Ya the d isn’t bad at all though eh. It’s a weird one for me you know. I would say the D is good as is if you had a better legit NHL starter tender.
But if not - I think it needs a better pure physical defensive dman added and another banger for the bottom 6 that can put up 20-30pts
- Big23Questions

I don’t mind them personally but I’ve got a feeling due to the FA signings that Treliving is looking to make the leafs more obnoxious and physical.

I have no clue what is being thought out here. Teams will also likely want to know what Willy wants contract wise before they figure out what they’d be willing to pay. (Since he previously sat out it’s a safe bet he’ll be willing to walk next July if no extension has been put in place)
- Dozzer

That’s the issue 100% With getting full value in a return. But it is what it is and you may lose the trade if you look at who got the better player but they can still win the trade cause their team would be better as a unit

I don’t mind them personally but I’ve got a feeling due to the FA signings that Treliving is looking to make the leafs more obnoxious and physical.
- Dozzer

Tree is for sure doing that and it’s about bloody time! They have be super talented and skilled for a long time but had no bite or personality/identity kinda like really expensive oatmeal or beige paint.
I like the road he’s going down for the buds.

That’s the issue 100% With getting full value in a return. But it is what it is and you may lose the trade if you look at who got the better player but they can still win the trade cause their team would be better as a unit
- Big23Questions

It’s also something that may just come down to this.

Is keeping him for the year a better choice even if he walks for nothing? They consider themselves cup contenders so what is worth more? His trade value or his usefulness on the ice this year?

Tree is for sure doing that and it’s about bloody time! They have be super talented and skilled for a long time but had no bite or personality/identity kinda like really expensive oatmeal or beige paint.
I like the road he’s going down for the buds.
- Big23Questions

So long as the coaching approach is tweaked as well it’s not bugging me.

Mitch checks off the PK box. That’s the only box.

Defence - NEITHER (MITCH Selke nom 🎤 ⬇️)

Hockey IQ - equal (Marner)

Offence - take away the secondary assists and it’s equal (MARNER. OBVIOUSLY)

Passing - Marner (easy)

Shooting scoring - Willy (Willy. But he takes more shots, Marners getting better. Willys release is better, but not amazing or anything.)

Skating - Willy (Mitch is great with edges east west but not speed) (Willy slight edge, probably his best attribute. Marner still very good)

Positioning - NEITHER (Marner)

Compete - Marner (regular season only when it’s not physical) (Marner. Will block shots, get in lanes, hunt pucks in the corner)

Overall I agree. Marner is better. He is absolutely by no means millions and millions better. Frankly at their current salaries I’d take Willy all day long. (I’d take Mitch. Hockey is fun )
- Big23Questions

It’s also something that may just come down to this.

Is keeping him for the year a better choice even if he walks for nothing? They consider themselves cup contenders so what is worth more? His trade value or his usefulness on the ice this year?
- Dozzer

Gamble for sure. That’s a decent option though. If you feel that the team won’t improve with the trade but can compete for a Cup - then keep and let walk. A trade just to get something rather than nothing isn’t good when the team is this close.

Sudbury Blueberry Bulldogs!
- Big23Questions

The Sudbury Saturday Nights.

Gamble for sure. That’s a decent option though. If you feel that the team won’t improve with the trade but can compete for a Cup - then keep and let walk. A trade just to get something rather than nothing isn’t good when the team is this close.
- Big23Questions

Yeah, it’s kind of how I’m seeing things, obviously moving him for a decent return that doesn’t hurt the lineup is ideal but not always possible.

Do you give your employer discounts?

The odd player might to play for a favourite team (JT for instance even though he’s still extremely expensive) but not many. Just like any of us at work the take home amount of your pay is what matters, not the cost for the employer.
- Dozzer

Me and nylander are a little different lol he’ll make over a 100 million in career earnings pretty easily. What’s the difference between 125 and a 117 million dollars at that point. If it’s a 4th liner that is trying to set himself up for life then that’s different but these guys won’t have money issues for the rest of their lives providing they don’t do something stupid.

- 21peter

Sitting in a room where instead of paint or wallpaper they used mirrors?

- 21peter

Sitting in a room where instead of paint or wallpaper they used mirrors?
- Dozzer

guilty

Sitting in a room where instead of paint or wallpaper they used mirrors?
- Dozzer

Me and nylander are a little different lol he’ll make over a 100 million in career earnings pretty easily. What’s the difference between 125 and a 117 million dollars at that point. If it’s a 4th liner that is trying to set himself up for life then that’s different but these guys won’t have money issues for the rest of their lives providing they don’t do something stupid.
- bryant

Lol true. I get what you’re saying but even if it seems greedy to us it’s not whatsoever to the wealthy and is considered foolishness to give up more than you can get unless you’re essentially paying for a personal desire.

guilty
- 21peter

I’m no better

- Arctic_AARDVARK

My last post on this man.

Selke: The scholastics also pick the dman who gets most pts and give him a Norris…Karlsson most likely this season and he is absolutely awful at defence.
The only awards with meaning/impact are stats related (goals, pts, etc) and the Teddy trophy. Friedman, Seravelli and those dorks who never played puck beyond house league or select can pick whoever they want man. They never played the game they are journalists.
Players, coaches, GMs should vote only.

16v88: Marner
- Better penalty killer
- Better playmaker/passer
- Chemistry with 34
- No physicality
- Timid playoff time

Nylander
- Better shot/goal scorer
- Faster (north south…Mitch has good edges)
- Stronger on puck (stronger stick)
- Chemistry with 34
- No physicality
- Decent performer playoffs (typically one of the Leafs better off it best)
- CHEAPER as an offensive winger


BOTH real good talented players who any team would love to have! Just makes sense for Leafs to unload the higher priced winger that more than likely had better trade value. They will still have a real talented winger in Nylander and will be just fine spreading around Marners Cap hit to fill out a more complete roster.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

I promise I said it with kindness! Lol

Lol true. I get what you’re saying but even if it seems greedy to us it’s not whatsoever to the wealthy and is considered foolishness to give up more than you can get unless you’re essentially paying for a personal desire.
- Dozzer

Just looked it up. He will have made 48+ million after next year. If he signs a 10x8 that’s another 80 million.

If that’s their attitude then I hope the leafs trade every player like that. Can’t have that on the team. Sucking every penny from the team and not being able to fill out a competitive roster.

I promise I said it with kindness! Lol
- Dozzer

he wouldn't understand that kinda complexity

Just looked it up. He will have made 48+ million after next year. If he signs a 10x8 that’s another 80 million.

If that’s their attitude then I hope the leafs trade every player like that. Can’t have that on the team. Sucking every penny from the team and not being able to fill out a competitive roster.
- bryant

Well it is unfair that the NHL culture is elite players need to take pay cuts to win…

I don’t blame some for trying to change that.

GMs have no problem giving Killorn a contract that’ll likely overpay him by 7-10M over the course of his contract.

But Meier needs to take less so his team can win…

Well it is unfair that the NHL culture is elite players need to take pay cuts to win…

I don’t blame some for trying to change that.

GMs have no problem giving Killorn a contract that’ll likely overpay him by 7-10M over the course of his contract.

But Meier needs to take less so his team can win…
- Santo_44

Well they eat up a lot of the cap space. If there was no cap then I wouldn’t care. The mentality has to start changing on this team.

Well they eat up a lot of the cap space. If there was no cap then I wouldn’t care. The mentality has to start changing on this team.
- bryant

They are also the reasons any team has any success.

It’s just stupid how it works.

What would be best is if no one was underpaid or overpaid.

Stop paying the Serversons, Killorns, ect because you are desperate to be relevant.

For what it’s worth 10M would have Nylander being slightly overpaid but there are teams that would gladly do it.

My last post on this man.

Selke: The scholastics also pick the dman who gets most pts and give him a Norris…Karlsson most likely this season and he is absolutely awful at defence.
The only awards with meaning/impact are stats related (goals, pts, etc) and the Teddy trophy. Friedman, Seravelli and those dorks who never played puck beyond house league or select can pick whoever they want man. They never played the game they are journalists.
Players, coaches, GMs should vote only.

16v88: Marner
- Better penalty killer
- Better playmaker/passer
- Chemistry with 34
- No physicality
- Timid playoff time

Nylander
- Better shot/goal scorer
- Faster (north south…Mitch has good edges)
- Stronger on puck (stronger stick)
- Chemistry with 34
- No physicality
- Decent performer playoffs (typically one of the Leafs better off it best)
- CHEAPER as an offensive winger


BOTH real good talented players who any team would love to have! Just makes sense for Leafs to unload the higher priced winger that more than likely had better trade value. They will still have a real talented winger in Nylander and will be just fine spreading around Marners Cap hit to fill out a more complete roster.
- Big23Questions

I don’t get this “better playoff performer narrative.” Mitch was better this playoffs than Nylander. But both could’ve made a larger impact, though.

At the root of it, Marner was vilified from the get go by the Willy-stans and 12 girls whose Dad watches the Leafs. This particular sect of “fans” are exactly like people who follow populist leaders. They attacked his father, made Mitch feel hurt, demand he get traded, always cry when Willy doesn’t get to play with AM34 etc. Remember how awful they were when Mitch was off to a slow start? Mitch set records that year. Almost got 100 pts. Was nominated for the Selke. Then goes on and puts up 14 pts on 11gp and was a +7.