I don’t mind being the middleman for Karlsson. But I hope we at least get a first round pick, plus, plus.
- Ztra

I am simply trying to comprehend WHY any current NHL club would send a king's ransom in picks for Erik Karlsson.
He was broken 70 points in a year five times.

This idea that he is going to lead any team to the promise land goes on the back burner until he LEADS any team in any way, period.

Count me in the 20% that think he is not worth huge assets at this point, because you
a) DO KNOW WHAT you are getting defensively,
b) You know the guy has offensive skills during the season, with little or no track record with his 8 goals / 45 points in 68 playoff appearances.

Unless this will be the start of the Kyle Dubas / Kyle from Chicago do-over redux for the Penquins fall to tank mode.

Maybe
But Penguins cannot afford to be surrendering any more assets to upgrade in goal. Their goaltending isn’t bad anyway
As for trading Yager, he is their checking center with some offense to his game as well. They may have Crosby until he retired but Malkin and Letang I bet go for draft choices after next season. Dumas must rebuild maybe on the fly because the team does have good players; it is just that Crosby, Malkin and Letang are getting too old to be always the big stars. In Yaeger they see center depth and they like his game. I bet they would sacrifice anywhere else before trading Yarger

Interesting they allowed Doumolin to leave. Penguins will struggle ti make playoffs

I think a couple NHL teams are gambling on waiting out DCst for a lower salary. Once Hellybuyck signs then Gibson is right behind signing somewhere

It doesn’t make sense that Chicago takes on four years of Karlsson salary without getting something better than a 2nd round pick

Karlssin yo Pittsburgh makes more sense than Carolina. Teams are purposely low balling for Karlsson
- jhawk59

I think that might be the hold up. Read hawks want a 1st + for taking on 4 years of Karlsson contract and teams are balking at the asking price.

You guys are nuts if you think the Blackhawks can get real prospects or Crosby (?) for karlsson to be a Penguin?????
(And the reason they would make the trade is for Crosby, Malkin, and the old core, so Pens aren't giving Crosby away, the Maple leafs are not giving Knies away.

Dream on!

The only possible way the Hawks eat some Karlsson Cap is 2027, 2031 and 2033 draft picks...

Moore will probably start on L2 and 2nd unit PP at U of MN as a true freshman. They have a great squad and that will allow the kid to acclimate unhurried, much like Nazar before he was hurt. Perfect path for Moore IMO and he'll play in big games next yr.
- Mr Ricochet

...and the maybe on wing at Minnesota with Logan Cooley now that Knies turned pro.

Where did you see that?

Don't want to retain for 4 years on Karlsson. If anything take Granlund and the picks for future considerations in a separate trade with the Penguins enabling them to shed some cap hit. Then buy out Granlund. Hawks will have a second buy out window since Kurashev is going to arbitration.
- boilermaker100

The way I heard it we will take Granlund and his 5mil along with a pick and or prospects for future considerations same with the Leafs for Murray . With Murray and Maz in net we will have lots of games for Soderblom

You guys are nuts if you think the Blackhawks can get real prospects or Crosby (?) for karlsson to be a Penguin?????
(And the reason they would make the trade is for Crosby, Malkin, and the old core, so Pens aren't giving Crosby away, the Maple leafs are not giving Knies away.

Dream on!

The only possible way the Hawks eat some Karlsson Cap is 2027, 2031 and 2033 draft picks...
- wiz1901

If Karlsson lands in Pittsburgh the objective is for the older veterans to advance in playoffs. It is an epic failure to not accept that the Penguins need to rebuild even if on the fly. And of course Crosby isn’t flying to another nhl city…he is grounded in Pittsburgh.

I feel like Dumas better not be trading many first round choices…..it will lead to his and Penguins demise maybe even sooner than later

If Karlsson lands in Pittsburgh the objective is for the older veterans to advance in playoffs. It is an epic failure to not accept that the Penguins need to rebuild even if on the fly. And of course Crosby isn’t flying to another nhl city…he is grounded in Pittsburgh.

I feel like Dumas better not be trading many first round choices…..it will lead to his and Penguins demise maybe even sooner than later
- jhawk59

Think about this:If Karlsson goes to Carolina, can you imagine the plus and minus or advantage/detrimental situation on their blue line. You want balance on defense and how much total TOI you give those three - they represent a lot of offense but defensively you know sometimes a team has to play……defense! Orlov is not good defensively - correct. Burns and Karlsson are skilled offensive generators not really strong defensively.

Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. Apparently if Pesce is part of that trade then Canes still retain Slavin.

Actually Canes should be holding onto Jarvis who can score goals and not load up with Karlsson on defense. I wouldn’t make the trade if I was Carolina GM.

This is what stands out immediately to myself if Karlsson goes to Carolina.

But what do I know - if you say the trade makes sense, please tell why

Think about this:If Karlsson goes to Carolina, can you imagine the plus and minus or advantage/detrimental situation on their blue line. You want balance on defense and how much total TOI you give those three - they represent a lot of offense but defensively you know sometimes a team has to play……defense! Orlov is not good defensively - correct. Burns and Karlsson are skilled offensive generators not really strong defensively.
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. Apparently if Pesce is part of that trade then Canes still retain Slavin.

Actually Canes should be holding onto Jarvis who can score goals and not load up with Karlsson on defense. I wouldn’t make the trade if I was Carolina GM.

This is what stands out immediately to myself if Karlsson goes to Carolina.

But what do I know - if you say the trade makes sense, please tell why
- jhawk59

Since when did Orlov become bad defensively?

Since when did Orlov become bad defensively?
- LAHawk

Last Tuesday.

Last Tuesday.
- mohel

I got that memo. Didn’t everyone?

Since when did Orlov become bad defensively?
- LAHawk

Always had read and thought defense was his weak link

You guys are nuts if you think the Blackhawks can get real prospects or Crosby (?) for karlsson to be a Penguin?????
(And the reason they would make the trade is for Crosby, Malkin, and the old core, so Pens aren't giving Crosby away, the Maple leafs are not giving Knies away.

Dream on!

The only possible way the Hawks eat some Karlsson Cap is 2027, 2031 and 2033 draft picks...
- wiz1901

Well I sort of wanted to write this when I read the above - but I give Wiz credit for everything, apart from someone finding the limit for what he can take .

This Daily Faceoff Podcast is dated June 14th. The guest is brainiac analytics guy Eric Tulsky who has worked for CAR for 10 yrs. Dude was a chemist/scientist with 26 patents before he jumped into the NHL full time........ Most know him cuz he interviewed for the Hawks GM job before KD was hired.

Found this thing really helpful and informative. The interview starts at the 27 minute mark. ..... And yo LA, about the 40:00 mark they mention another pioneer in the analytics field who works for the Kings.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....-assistant-gm-eric-tulsky

This ain't usually my thing but PIT is really interesting. They resigned their old man core, Letang and Malkin, last yr to term, added Dman Graves, top 6 guy Reilly Smith and bottom 6 guys Eller and Acciara along with new GM Dubas. Nice adds by the way addressing a few needs.

They are definitely in win now mode as the core ages and are 2.3 mil over the cap. I'm assuming they think they have to be bold with the core aging, all are 3 over 35 and little in the pipeline.

Obviously they have to move money out to add. The word is they are looking hard at Karlsson and to do that they gotta be really creative. Or do they look to add a really good 2C in 30 yr old Schiefele moving 36 yr old Malkin to wing?

Are they gonna go all Vegas and screw tomorrow for today and figure it out as they go and load up knowing a Schiefele and Guentzel are only signed for a yr or 4 yrs of Karlsson?

No matter, they have to move money. Would the Hawks take Petry and Granlund at a combined 11.2 cap hit for 2 yrs along with Yegar as the sweetener????? Kid has a ton of upside, plays center, skates pretty well, plays the game fast and has produced big time in Major Junior....... I was pretty sure Yegar would be the kid to fall to 19 and the Hawks would draft him. Would have been interesting if Yegar and Ritchie were there at 19 if Moore was gone.

Would it take more if the Hawks essentially bought Yegar for 2 yrs relief of 11.2 mil? Did not realize this but PIT has their 1st and 2nd rd picks the next 3 yrs and in 2 of those yrs have a 3rd rounder.

Would KD do it, and would Yegar be enough or does PIT have to add a pick too? I think Dubas just might. With the pipeline barren even moving Yegar to give the core a legit 2-3 yrs of a shot they still have plenty of picks to address the pipeline as they go all in for a couple yrs of a cup run.

I looked to see Granlund's recent numbers and noticed how damn good this kid was his draft yr, and all yrs up to his draft yr really, when he went 9th overall. Kid looked like a can't miss putting up 40 in 43 in the top Finnish pro league in his draft yr and went on to have totaled FIVE WJCs where he crushed!!..... His profile showed a long time pt per game NHLer. https://www.capfriendly.c...m/players/mikael-granlund

Always had read and thought defense was his weak link
- jhawk59

J, it's all on YouTube. You've seen enough hockey to watch even 5 minutes at YouTube to make vanilla calls on players/prospects instead of relying on what you read.

Whoever you read that Orlov is weak in his own zone delete them from your bookmarks. Probably the top minutes Dman for WSH in the playoffs when they won the cup. Heart and soul, money in the bank guy who has size and can skate.

This ain't usually my thing but PIT is really interesting. They resigned their old man core, Letang and Malkin, last yr to term, added Dman Graves, top 6 guy Reilly Smith and bottom 6 guys Eller and Acciara along with new GM Dubas. Nice adds by the way addressing a few needs.

They are definitely in win now mode as the core ages and are 2.3 mil over the cap. I'm assuming they think they have to be bold with the core aging, all are 3 over 35 and little in the pipeline.

Obviously they have to move money out to add. The word is they are looking hard at Karlsson and to do that they gotta be really creative. Or do they look to add a really good 2C in 30 yr old Schiefele moving 36 yr old Malkin to wing?

Are they gonna go all Vegas and screw tomorrow for today and figure it out as they go and load up knowing a Schiefele and Guentzel are only signed for a yr or 4 yrs of Karlsson?

No matter, they have to move money. Would the Hawks take Petry and Granlund at a combined 11.2 cap hit for 2 yrs along with Yegar as the sweetener????? Kid has a ton of upside, plays center, skates pretty well, plays the game fast and has produced big time in Major Junior....... I was pretty sure Yegar would be the kid to fall to 19 and the Hawks would draft him. Would have been interesting if Yegar and Ritchie were there at 19 if Moore was gone.

Would it take more if the Hawks essentially bought Yegar for 2 yrs relief of 11.2 mil? Did not realize this but PIT has their 1st and 2nd rd picks the next 3 yrs and in 2 of those yrs have a 3rd rounder.

Would KD do it, and would Yegar be enough or does PIT have to add a pick too? I think Dubas just might. With the pipeline barren even moving Yegar to give the core a legit 2-3 yrs of a shot they still have plenty of picks to address the pipeline as they go all in for a couple yrs of a cup run.

I looked to see Granlund's recent numbers and noticed how damn good this kid was his draft yr, and all yrs up to his draft yr really, when he went 9th overall. Kid looked like a can't miss putting up 40 in 43 in the top Finnish pro league in his draft yr and went on to have totaled FIVE WJCs where he crushed!!..... His profile showed a long time pt per game NHLer. https://www.capfriendly.c...m/players/mikael-granlund
- Mr Ricochet

Since everyone, understandably, wants to compare everything to the cup era team…we need KD to find his Patrick Sharp type trade. Maybe Yegar is the new Sharpy?

Since everyone, understandably, wants to compare everything to the cup era team…we need KD to find his Patrick Sharp type trade. Maybe Yegar is the new Sharpy?
- Ogilthorpe2

If that were to happen, does that mean Yegar will become your new Sharp?

Since everyone, understandably, wants to compare everything to the cup era team…we need KD to find his Patrick Sharp type trade. Maybe Yegar is the new Sharpy?
- Ogilthorpe2

Why does he have to trade for him? Maybe he just drafts or signs him.

https://twitter.com/BR_Op.../1677370227204534272?s=01

Interesting breakdown of Bedard

Since everyone, understandably, wants to compare everything to the cup era team…we need KD to find his Patrick Sharp type trade. Maybe Yegar is the new Sharpy?
- Ogilthorpe2

And if we’re finding “new” ex hawks the team needs to find, let’s hope they find one of favorite all time Hawks Dave Bolland.

This ain't usually my thing but PIT is really interesting. They resigned their old man core, Letang and Malkin, last yr to term, added Dman Graves, top 6 guy Reilly Smith and bottom 6 guys Eller and Acciara along with new GM Dubas. Nice adds by the way addressing a few needs.

They are definitely in win now mode as the core ages and are 2.3 mil over the cap. I'm assuming they think they have to be bold with the core aging, all are 3 over 35 and little in the pipeline.

Obviously they have to move money out to add. The word is they are looking hard at Karlsson and to do that they gotta be really creative. Or do they look to add a really good 2C in 30 yr old Schiefele moving 36 yr old Malkin to wing?

Are they gonna go all Vegas and screw tomorrow for today and figure it out as they go and load up knowing a Schiefele and Guentzel are only signed for a yr or 4 yrs of Karlsson?

No matter, they have to move money. Would the Hawks take Petry and Granlund at a combined 11.2 cap hit for 2 yrs along with Yegar as the sweetener????? Kid has a ton of upside, plays center, skates pretty well, plays the game fast and has produced big time in Major Junior....... I was pretty sure Yegar would be the kid to fall to 19 and the Hawks would draft him. Would have been interesting if Yegar and Ritchie were there at 19 if Moore was gone.

Would it take more if the Hawks essentially bought Yegar for 2 yrs relief of 11.2 mil? Did not realize this but PIT has their 1st and 2nd rd picks the next 3 yrs and in 2 of those yrs have a 3rd rounder.

Would KD do it, and would Yegar be enough or does PIT have to add a pick too? I think Dubas just might. With the pipeline barren even moving Yegar to give the core a legit 2-3 yrs of a shot they still have plenty of picks to address the pipeline as they go all in for a couple yrs of a cup run.

I looked to see Granlund's recent numbers and noticed how damn good this kid was his draft yr, and all yrs up to his draft yr really, when he went 9th overall. Kid looked like a can't miss putting up 40 in 43 in the top Finnish pro league in his draft yr and went on to have totaled FIVE WJCs where he crushed!!..... His profile showed a long time pt per game NHLer. https://www.capfriendly.c...m/players/mikael-granlund
- Mr Ricochet

You would be startled to read the hockeybuzz penguins analysis of the Yager pick

I know its unrealistic but it would be a wonderful problem to have

Vlasic S Jones
Korchinski Murphy
Kaiser Phillips

Allen next season can replace Murphy
DelMastro becomes part of the mix the following year

It's nice that since we are committed to the rebuild we can be patient and see how these dmen pan out

I do wonder if its too early to be pairing these combinations

No DUMBA will not.

Jones and Murphy have more leadership qualities and tire life.
- wiz1901

And of those two, which one has won the Masterson Trophy. I see one on Dumba's shelf. Just thought he would be an upgrade.

And if we’re finding “new” ex hawks the team needs to find, let’s hope they find one of favorite all time Hawks Dave Bolland.
- paulr

I think the hope is Savoie becomes Bollandesque

I know its unrealistic but it would be a wonderful problem to have

Vlasic S Jones
Korchinski Murphy
Kaiser Phillips

Allen next season can replace Murphy
DelMastro becomes part of the mix the following year

It's nice that since we are committed to the rebuild we can be patient and see how these dmen pan out

I do wonder if its too early to be pairing these combinations
- BetweenTheDots

One or two of these guys will eventually be traded to fill other holes, let’s hope KD chooses the right ones.