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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
This was the worst possible outcome and the Flyers lose a valuable salary retention slot. He is still a viable player, he's just not one that Torts wanted to coach.
- Flyers_01

Far from worst possible
Outcome
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Jun 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
this is a step forward no doubt.

I wouldn't want Hayes no matter who is coaching this team.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jun 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
$7M+ off the books. Now go weaponize that cap space Danny!
- Tomahawk



3.5 and they lost a salary retention slot so it's going to be harder to weaponize that cap space.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jun 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
Far from worst possible
Outcome

- ClaudeFather


What would've been worse?
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
This was the worst possible outcome and the Flyers lose a valuable salary retention slot. He is still a viable player, he's just not one that Torts wanted to coach.
- Flyers_01

The league didn’t think he was that valuable a player at a $3.6 caphit for 3 years or do you think Briere passed up a better return?
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
This was the worst possible outcome and the Flyers lose a valuable salary retention slot. He is still a viable player, he's just not one that Torts wanted to coach.
- Flyers_01


Worst possible outcome would have been hayes getting slower and slower on the ice. With the cap rumored to go up in the next couple of seasons I think this is a good trade. Makes room for a young kid to come up and play.

The team will be poopty, let them trade al the older players away. I am hoping Atkinson is gone by the trade deadline.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
3.5 and they lost a salary retention slot so it's going to be harder to weaponize that cap space.
- Flyers_01


Ooops brain fart lol
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
Playing on one of the worst teams in the league, 25 minutes a night, what should his plus minus have been?
- ClaudeFather

Nothing he’s ever done in his career translates to winning. He’s the best offensive player in a defensive category. I already listed where he should have stronger stats as a defenseman.

Who do you trust more defensively?
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
Fake news
- ClaudeFather

Lol well played sir
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
Yikes, what a toxic asset.

Still, they didn't give anything up, so it's a win.

- Tomahawk


Limited the damage. Probably the best that they could do.
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
This was the worst possible outcome and the Flyers lose a valuable salary retention slot. He is still a viable player, he's just not one that Torts wanted to coach.
- Flyers_01


That's a bit of hyperbole, don't you think? They could have given up picks to get him to leave.

The upside is it opens a spot for a young player and removes a distraction.

I don't think it's a great trade, but we're going to be eating some turds to fix this roster.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
What would've been worse?
- Flyers_01

Giving away an asset or in the alternative, having to endure the drama of Hayes vs. Tororella for another 9 months.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
What would've been worse?
- Flyers_01


Buyout was worst case scenario.

The Flyers erred here right out of the gate as they did with Hextall. Hextall didn't commit to a full rebuild. Probably wasn't allowed.

This time around they shouldve sacked Tortorella immediately. Now Torts is running wild. It's not going to be pretty.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
This was the worst possible outcome and the Flyers lose a valuable salary retention slot. He is still a viable player, he's just not one that Torts wanted to coach.
- Flyers_01


There wasn't going to be a deal where the Flyers didn't take something on the chin.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
Nothing he’s ever done in his career translates to winning. He’s the best offensive player in a defensive category. I already listed where he should have stronger stats as a defenseman.

Who do you trust more defensively?

- SuperSchennBros

He brought a senators team to what, game 7 of the eastern conference finals. You do know that one player doesn’t make a team correct? Offense is also apart of playing the D position
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 1:21 PM ET
What would've been worse?
- Flyers_01

But our or sending an asset with him
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 1:22 PM ET
Giving away an asset or in the alternative, having to endure the drama of Hayes vs. Tororella for another 9 months.
- Sinisalo4vr


I would've gotten rid of Tortorella instead. Wouldn't have had to retain salary on the cap.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jun 27 @ 1:23 PM ET
The league didn’t think he was that valuable a player at a $3.6 caphit for 3 years or do you think Briere passed up a better return?
- psuhockey


I'm thinking you keep him if you don't get a better return. It's not like he can't play. Maybe a better deal comes along at the TDL or the draft next year.

Half the teams are capped out right now. Everyone talks about the cap going up significantly next year. If teams have more breathing room then his value changes.

If you feel he had to go, right now, no matter the return, then ok but I think they should've held onto him instead of selling at his lowest point.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 1:24 PM ET
I would've gotten rid of Tortorella instead. Wouldn't have had to retain salary on the cap.
- MJL

Best case scenario
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 27 @ 1:24 PM ET
I almost think I would rather they have kept him for another year and tried again next offseason or at the deadline. Now they have a retention slot for three more seasons.

Oh well.

A 6th round pick is meh at best IMO. For 50% retention........

I get the feeling Torts was of the frame of mind to just get him out of here, I don't care what we get. Addition by subtraction or whatever, and Briere felt like he was backed in to a corner.

atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:24 PM ET
He brought a senators team to what, game 7 of the eastern conference finals. You do know that one player doesn’t make a team correct? Offense is also apart of playing the D position
- ClaudeFather


Whatever you think of him, this is one of the best sauces in history.


Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 27 @ 1:24 PM ET
I would've gotten rid of Tortorella instead. Wouldn't have had to retain salary on the cap.
- MJL

I was neutral on Tortorella until this off-season when I saw how how open air feuding with his players hampered moving them.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 27 @ 1:25 PM ET
I'm thinking you keep him if you don't get a better return. It's not like he can't play. Maybe a better deal comes along at the TDL or the draft next year.

Half the teams are capped out right now. Everyone talks about the cap going up significantly next year. If teams have more breathing room then his value changes.

If you feel he had to go, right now, no matter the return, then ok but I think they should've held onto him instead of selling at his lowest point.

- Flyers_01


The situation was untenable, keeping him was impossible.

The Standard would not allow it.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 27 @ 1:25 PM ET
Have not spent much time, but I wonder out of York, Cates, and Frost- does anyone get a multi yr deal. I would like to see York get a multi yr deal. He could be a great value 2nd pair Dman for many years.
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 27 @ 1:25 PM ET
$7M+ off the books. Now go weaponize that cap space Danny!
- Tomahawk


I hope DB is looking at overpriced minute-eating defensemen on expiring deals to bring in for this season. I have no idea who would fit that bill, but that's what I would be looking at. Pick up an asset to take on such a player.

I don't want to go into the season in a position where the team is forced to play (or over-play) the defensive prospects. I'm not saying that I'm against playing the young guys. If they're the best players at camp, and seem NHL ready, then by all means play em. Just hope to see 1 or 2 vets brought in so the team isn't forced to play guys that may not be ready.
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