Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
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Pierre Engvall extension in NYI is 7x$3M

We haven't had nice things since 1967. I bet there isn't 3 people on these boards that have seen the Leafs in the finals. They're a total disgrace allowing the 3 UFA's that they traded for leave and their contract dollars weren't bad. Total hypocrisy from the imbeciles who run MLS&E.

Regimes in recent memory:

Shanahan/Treliving Fail

Shanahan/Dubas Fail

Shanahan/Lamorello Fail

Nonis Fail

Burke Fail

John Ferguson Jr. Fail


They sell us on the rich history of the Maple Leafs. Anybody but myself ever see it? I was 9 years old in 1967 and saw the Leafs win in Canada's Centennial Year. The Beatles were #1 on the charts. The Leafs were the last team to win in the Original 6 era. Know this: The Leafs have never won a 3rd round playoff series. Ignorance is bliss and they keep shoveling the great history of this team. Unless you're a senior citizen, you've never seen it! They're there to protect their profits and couldn't care less if they get to the finals. F*ck them all!!!
- PrinceLH

Exactly!! I moved to Canada as a kid in 1966. Just got into watching Leafs after they won the cup in 1967. So yeah I’ve watched this for a while. Other teams get aggressive and the Leafs……..Frick!! The Gilmour/Clarke years were at least fun to watch. Much prefered a team that others hated playing against, and still lost……then a team that everybody loves to beat/beat-up, and still loses. What a joke. This core is done before they started and we will just keep running it back. Money keeps coming in!

I will not defend Treliving thus far, but the bolded is unfair. 0% to do with him, but also could turn out to be a solid pick.
Also, I give no (frank)s about Reaves. Everybody said Schenn was useless when we picked him up and by the end of the playoffs everybody wanted him back.
They aren't adding Reaves for what he brings on the ice, it's for what he brings to the rest of the team. I'm indifferent until I see the results.
Overall, BT hasn't done any impact moves. If I'm being honest, I'm a little scared for when he does.
I don't love what he's done, but it's hard to call him a bust when there has been nothing of impact yet and he's only been at the job for what, a month?
- UsernameUnknown

Agree - with this. And the ridiculous comment about the draft pick is laughable. Dubas picked Amirov with a much more valuable pick and left both Guhle and Schneider on the board. With a 28th pick hard to say you have a solid chance of a very good NHL player. At least they picked a kid with some potential.

I will not defend Treliving thus far, but the bolded is unfair. 0% to do with him, but also could turn out to be a solid pick.
Also, I give no (frank)s about Reaves. Everybody said Schenn was useless when we picked him up and by the end of the playoffs everybody wanted him back.
They aren't adding Reaves for what he brings on the ice, it's for what he brings to the rest of the team. I'm indifferent until I see the results.
Overall, BT hasn't done any impact moves. If I'm being honest, I'm a little scared for when he does.
I don't love what he's done, but it's hard to call him a bust when there has been nothing of impact yet and he's only been at the job for what, a month?
- UsernameUnknown

Reaves is not a great signing at all. It's low impact, the majority of his cap hit can be buried if need be. But it's still not great at all. Needing a pure goon is becoming completely irrelevant let alone one who's almost 37.

Its just that it's a ton worse when it's all he's been able to do, and you've lost 5 guys off of your roster.

Sure, there's the 'he has plenty of time' argument, and he does. But a quick look at the available FA list doesn't leave much hope to even get back to your starting point. So what then. Europe? Trade market? The Leafs don't have the picks or prospect depth to purchase the impact pieces they need.

They continue to say they won't bust up the core, but even if they do, trading Willy isn't going to bring in the 4-5 pieces they now need either. Marner and Matthews are now off the table, JT always was.

Sure it's just purely my opinion, but what he's done to date is not good, and it's what he hasn't done that's worse. There just doesn't seem to be the avenues available to even get back to where the finished last year let alone improve.

My opinion is we're in the early stages of watching this guy (frank) the team back to the Brian Burke days.

Agree - with this. And the ridiculous comment about the draft pick is laughable. Dubas picked Amirov with a much more valuable pick and left both Guhle and Schneider on the board. With a 28th pick hard to say you have a solid chance of a very good NHL player. At least they picked a kid with some potential.
- winsix

What the (frank) does it have to do with Dubas. The guy is no longer GM, it's time to stop letting everything be about him.

Reaves is not a great signing at all. It's low impact, the majority of his cap hit can be buried if need be. But it's still not great at all. Needing a pure goon is becoming completely irrelevant let alone one who's almost 37.

Its just that it's a ton worse when it's all he's been able to do, and you've lost 5 guys off of your roster.

Sure, there's the 'he has plenty of time' argument, and he does. But a quick look at the available FA list doesn't leave much hope to even get back to your starting point. So what then. Europe? Trade market? The Leafs don't have the picks or prospect depth to purchase the impact pieces they need.

They continue to say they won't bust up the core, but even if they do, trading Willy isn't going to bring in the 4-5 pieces they now need either. Marner and Matthews are now off the table, JT always was.

Sure it's just purely my opinion, but what he's done to date is not good, and it's what he hasn't done that's worse. There just doesn't seem to be the avenues available to even get back to where the finished last year let alone improve.

My opinion is we're in the early stages of watching this guy (frank) the team back to the Brian Burke days.
- joel878

The reintroduction of the BB gun style of hockey lol

What the (frank) does it have to do with Dubas. The guy is no longer GM, it's time to stop letting everything be about him.
- joel878

Your opinion has little to do with reality. The GM has been at his job less than a month and you are acting like the sky is falling. Relax

Your opinion has little to do with reality. The GM has been at his job less than a month and you are acting like the sky is falling. Relax
- winsix

The crazy fun ironic part is it has as much impact on reality as yours. Feel free to take a dive off that high horse.

Reaves is not a great signing at all. It's low impact, the majority of his cap hit can be buried if need be. But it's still not great at all. Needing a pure goon is becoming completely irrelevant let alone one who's almost 37.

Its just that it's a ton worse when it's all he's been able to do, and you've lost 5 guys off of your roster.

Sure, there's the 'he has plenty of time' argument, and he does. But a quick look at the available FA list doesn't leave much hope to even get back to your starting point. So what then. Europe? Trade market? The Leafs don't have the picks or prospect depth to purchase the impact pieces they need.

They continue to say they won't bust up the core, but even if they do, trading Willy isn't going to bring in the 4-5 pieces they now need either. Marner and Matthews are now off the table, JT always was.

Sure it's just purely my opinion, but what he's done to date is not good, and it's what he hasn't done that's worse. There just doesn't seem to be the avenues available to even get back to where the finished last year let alone improve.

My opinion is we're in the early stages of watching this guy (frank) the team back to the Brian Burke days.
- joel878

I can't disagree with any of this. The team is in a really hard spot to maneuver out of and into any kind of greener pastures. I think it's going to take a lot of creativity and I'm not convinced BT is the GM for a job like this.
That being said, saying he's put the final nail in this team's coffin is very dramatic.
I respect the right to be pessimistic, but I will laugh and call out people that skipped this stage and went straight to suicidal.
And there are a bunch of them after today.

Gotta be bertuzzi holding things up

I can't disagree with any of this. The team is in a really hard spot to maneuver out of and into any kind of greener pastures. I think it's going to take a lot of creativity and I'm not convinced BT is the GM for a job like this.
That being said, saying he's put the final nail in this team's coffin is very dramatic.
I respect the right to be pessimistic, but I will laugh and call out people that skipped this stage and went straight to suicidal.
And there are a bunch of them after today.
- UsernameUnknown

I very much owned its just my opinion, and to take it further I don't have much to peg it on aside from a gut shot based on what I've seen in a small sample period.

I'll happily be proven wrong for sure.

Reaves is not a great signing at all. It's low impact, the majority of his cap hit can be buried if need be. But it's still not great at all. Needing a pure goon is becoming completely irrelevant let alone one who's almost 37.

Its just that it's a ton worse when it's all he's been able to do, and you've lost 5 guys off of your roster.

Sure, there's the 'he has plenty of time' argument, and he does. But a quick look at the available FA list doesn't leave much hope to even get back to your starting point. So what then. Europe? Trade market? The Leafs don't have the picks or prospect depth to purchase the impact pieces they need.

They continue to say they won't bust up the core, but even if they do, trading Willy isn't going to bring in the 4-5 pieces they now need either. Marner and Matthews are now off the table, JT always was.

Sure it's just purely my opinion, but what he's done to date is not good, and it's what he hasn't done that's worse. There just doesn't seem to be the avenues available to even get back to where the finished last year let alone improve.

My opinion is we're in the early stages of watching this guy (frank) the team back to the Brian Burke days.
- joel878

Yeah I've seen more than a few what about other teams in Division.. well they've been making the small incremental moves Leafs should have ... but for some reason haven't.

Nothing earth shattering mind you but replacing and adding ancillary pieces that help..

Tree not really doing much of anything.. that's ok if your roster is good to go.. But Leafs is anything but that.

Yeah I've seen more than a few what about other teams in Division.. well they've been making the small incremental moves Leafs should have ... but for some reason haven't.

Nothing earth shattering mind you but replacing and adding ancillary pieces that help..

Tree not really doing much of anything.. that's ok if your roster is good to go.. But Leafs is anything but that.
- dozerD10

He's going for the expansion model of a reset.

Yeah I've seen more than a few what about other teams in Division.. well they've been making the small incremental moves Leafs should have ... but for some reason haven't.

Nothing earth shattering mind you but replacing and adding ancillary pieces that help..

Tree not really doing much of anything.. that's ok if your roster is good to go.. But Leafs is anything but that.
- dozerD10

Hard to ask the fans to de-emphasize the "Core Four" attitude when you're in the midst of surrounding them with even less talent than before. If we thought they had to carry the load before, it's looking much worse.
That being said, October is a long way off.

Mike Augello: Will Leafs Be Big Losers Or Winners On Free Agent Day???
- mikeinbuffalo

Yes they are! "LLLLLLLLLLLLLL"

Hard to ask the fans to de-emphasize the "Core Four" attitude when you're in the midst of surrounding them with even less talent then before. If we thought they had to carry the load before, it's looking much worse.
That being said, October is a long way off.
- UsernameUnknown

Thats pretty much how it is. Have to see how the roster shakes out but so far it IS underwhelming some. Plenty of time but the depth stuff is t looking all that great atm. A LOT of holes and stuff to get done still

Thats pretty much how it is. Have to see how the roster shakes out but so far it IS underwhelming some. Plenty of time but the depth stuff is t looking all that great atm. A LOT of holes and stuff to get done still
- Roadrunner75

This mutt has achieved the unthinkable. He allowed a top 5 team to be humbled to the position of fighting for a wildcard. If the season were to start today, they'd be hard pressed to fight off the Sens, Wings and Sabres for a Wildcard. Pittsburgh will be back in, next year. Bank it!

And with the Lars Eller signing .. Pens are officially over the cap...

The only fan base more bent than Leafs.. Pens..

This mutt has achieved the unthinkable. He allowed a top 5 team to be humbled to the position of fighting for a wildcard. If the season were to start today, they'd be hard pressed to fight off the Sens, Wings and Sabres for a Wildcard. Pittsburgh will be back in, next year. Bank it!
- PrinceLH

not exactly a ringing endorsement of the star players to be bested by the likes of the Redwings

True but almost done with JT too so... we should be fine
- Roadrunner75

Marner needs to be re-signed for a hefty raise too. And Willie.

Money disappears real quick.

And with the Lars Eller signing .. Pens are officially over the cap...

The only fan base more bent than Leafs.. Pens..
- dozerD10

Frank the pens and their Prez/gm

Frank the pens and their Prez/gm
- Kurtsy

- winsix

Klingberg to leafs

Toronto is signing John Klingberg

I very much owned its just my opinion, and to take it further I don't have much to peg it on aside from a gut shot based on what I've seen in a small sample period.

I'll happily be proven wrong for sure.
- joel878

Plenty of time.

He’s shown some restraint compared to some absurd contracts handed out today.

I would have preferred ROR to Reaves + Kampf, but whatever - they’re both just fine.

Betting there is a big swing coming before training camp