If we are talking in terms of business models. There is no franchise in the NBA anywhere close to being as poorly run as the Coyotes, it simply isn't tolerated. In terms of growing the game, each business unit has to pull its weight or they are moved. This isn't the case in the NHL. You have to ask the question why is the NBA more popular. Do you think that the fact that during the NHL playoffs the rules are changed and resemble roller-derby or WWE rules giving it far less credibility?
- winsix

It’s loosened up a bit and that’s fine by me tbh. Only in Canada is the description overblown. I don’t want to see players get routinely hurt during the season but have a slightly hire risk in the post season making them step up their game.

As for Arizona yeah they’re a bloody mess but I remember reading a few years back their existence is important due to US tv contracts. It’s not an ideal team but their location is important for some reason along those lines.

Remember when after the lockout, the NHL cracked down on obstruction, and many more penalties were called every game, and people complained at first, but the end result was much, much, much more exciting hockey?

I ask because the NHL doesn’t remember.

They don’t remember at all.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes I remember. Could you imagine an NBA finals where a bench warmer is sent out to punch Labron James in the bugle and it is considered a great defensive play or "that's just playoff ball"

Houston, Kansas City and Atlanta for two expansions and one relocation. Probably KC first when the Coyotes crawl out of the desert.
- Canada Cup

There’s a great website:

Www.fieldofschemes.com

That goes into great depth about franchise relocations, threats of relocations, and why public dollars for new stadia are always a very, very bad deal for taxpayers.

Anyhooo, the the guy writes the site has gone into great detail about how KC is not a good spot for the next NHL franchise. In a nutshell, the owners of the arena do not want a franchise there. Their current business model is much more profitable.

P.S. He wrote a book in the early 1990s with the same name - still a franking fantastic read.

Willy and Samsonov for Hellybuck, Nino Neider, 1st, Prospect (decent one)
- senstroll

I don’t understand the sucking every penny from the team mentality. Why don’t they take a decent number for both sides and not have the stress of having to perform at such a high level that any mistake will be crucified. Like Marner. Great player takes a lot of heat when he doesn’t perform. If he signed for 9 million he’s probably sleeping better at night.

Gonna be an impressive + from Calgary's side, if that's the case.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Sometimes you can lose a deal on paper, but end up with a way better team. It's not just about asset value, but WHEN you can get an asset, and how it mixes with what you have.
Had he stayed healthy, Lindros was still the best player in the trade with Quebec, but the parts he got Que/Col won a cup. He didn't.

Sometimes you can lose a deal on paper, but end up with a way better team. It's not just about asset value, but WHEN you can get an asset, and how it mixes with what you have.
Had he stayed healthy, Lindros was still the best player in the trade with Quebec, but the parts he got Que/Col won a cup. He didn't.
- oldstyle

You really thinks Lindros was better than Forsberg?

There’s a great website:

Www.fieldofschemes.com

That goes into great depth about franchise relocations, threats of relocations, and why public dollars for new stadia are always a very, very bad deal for taxpayers.

Anyhooo, the the guy writes the site has gone into great detail about how KC is not a good spot for the next NHL franchise. In a nutshell, the owners of the arena do not want a franchise there. Their current business model is much more profitable.

P.S. He wrote a book in the early 1990s with the same name - still a franking fantastic read.
- Atomic Wedgie

So, second team in Ottawa?

I don’t understand the sucking every penny from the team mentality. Why don’t they take a decent number for both sides and not have the stress of having to perform at such a high level that any mistake will be crucified. Like Marner. Great player takes a lot of heat when he doesn’t perform. If he signed for 9 million he’s probably sleeping better at night.
- bryant

Do you give your employer discounts?

The odd player might to play for a favourite team (JT for instance even though he’s still extremely expensive) but not many. Just like any of us at work the take home amount of your pay is what matters, not the cost for the employer.

Chris Johnston on the CJ Show says it's not going well between the Leafs and William Nylander, they just see the world differently.

Nylander believes he should be a $10 million player or just a little above that on his next contract, whereas the Leafs have come at him with an 8

Do you give your employer discounts?

The odd player might to play for a favourite team (JT for instance even though he’s still extremely expensive) but not many. Just like any of us at work the take home amount of your pay is what matters, not the cost for the employer.
- Dozzer

Players take less to go where they want.

Or they chase the dollar.

Meier literally just said he took less to be in NJD.

Willy and Samsonov for Hellybuck, Nino Neider, 1st, Prospect (decent one)
- senstroll

Slim pickings

Houston, Kansas City and Atlanta for two expansions and one relocation. Probably KC first when the Coyotes crawl out of the desert.
- Canada Cup

Salt Lake wants in, too.

You really thinks Lindros was better than Forsberg?
- winsix

Had he stayed healthy, yes.
Forsberg is one of my all time favourite players, and the dictionary example of warrior. Lindros his first year or two was just a force of nature though. Gretzky in the body of a goon.

You really thinks Lindros was better than Forsberg?
- winsix

When healthy?

Hell yes.

And Forsberg was a HHOFer.

But damn, in his prime, Lindros was a sight to behold.

The most talented guy on the ice AND the most physically imposing guy on the ice.

I hated the Flyers (still do!), but I loved watching Lindros play.

The only guy I ever saw at the Gardens who made the building’s atmosphere more electric was Gretzky.

Yeah, that includes Lemieux.

So, second team in Ottawa?
- Canada Cup

I’m thinking second team 40 minutes outside of Ottawa.

Across the street from the Corel Centre, and schedule games in both arenas on the same night.

Chris Johnston on the CJ Show says it's not going well between the Leafs and William Nylander, they just see the world differently.

Nylander believes he should be a $10 million player or just a little above that on his next contract, whereas the Leafs have come at him with an 8
- Santo_44

Chris Johnston on the CJ Show says it's not going well between the Leafs and William Nylander, they just see the world differently.

Nylander believes he should be a $10 million player or just a little above that on his next contract, whereas the Leafs have come at him with an 8
- Santo_44

Lewis Gross clients (Goudreau, Krug, Saad, Dumoulin, Acciari) tend to go to free agency.

You really thinks Lindros was better than Forsberg?
- winsix

O-Dog who saw him upclose agrees.

Sometimes you can lose a deal on paper, but end up with a way better team. It's not just about asset value, but WHEN you can get an asset, and how it mixes with what you have.
Had he stayed healthy, Lindros was still the best player in the trade with Quebec, but the parts he got Que/Col won a cup. He didn't.
- oldstyle

I'd rather the Leafs not lose the trade. Which is what that trade is. Get the pieces you want, sure, but don't just give up on getting full value for the players you're trading away.

You really thinks Lindros was better than Forsberg?
- winsix

I think a healthy Lindros was for sure.

Lewis Gross clients (Goudreau, Krug, Saad, Dumoulin, Acciari) tend to go to free agency.
- Canada Cup

Wonder if there is anything around Willy and Debrincat.

Like I said earlier if a team trades for Nylander and signs him 7x10M, said team only needs to pay him 2.5M this year.

So it is a 8x9ishM in actual salary over 8 years.

Something Ottawa would be interested in being poor as (frank).

In case it wasn’t noticed I’ve already openly admitted to being wrong about Bertuzzi being willing to sign in Canada, like his playing style but I don’t like him, he’s proven he’s the type that puts himself first. He’ll be productive as hell on Matthews’ wing tho and his defensive liability will have another winger like Marner making up for it.

Domi I'm liking, no evidence to think it but I have a gut feeling playing for the leafs will amp him up a bit.

I’m thinking these signings are due to Keefe having more of a say, they’re pretty much more talented versions of what he was.

Interested in this upcoming season due to this tbh.
- Dozzer

They are based on Trees overall style he likes his teams to play and feedback from the team.

"Treliving spoke to the players and front office and learned the following:

•Lack of transition from defense to offense
•Lack of overall team toughness
•Lack of locker room identity and overall team bonding
•Too many jack of all trade types"

Than he addressed it all.

Players take less to go where they want.

Or they chase the dollar.

Meier literally just said he took less to be in NJD.
- Santo_44

That’s kind of the kicker, NJ is reasonably close taxation but still about 6% less. His take home is roughly $4.66 million. To match that in Toronto? Damn near bang on $10 million cap hit. What if in his and his agent’s mind they feel he’s already offering the discounted price?

I’m not arguing that he’s worth it just to be clear… $9-$9.5 tops in my mind.

They are based on Trees overall style he likes his teams to play and feedback from the team.

"Treliving spoke to the players and front office and learned the following:

•Lack of transition from defense to offense
•Lack of overall team toughness
•Lack of locker room identity and overall team bonding
•Too many jack of all trade types"

Than he addressed it all.
- Fakepartofme

It’s more than fair he’s a new GM, but is this also why Keefe remains the coach? Because he’s wanted this as well and it was Dubas causing the headache?

A guess I know but that’s why I’m interested to see what the game style will be this season, similar or notably different?

And move a team to Atlanta!

For the third time!

Because this time it's gonna work.

Right?
- Scabeh

The bizarre thing is that the answer is maybe. Timing is critical in so many things and just because something failed before doesn't mean it's destined to fail again. Atlanta is a huge market. So is Houston. I wouldn't even say that closing the door on Arizona today doesn't open the door in the future.

The Atlanta Flames were ultimately a product of the time - I don't know if they were ready in the 70's; attendance was weak and there were no television revenues negotiated for them. The Thrashers probably had a chance but when TBS sold the team, the new ownership was just misstep and after misstep and that team just sunk after starting to show some life. It's hard to sell a perennial loser to a new fanbase. You need to have a fanbase with over a 100 years of success at dealing with losing to lose that much. Trust me.

Similarly Arizona was just awful location, awful ownership, awful plans - and it's horrible. Even if some billionaire came along and bought them, I'm not sure THAT ship can be righted because who has any faith in it? It's best to let it sail elsewhere and come back in a decade with a stronger ownership group and plan.