that they're not even trying to look for it.

You can’t get blood from rock. Asking Panarin and Zib to get in hard on the forecheck is a lost leader, it’s not that they don’t want to do it, they can’t do it. GG could stand on his head and do cartwheels it wasn’t gonna happen.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

This. Exactly. This.

Ok, that's fair. I hope you are mistaken, but you're probably not.
So, in that case is the right move to keep GG and trade Panarin and Zibby? If yes, how do we go about doing that? It's just not an option at this point in time. So, if that is settled do we keep GG and just let him go on doing what isn't working?
Like, we can complain that they haven't found the answer, but I'd rather that than complaining that they're not even trying to look for it.
- Tonybere

The NMC is going to make it almost impossible to fix the issue in the next few years. Unless of course, they ask out.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the Pens and Canes were playing with 3rd string goalies. Yes, the dramatic comebacks in both series, were fun and exciting. As soon as a real goaltender showed up it was game over.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Also true. But, those storylines can be found in 99% of post seasons. We are not obliged to take it easy on opponents who have fallen on hard times. They iced a team and we played the way that was needed to beat those teams. Do I wish we were better and could stand toe to toe with any team? Of course. Should we stop cheering the team on unless they are the President's Trophy winner and #1 Cup contender?

This. Exactly. This.
- nyrangers9479

We've seen them get in on the forecheck. We just haven't seen them try to do it consistently. So, what's your solution? One that doesn't involve outlandish trades that have a 0.01% likelihood of coming to fruition in the real world. Or, is it just another chance to say you know better than everyone else?