Saad's father talked him out of a home town discount multiple dynamics at play.
- rpeters01

Exactly my point!

Bickell was in the last year of his contract and should have been bought out instead of throwing in TT to make his contract go away. Bowman chose to commit $3M to Kruger when he could have been replaced with a league minimum player. Not saying Kruger wasn't a valuable piece of the later Cup teams because he was, but he became an expensive, unaffordable luxury. Bowman chose to keep the plow horse over a (relative) thoroughbred. Coming after the horrible Danault trade at the '16 deadline, Bowman got rid of the only potential cheap offensive forward contributors in the system...
- Davewn

The TT we traded was an alligator armed floater due a new contract. But we'd seen enough, he was what he was, or not.

Before Sharp there was Ken Hodge.
- rpeters01

And Fred Stanfield

The TT we traded was an alligator armed floater due a new contract. But we'd seen enough, he was what he was, or not.
- rpeters01

And TT was the cost of moving out a bad contract of a guy, Bickell, who it was thought had lost his athletic abilities when it fact he was ill with an undiagnosed disease.

And Fred Stanfield
- LAHawk

Yeah I didn't want to make myself cry throw in Esposito too.

I have watched quite a few Rags games, while I do see some of the attributes that Wiz mentioned when AF was 18, to me he is an average skater, however at this point in the rebuild I would take him for the right price. As a 21 year old, he fits the narrative, and you have to bring in some young players along with draft picks, need a mixture of both. I do understand bringing in the vets that they did to help Bedard out, but going forward they need to focus on acquiring players <24 years old without not necessarily mortgaging the future, but not impacting future success of the team. Some LD’s will be moved within the next couple of years, maybe one of them goes back to the Rangers as part the trade.
- Angotti

His success in junior was much about how he was talented offensively, aggressive to the middle and how he used his shot, and movement and passes. The scouting world always values the prospects who have established themselves over more than one season as excellent offensive attackers. He was one.

I find Lafrenière an interesting "get" but believe me, I wouldn't go asking, unless the Rangers are actively shopping him, and the Ottawa and Montreal franchises are not active bidders.

I think that Lafrenière has learned to quickly send pucks to teammates after just receiving them.

There is room for his age to grow.
Guys like this (First picks in year's when there isn't talk of generational prospects) can be essential to bumping up a team's scoring.

And TT was the cost of moving out a bad contract of a guy, Bickell, who it was thought had lost his athletic abilities when it fact he was ill with an undiagnosed disease.
- paulr

Our doctors had two years to figure it out. There's a a lot of great medicine in the Raleigh Durham area.

Our doctors had two years to figure it out. There's a a lot of great medicine in the Raleigh Durham area.
- rpeters01

While that wasn’t my point, you’re right, why wasn’t the disease diagnosed in Chicago? Could Bickell have had additional/different symptoms when he left the Blackhawks?

My point was the cost to get rid of Bickell’s contract was TT.

There's a YouTube floating around Connor Bedard was unhappy with the unconventional Hawks development camp. He wanted more on ice time.

While that wasn’t my point, you’re right, why wasn’t the disease diagnosed in Chicago? Could Bickell have had additional/different symptoms when he left the Blackhawks?

My point was the cost to get rid of Bickell’s contract was TT.
- paulr

Understood.

Good read, thanks for the link.
- LAHawk

Several longshots in the group. Like to see Gajan, and one or two of Kantserov/Misiak/Marcel make it eventually. Marcel will be 20 in October. I wonder if he signs a ELC next season and plays at Rockford.

The TT we traded was an alligator armed floater due a new contract. But we'd seen enough, he was what he was, or not.
- rpeters01

Thanks! Saved me the keystrokes. TT then wasn’t what we see now. Even on this board, until he was thrown into that deal, his work ethic, commitment to the game and ceiling were all questioned.

There's a YouTube floating around Connor Bedard was unhappy with the unconventional Hawks development camp. He wanted more on ice time.
- rpeters01

Trade him now.

There's a YouTube floating around Connor Bedard was unhappy with the unconventional Hawks development camp. He wanted more on ice time.
- rpeters01

I think Connor Bedard will never have enough ice time.

Trade him now.
- DarthKane

To Ottawa.

Well Rico, thank you for the heads up on Stevie Y lol! I wasn't using him in reference that he is the best GM in the league by any stretch, but going by what he did in Tampa and what he is doing (so far) in Detroit, I personally feel he has done a good job. Noted to keep him off the radar here as I have said before its been a bit since I have been actively posting.

With that being said, being a NYer, and watching the Rangers play ALL the time, not a huge fan of going after Laf unless the Hawks can really make it a deal where they completely win. Out of the 3 youngsters on the team (Laf, Kakko and Chytil,) Laf IMO has been by far the bust of the 3. Numbers don't always translate skill as we all know. Just feel giving up a 2nd because we have picks isn't worth the gamble and basically most teams in the league feel that way because technically speaking he should be all over the news.

Lastly, the Hawks left side looks pretty jammed up so even if they got Laf where does he go? He is at a point in his career where he can't sit in the bottom 6 anymore

Well Rico, thank you for the heads up on Stevie Y lol! I wasn't using him in reference that he is the best GM in the league by any stretch, but going by what he did in Tampa and what he is doing (so far) in Detroit, I personally feel he has done a good job. Noted to keep him off the radar here as I have said before its been a bit since I have been actively posting.

With that being said, being a NYer, and watching the Rangers play ALL the time, not a huge fan of going after Laf unless the Hawks can really make it a deal where they completely win. Out of the 3 youngsters on the team (Laf, Kakko and Chytil,) Laf IMO has been by far the bust of the 3. Numbers don't always translate skill as we all know. Just feel giving up a 2nd because we have picks isn't worth the gamble and basically most teams in the league feel that way because technically speaking he should be all over the news.

Lastly, the Hawks left side looks pretty jammed up so even if they got Laf where does he go? He is at a point in his career where he can't sit in the bottom 6 anymore
- purepone

Quantity yes, quality not so much.

I would love to say yes, but if history is any indication, likely not. Would extra $2M be enough to not have to launch Bickell, and to pay the piper when Hammer's team friendly deal ended, etc, etc? Ultimately, I think that money would be gobbled up rather quickly in other areas. Sure it would help some, but I would guess that it would not have made much of a difference.

However... I literally just said "I would guess", so what do I know.
- Chunk

All that was needed was for Leddy to have moved over to his right and maybe they would have another cup. Or maybe if the linesman would have visited the ophthalmologist before that game seven with the Kings…

All that was needed was for Leddy to have moved over to his right and maybe they would have another cup. Or maybe if the linesman would have visited the ophthalmologist before that game seven with the Kings…
- Angotti

And if the queen had balls she’d be the king. 😂

All joking aside. I’m sure there were a number of infractions that could have also been called on the Hawks that could have changed things.

I think Connor Bedard will never have enough ice time.
- LAHawk

After reading a Swimfan amount of material about Bedard, completely agree that he’s someone you have to drag off the ice. Jagr having keys to the rink so he can close up level dedication. I can’t wait to hear more stories about some of the crazy training he does. Finding out that Jagr would shoot a medicine ball at the wall, but a baseball bat wright in the end of his stick, ankle weights, weighted vest… that stuff is legendary.

A lot of factors outside of Kane and Toews’ mega deals hurt too. The Bickell deal was an overpay even if he stayed healthy. Danault for Weiss Fleischmann was a move Q wanted for veteran help, would’ve solved our 2C issue to keep Danault. If we didn’t overpay Bickell we could’ve kept Saad. Trading Panarin/Hammer were the final nails. The team got demonstrably worse for about $1M in cap savings.

Crawford lived up to his deal, but on a team with superstar players and big contracts, you can’t afford a $6M goalie.

The Seabrook deal was killer, but we’ve beaten that horse to death.
- ObeseOprah

Still disagree with this. If healthy, it wasn't an overpay.

And if the queen had balls she’d be the king. 😂

All joking aside. I’m sure there were a number of infractions that could have also been called on the Hawks that could have changed things.
- Chunk

Probably, but what Hawk fan remembers those.

There's a YouTube floating around Connor Bedard was unhappy with the unconventional Hawks development camp. He wanted more on ice time.
- rpeters01

Oh god, here we go again. The "he's going to pull a Lindros (another guy who won notta) because he doesn't like the Hawks" didn't work out, so now its going to be this

I saw about 5 or 6 different videos of the camp, sure looked like he was enjoying himself to me.

Thanks! Saved me the keystrokes. TT then wasn’t what we see now. Even on this board, until he was thrown into that deal, his work ethic, commitment to the game and ceiling were all questioned.
- HawkintheD

And lets not make him out as the end all right now even. He's a good player, not great.

Well Rico, thank you for the heads up on Stevie Y lol! I wasn't using him in reference that he is the best GM in the league by any stretch, but going by what he did in Tampa and what he is doing (so far) in Detroit, I personally feel he has done a good job. Noted to keep him off the radar here as I have said before its been a bit since I have been actively posting.

With that being said, being a NYer, and watching the Rangers play ALL the time, not a huge fan of going after Laf unless the Hawks can really make it a deal where they completely win. Out of the 3 youngsters on the team (Laf, Kakko and Chytil,) Laf IMO has been by far the bust of the 3. Numbers don't always translate skill as we all know. Just feel giving up a 2nd because we have picks isn't worth the gamble and basically most teams in the league feel that way because technically speaking he should be all over the news.

Lastly, the Hawks left side looks pretty jammed up so even if they got Laf where does he go? He is at a point in his career where he can't sit in the bottom 6 anymore
- purepone

If you are going to come back to the major leagues of posting sites, there's no time to be a rookie, you'll need to hit the ground running, keep up, or get out of the way.

Kidding of course, don't take it personal, its much easier here if you don't.