Bill Meltzer: Preseason Gameday: 9/27/23 @ NYI

Bill Meltzer: Preseason Gameday: 9/27/23 @ NYI
- bmeltzer

If you thought Monday was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet!

If you thought Monday was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet!
- SuperSchennBros

E A G L E S

Was Jay Obrien a horrible draft pick or the Flyers development process ? Curios to know

I wanna continue arguing this Phil Myers topic myself. There was no way of knowing he was gonna be a bust on until his final year with the Flyers.

Was Jay Obrien a horrible draft pick or the Flyers development process ? Curios to know
- ClaudeFather

What development process?

Total AHL games played:

Konecny 0
Cates 0
Provorov 0
Farabee 5
JVR 7
Hart 18
Couturier 31
Allison 38
York 62
Frost 65
Laughton 105

Throw in the coaching carousel at the NHL level that these players have experienced and it's no wonder they've mostly failed to live up to expectations.

EDIT - missed Sanheim, 98 AHL games.

What development process?

Total AHL games played:

Konecny 0
Cates 0
Provorov 0
Farabee 5
JVR 7
Hart 18
Couturier 31
Allison 38
York 62
Frost 65
Laughton 105

Throw in the coaching carousel at the NHL level that these players have experienced and it's no wonder they've mostly failed to live up to expectations.
- Quetzalcoatl

Almost all of those players you’ve listed have lived up to expectations 😂

If you thought Monday was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet!
- SuperSchennBros

10-0 Islanders..

Almost all of those players you’ve listed have lived up to expectations 😂
- ClaudeFather

no, the question is how many of them would be great stars had we just developed them correctly.

I wanna continue arguing this Phil Myers topic myself. There was no way of knowing he was gonna be a bust on until his final year with the Flyers.
- SuperSchennBros

why, you don't believe it, so it must not be true.

Flyers season - Under/over

30 Wins

15 OTL

225 Goals For

275 Goals Against

Finish #27 overall (bottom 5 NHL)

Flyers season - Under/over

30 Wins

15 OTL

225 Goals For

275 Goals Against

Finish #27 overall (bottom 5 NHL)
- cdearth23

If I do my math right, it comes to 75 points, same as last season.

Flyers season - Under/over

30 Wins

15 OTL

225 Goals For

275 Goals Against

Finish #27 overall (bottom 5 NHL)
- cdearth23

Under everything but GA. I think they finish dead last, lose the lottery and pick 3rd.

Under everything but GA. I think they finish dead last, lose the lottery and pick 3rd.
- Hextall271

30 wins seems like a stretch….

Almost all of those players you’ve listed have lived up to expectations 😂
- ClaudeFather

Let's see:

Konecny meeting expectations of a top 6 winger
Cates exceeding expectations for a 5th round pick
Provorov below expectations of a #1 dman
Farabee below expectations of a top 6 winger (on a good team)
JVR below expectations, #2 overall pick
Hart below expectations, career .906 save %
Couturier meeting expectations after a lengthy period to get there
Allison below expectations
York meeting expectations for a 2019 draft pick
Frost below expectations of a top 6 C (on a good team)
Laughton below expectations of a top 9 C, but 105 AHL games is reasonable

Bill Meltzer: Preseason Gameday: 9/27/23 @ NYI
- bmeltzer

No Cam Atkinson?

30 wins seems like a stretch….
- ClaudeFather

From what I see, I think more like 15 to 20 wins. Not going to be a fun season to watch.

Let's see:

Konecny meeting expectations of a top 6 winger
Cates exceeding expectations for a 5th round pick
Provorov below expectations of a #1 dman
Farabee below expectations of a top 6 winger (on a good team)
JVR below expectations, #2 overall pick
Hart below expectations, career .906 save %
Couturier meeting expectations after a lengthy period to get there
Allison below expectations
York meeting expectations for a 2019 draft pick
Frost below expectations of a top 6 C (on a good team)
Laughton below expectations of a top 9 C, but 105 AHL games is reasonable
- Quetzalcoatl

Provorov met expectations, he was never going to be a true #1, he was very solid when paired with a capable partner. Frost and Alison both lost significant time due to injury. Laughton had certainly met expectations, I’d say he’s exceeded them. Goalies are not great examples. And no one expected JVR to be a perennial all star, he has met expectations too, has had a nice career

Atkinson should be ready for opening night {lol}

Atkinson should be ready for opening night {lol}
- Dr. Pepper

Hopefully he doesn’t have that sh!tty smirk he did when asked about his injury this year

I get a kick out of defending either the Flyers development or scouting teams.

Both are dogpoop, but somehow after the last decade we choose to defend men who don’t deserve to be employed in a capacity?

They arent giving you lifetime jobs as well for kissing their ass, even if that’s the usual way into the Flyer family.

I wanna continue arguing this Phil Myers topic myself. There was no way of knowing he was gonna be a bust on until his final year with the Flyers.
- SuperSchennBros

They didn’t fool the Preds. They didn’t have expectations for him. It was a pure cap dump.

They didn’t fool the Preds. They didn’t have expectations for him. It was a pure cap dump.
- Minnyhock

The predators miraculously won that trade

I get a kick out of defending either the Flyers development or scouting teams.

Both are dogpoop, but somehow after the last decade we choose to defend men who don’t deserve to be employed in a capacity?

They arent giving you lifetime jobs as well for kissing their ass, even if that’s the usual way into the Flyer family.
- FlyerFan3260

Haven’t see anyone on here defending the flyers

Let's see:

Konecny meeting expectations of a top 6 winger
Cates exceeding expectations for a 5th round pick
Provorov below expectations of a #1 dman
Farabee below expectations of a top 6 winger (on a good team)
JVR below expectations, #2 overall pick
Hart below expectations, career .906 save %
Couturier meeting expectations after a lengthy period to get there
Allison below expectations
York meeting expectations for a 2019 draft pick
Frost below expectations of a top 6 C (on a good team)
Laughton below expectations of a top 9 C, but 105 AHL games reasonable
- Quetzalcoatl

"On a good team" means there's more surrounding talent, more scoring chances and more production to go with it. And for Hart, it means better defensive play in front of him, fewer backdoor goals and deflection opportunities and more goal support. Couturier has met expectations for the vast majority of his career relative to how he was actually used. In the early years, he wasn't utilized in ways conducive to a lot of offensive production.