Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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What if he didn’t want to be the 3rd line center?
Reaves said in his interview.
I heard (the Leafs room is) quiet, but I don’t know if it’s cliquey or whatever. If it is, we can address it. I’ve heard it’s a great locker room.” - Woderwick
I dont believe it had to do with maybe being on the 3rd line. Chances are he would have been the 2nd line center and jt moved to wing.
And it doesn't seem it had anything to do with taxes etc.
By the sounds of it, his brother lives in Nashville, ror is a music guy, and he likes his anonymity.
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Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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(Last post on this…promise this time)
I’m not a heavy stats at all. They are great to a point. There are a lot of stats that have too much influence from factors a player can’t control and to a certain degree hockey stats can be subjective just as much as the eye test. Hits, Forcing turnovers, give aways - there are a bunch.
Mostly though they can be cherry picked as everyone knows. But I’ll give it a go:
Mitch $10.9 M
Willy $6.9 M
I just personally don’t see the gap.
Marner +18
Willy + 10
Pts - Marner 99
Willy 87
GWG - Marner 4
Willy 5
PPP - Marner 36
Willy 28
PPG - Marner 9
Willy 9
P/GP - Marner 1.24
Willy 1.06
EVG - Marner 17
Willy 31
EVP - Marner 58
Willy 59
OTG - Marner 2
Willy 3
Hope I re type them all correct. Honest mistake of not there folks - Big23Questions
Heres the thing, dubas created monsters. He overpaid both am and mm, neither should have been over 10m....at all.
Am 9.5 max and marner 8.5 - 9 max.
But dubas threw bundles of cash at them, and now willie looks at what marner was overpaid and probably how he'll get an increase in that overpayment and says hey, im worth 10m because look what they get paid.
Reality is based on comparables outside the team, willie should only be 8.5 - 9.3 ish long term. But based on the comparables ON the team, i understand why he wants 10m.
Which will probably see him traded.....or marner. |
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mr.sir
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Location: Vancouver Island, BC Joined: 01.18.2015
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Nylander Robertson and Murray
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Saros Fabbro and Sissons
Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander |
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Canada Cup
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Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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Nylander Robertson and Murray
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Saros Fabbro and Sissons
Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander - mr.sir
$ doesn’t work for Leafs. |
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.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS Joined: 07.05.2010
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Nylander Robertson and Murray
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Saros Fabbro and Sissons
Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander - mr.sir
Don’t love that trade, tbh.
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Don’t love that trade, tbh.
🤮 - .HOHO.
Good, because it's not happening.
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Early days but I'm liking the idea of Domi playing with 34 and Bertuzzi with JT.
Matthews can hide his defensive weakness and Domi ends every shift with some face washing and drags 34 into a few more battles.
Knies can help drive line 3.
Curious to see if Reaves still skates well enough to knock down some blue liners.
Blue line still needs sumpin' sumpin'. - The Law
Would be good to see Knies with JT or Matthews, preferably JT to see at least a bit lesser quality completion.
I think it would be better to grow the kid by not having him be the focal point on his line, expecting him to drive his own line after a couple handfuls of NHL games is probably setting him up for failure to a degree. |
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mr.sir
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Location: Vancouver Island, BC Joined: 01.18.2015
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$ doesn’t work for Leafs. - Canada Cup
It will after Brodie is traded🤔 |
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Glak18
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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Nylander Robertson and Murray
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Saros Fabbro and Sissons
Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander - mr.sir
Are you saying Nylander is worth Saros, Fabbro AND Sissions?
Clearly Murray is negative value and Robertson is nothing more than a late round pick.
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mr.sir
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Are you saying Nylander is worth Saros, Fabbro AND Sissions?
Clearly Murray is negative value and Robertson is nothing more than a late round pick. - Glak18
And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd |
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Scabeh
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And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd - mr.sir
Maybe.
Kid is obviously talented but he's one injury away from being worth very little imo.
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mr.sir
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Maybe.
Kid is obviously talented but he's one injury away from being worth very little imo. - Scabeh
15-20 goals next year |
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Glak18
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And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd - mr.sir
Robertson is not worth better than a 3rd. A 4th if a team thinks he might be able to bounce back, but most likely a reclamation project for a reclamation type trade or 5th-6th.
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mr.sir
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Robertson is not worth better than a 3rd. A 4th if a team thinks he might be able to bounce back, but most likely a reclamation project for a reclamation type trade or 5th-6th. - Glak18
Dallas would pay more…. |
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Glak18
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15-20 goals next year - mr.sir
He scores 15-20 goals next year then he brings his value to a 2nd.
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Scabeh
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15-20 goals next year - mr.sir
If he plays. Maybe.
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Canada Cup
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And yet some Leafers don’t like it 🙄🤷
Robertson is worth a 2nd - mr.sir
Doesn’t matter cause Leafs can’t afford it. Murray has to go out with no $ coming back so returning players can’t cost more than Willie/Nickie |
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Archaic
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Location: Waterloo, ON Joined: 01.12.2011
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He scores 15-20 goals next year then he brings his value to a 2nd. - Glak18
Sounds like Konecny would have negative value then with his contract. He probably is a cap dump? |
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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Nylander Robertson and Murray
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Saros Fabbro and Sissons
Nashville top line
Forsberg ROR Nylander - mr.sir
Leafs do need to offload Murray
but if you are tradin for Saros, id think you have to give up one of Woll or samsonov..at least to even out the value, but also, Saros is the starter...and one of them would have to go then. Makes sense to me Woll would stay at the backup/starter of the future
same scenario I put out for Hellybuck. with Samsonov going the other way
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Woderwick
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I think Matthews gets signed first, followed not long after by Nylander. (Willie now likely to be traded today.) - Canada Cup
Yeah, Friedman mentioned Willy may be waiting. “If Matthews and Marner accept a lower offer, then he will too.” |
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Scabeh
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Yeah, Friedman mentioned Willy may be waiting. “If Matthews and Marner accept a lower offer, then he will too.” - Woderwick
Well he did get the short end of the stick last time.
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Well he did get the short end of the stick last time. - Scabeh
Just based on performance, the gap between AM/MM is too big |
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Glak18
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Sounds like Konecny would have negative value then with his contract. He probably is a cap dump? - Archaic
How many 15 goal seasons has Robertson had in his career?
Most point per game players averaging 0.52 goals a game tend to have negative value. He makes the same as Bertuzzi and Bertuzzi is a Konecny-Lite.
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Archaic
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How many 15 goal seasons has Robertson had in his career?
Most point per game players averaging 0.52 goals a game tend to have negative value. He makes the same as Bertuzzi and Bertuzzi is a Konecny-Lite. - Glak18
I mean Konency had 1 really good season, and didnt even play 82 games last year.
id expect him to revert back to his norm this year. Maybe another healthy scratch this year? |
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Woderwick
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Well he did get the short end of the stick last time. - Scabeh
Not really. You could say he grew into his contract.lol |
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