With the way Reaves contract is structured it is not a 35 plus contract.

He can retire or other alternatives of getting out of the contract without a penalty.

Klingberg is 1 year.

On a day where we saw 6.25M going to an eventual 38 year old Killorn...be thankful so far.
- Santo_44

It won't be a difficult nor expensive task to trade Reaves if (and when) that day comes.

JT has a NMC.

If he doesn't want to go there is no moving him.

You can't move him.
- Santo_44

There are ways to do it. The Leafs do have leverage in terms of his use and position on the team. It's just...you have to have the stomach to go down that road.

Thought experiment: we keep two stars. Let's say, Matthews and Marner. You still have Rielly. You trade Nylander and force out Tavares. Yes, it takes big boy pants. But imagine the balanced roster you could build with all of that. Don't be scared.
- fifty__missions

Trading two point per game players is risky business indeed. But besides that I think doing that to Tavares would set a bad precedent.

Lots of lateral moves and nothing that inspires confidence.

Letting Schenn walk to sign Reaves.

Letting Killorn walk to sign Sheary.

Both wanted to stay.

Briesbois used up all of his cap voodoo years ago and Shanny just keeps reshuffling the same failed formula.
- GalacticStone

These are not connected.

Schenn got crazy money from a team with term. Leafs weren't doing that and it's good they didn't. As much as I wanted him back.

There are ways to do it. The Leafs do have leverage in terms of his use and position on the team. It's just...you have to have the stomach to go down that road.
- fifty__missions

Unless he says he wants out, it's a pipe dream.

Yeah, I’m not getting the visceral hate from day 1 of free agency. None of these deals cripple the Leafs in any way. And all or none of these players can be moved or buried.

Klingberg ends up as Barrie 2.0? See ya in March at the trade deadline.

Reaves doesn’t have an impact? Easily moved or he retires and goes into broadcasting or podcasting with the Chiclets crew.

Kampf? Same thing.

We’ve been able to ship out significantly more dead weight in the past.
- gravyface

Agree with you. None of these deals hurt the Leafs. Leafs are as of now tight against the cap at just over $83M. That includes $5.625M for Muzzin - which they can spend, $5M for Brodie - who I believe will be traded and $4.687M for Murray who will also likely be traded. Roughly $15M. Samsonov will get a raise to say $3.5M on a one year deal. Which leaves $11.5M to add a RHD one LW and two bottom six guys, one of which can be an AHL promotion. The sky is not falling.

It does make the most sense.
- Woderwick

And it seems he wasnt a fan of keefe and how he did things.
He made a comment at the end of the season, that the leafs werent able/willing to change things when needed to.

There are ways to do it. The Leafs do have leverage in terms of his use and position on the team. It's just...you have to have the stomach to go down that road.
- fifty__missions

Because when you treat players like that it makes it really enticing for other players to want to come to Toronto in the future?

If you include all the assets given up at the deadline for players the Leafs just let walk, then the cost for Laff approaches that of Jeannot.
- GalacticStone

Nah. Buddy is conveniently ignoring the main piece of the trade for the Leafs, who is still here and will be for a couple years. Lafferty was an extra.

There's also a reason our cupboard is now bare.
- fifty__missions

A simple look will tell you that that's not true.

The Leafs traded exactly 0 of the better prospects in last years deadline. All they traded was spare parts and picks.

Unless he says he wants out, it's a pipe dream.
- mjones242

Not only is JT's contract buyout proof he cannot be traded without his approval. Asking the management/ownership group to drag a player through the mud publicly to embarass him to accept a trade would not be a good choice. JT has delivered a point a game and is well liked. Trading him or buying him out are not viable options.

It won't be a difficult nor expensive task to trade Reaves if (and when) that day comes.
- mjones242

His hit falls to just over $100K if he’s on the Marlies roster (don’t remember what $ amount can be buried this year)

Nobody
- Santo_44

Yeah you're definitely high on the enjoyable scale yourself.

Let's put it to a vote, I'm sure someone will set up a link. Grant the forum the opportunity to pick one of us to go away. A year? You can pick how long.

Great way to slow down the bickering.

And it seems he wasnt a fan of keefe and how he did things.
He made a comment at the end of the season, that the leafs werent able/willing to change things when needed to.
- Fakepartofme

He gets to play for a team that will be hard pressed to make the playoffs and be the top line center as he was in St. Louis. He's a very good third line center at this point of his career and can add to a PP. He's well below average as a top line center.

With the way Reaves contract is structured it is not a 35 plus contract.

He can retire or other alternatives of getting out of the contract without a penalty.

Klingberg is 1 year.

On a day where we saw 6.25M going to an eventual 38 year old Killorn...be thankful so far.
- Santo_44

Honestly, agreed.

It sucks ass losing some of the guys that went elsewhere, but it's excellent that we didn't pay the price on some of them. Or the price on a lot of the guys that other teams paid.

I've never liked Kingberg, but it's one year, so I don't hate it. And I've always loved Reaves, so I like that.

Still hoping we sign Bertuzzi or something, too.

Two more years of JT contract and he'll extend for 3m per year.
We al knew the last two years of his contract was gonna be an overpayment but we didnt care cause we thought the leafs would be able to accomplish something in the first 5. They havent, theyve failed every year. But the cap goes up 4 million next season, (matthews and maybe Nylander will eat that up) but its not that bad. Jt still producing at close to a ppg.

You could take draft picks/prospects for Willy that you can use in trade for players you like. For Tavares, what you're getting in return is cap space primarily. That is a HUGE (frank)ing asset. Take a look at our capped out roster.

The way I see it, the plan right now is short term stuff waiting until Tavares' contract expires and the cap goes up. We will not be much of a contender the next two years imo as Tavares continues to diminish and we can't find a goddam dollar to spend.
- fifty__missions

And who’s centering our second line? Moving Tavares is going to require a lot of dead cap space retained. And now you’re looking for a second line center for like 5M?

Every year it’s always the same narrow minded armchair GM takes, like paid professionals haven’t already worked out that it doesn’t work, guys who actually talk to GMs around the league. You don’t think they’ve shopped around the idea of moving Tavares?

- AdamFrench

We're gonna need a bigger tank

That might work but it could also be a disaster.
- shack67

Can't be scared to make a mistake.

Thought experiment: we keep two stars. Let's say, Matthews and Marner. You still have Rielly. You trade Nylander and force out Tavares. Yes, it takes big boy pants. But imagine the balanced roster you could build with all of that. Don't be scared.
- fifty__missions

That just send bad vibes to the players. This year and the next, we can put up with for two more years.

Can't be scared to make a mistake.
- The Law

Dare to be dumb! That’s my motto

There are marked advantages financially and culturally to live in Nashville over Toronto. That is all.
- gravyface

Name one.

That just send bad vibes to the players. This year and the next, we can out up with for two more years.
- dmnted

It's also a Masters class in how to make your team a whole lot (frank)ing worse 101.

Yeah, I’m not getting the visceral hate from day 1 of free agency. None of these deals cripple the Leafs in any way. And all or none of these players can be moved or buried.

Klingberg ends up as Barrie 2.0? See ya in March at the trade deadline.

Reaves doesn’t have an impact? Easily moved or he retires and goes into broadcasting or podcasting with the Chiclets crew.

Kampf? Same thing.

We’ve been able to ship out significantly more dead weight in the past.
- gravyface

I love the Reaves signing. We need his nutsack and personality in the room. Enough cardboard personalities. And it won't impact the cap if he's a useless tit down the road.

Klingberg ...they needed more puck movers and they needed size on the blue line. He fits both of those BUT he's been a shell of his former self the last couple of years. I'm just worried this is "it" for the blue line now. I really wanted a Pesce or Hanafin type improvement bc I think they desperately need it.

You're right though ...there's more time. He's still got $$ to sign a pair of middle six forwards. And the 'wildcard' of trading 88 is still an option.