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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jul 4 @ 8:56 AM ET
What if he didn’t want to be the 3rd line center?

Reaves said in his interview.
I heard (the Leafs room is) quiet, but I don’t know if it’s cliquey or whatever. If it is, we can address it. I’ve heard it’s a great locker room.”

- Woderwick

I dont believe it had to do with maybe being on the 3rd line. Chances are he would have been the 2nd line center and jt moved to wing.
And it doesn't seem it had anything to do with taxes etc.
By the sounds of it, his brother lives in Nashville, ror is a music guy, and he likes his anonymity.
I think it was as simply as that.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jul 4 @ 9:02 AM ET
(Last post on this…promise this time)

I’m not a heavy stats at all. They are great to a point. There are a lot of stats that have too much influence from factors a player can’t control and to a certain degree hockey stats can be subjective just as much as the eye test. Hits, Forcing turnovers, give aways - there are a bunch.
Mostly though they can be cherry picked as everyone knows. But I’ll give it a go:

Mitch $10.9 M
Willy $6.9 M

I just personally don’t see the gap.

Marner +18
Willy + 10

Pts - Marner 99
Willy 87

GWG - Marner 4
Willy 5

PPP - Marner 36
Willy 28

PPG - Marner 9
Willy 9

P/GP - Marner 1.24
Willy 1.06

EVG - Marner 17
Willy 31

EVP - Marner 58
Willy 59

OTG - Marner 2
Willy 3


Hope I re type them all correct. Honest mistake of not there folks

- Big23Questions

Heres the thing, dubas created monsters. He overpaid both am and mm, neither should have been over 10m....at all.
Am 9.5 max and marner 8.5 - 9 max.
But dubas threw bundles of cash at them, and now willie looks at what marner was overpaid and probably how he'll get an increase in that overpayment and says hey, im worth 10m because look what they get paid.
Reality is based on comparables outside the team, willie should only be 8.5 - 9.3 ish long term. But based on the comparables ON the team, i understand why he wants 10m.
Which will probably see him traded.....or marner.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 4 @ 9:03 AM ET
Nylander Robertson and Murray
for
Saros Fabbro and Sissons

Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:34 AM ET
Nylander Robertson and Murray
for
Saros Fabbro and Sissons

Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander

- mr.sir

$ doesn’t work for Leafs.
.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 4 @ 9:35 AM ET
Nylander Robertson and Murray
for
Saros Fabbro and Sissons

Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander

- mr.sir


Don’t love that trade, tbh.
🤮
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:35 AM ET
Don’t love that trade, tbh.
🤮

- .HOHO.


Good, because it's not happening.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Jul 4 @ 9:40 AM ET
Early days but I'm liking the idea of Domi playing with 34 and Bertuzzi with JT.

Matthews can hide his defensive weakness and Domi ends every shift with some face washing and drags 34 into a few more battles.

Knies can help drive line 3.

Curious to see if Reaves still skates well enough to knock down some blue liners.

Blue line still needs sumpin' sumpin'.

- The Law


Would be good to see Knies with JT or Matthews, preferably JT to see at least a bit lesser quality completion.

I think it would be better to grow the kid by not having him be the focal point on his line, expecting him to drive his own line after a couple handfuls of NHL games is probably setting him up for failure to a degree.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 4 @ 9:51 AM ET
$ doesn’t work for Leafs.
- Canada Cup

It will after Brodie is traded🤔
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:53 AM ET
Nylander Robertson and Murray
for
Saros Fabbro and Sissons

Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander

- mr.sir


Are you saying Nylander is worth Saros, Fabbro AND Sissions?

Clearly Murray is negative value and Robertson is nothing more than a late round pick.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 4 @ 9:54 AM ET
Are you saying Nylander is worth Saros, Fabbro AND Sissions?

Clearly Murray is negative value and Robertson is nothing more than a late round pick.

- Glak18

And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:55 AM ET
And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd

- mr.sir


Maybe.

Kid is obviously talented but he's one injury away from being worth very little imo.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 4 @ 9:56 AM ET
Maybe.

Kid is obviously talented but he's one injury away from being worth very little imo.

- Scabeh

15-20 goals next year
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:57 AM ET
And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd

- mr.sir


Robertson is not worth better than a 3rd. A 4th if a team thinks he might be able to bounce back, but most likely a reclamation project for a reclamation type trade or 5th-6th.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jul 4 @ 9:58 AM ET
Robertson is not worth better than a 3rd. A 4th if a team thinks he might be able to bounce back, but most likely a reclamation project for a reclamation type trade or 5th-6th.
- Glak18

Dallas would pay more….
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:58 AM ET
15-20 goals next year
- mr.sir


He scores 15-20 goals next year then he brings his value to a 2nd.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 9:59 AM ET
15-20 goals next year
- mr.sir


If he plays. Maybe.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:03 AM ET
And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd

- mr.sir

Doesn’t matter cause Leafs can’t afford it. Murray has to go out with no $ coming back so returning players can’t cost more than Willie/Nickie
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jul 4 @ 10:07 AM ET
He scores 15-20 goals next year then he brings his value to a 2nd.
- Glak18


Sounds like Konecny would have negative value then with his contract. He probably is a cap dump?
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 4 @ 10:08 AM ET
Nylander Robertson and Murray
for
Saros Fabbro and Sissons

Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander

- mr.sir


Leafs do need to offload Murray
but if you are tradin for Saros, id think you have to give up one of Woll or samsonov..at least to even out the value, but also, Saros is the starter...and one of them would have to go then. Makes sense to me Woll would stay at the backup/starter of the future

same scenario I put out for Hellybuck. with Samsonov going the other way

Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 4 @ 10:09 AM ET
I think Matthews gets signed first, followed not long after by Nylander. (Willie now likely to be traded today.)
- Canada Cup

Yeah, Friedman mentioned Willy may be waiting. “If Matthews and Marner accept a lower offer, then he will too.”
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:10 AM ET
Yeah, Friedman mentioned Willy may be waiting. “If Matthews and Marner accept a lower offer, then he will too.”
- Woderwick


Well he did get the short end of the stick last time.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:12 AM ET
Well he did get the short end of the stick last time.
- Scabeh

Just based on performance, the gap between AM/MM is too big
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 4 @ 10:16 AM ET
Sounds like Konecny would have negative value then with his contract. He probably is a cap dump?
- Archaic


How many 15 goal seasons has Robertson had in his career?

Most point per game players averaging 0.52 goals a game tend to have negative value. He makes the same as Bertuzzi and Bertuzzi is a Konecny-Lite.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jul 4 @ 10:22 AM ET
How many 15 goal seasons has Robertson had in his career?

Most point per game players averaging 0.52 goals a game tend to have negative value. He makes the same as Bertuzzi and Bertuzzi is a Konecny-Lite.

- Glak18



I mean Konency had 1 really good season, and didnt even play 82 games last year.

id expect him to revert back to his norm this year. Maybe another healthy scratch this year?
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jul 4 @ 10:26 AM ET
Well he did get the short end of the stick last time.
- Scabeh

Not really. You could say he grew into his contract.lol
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