I’m guessing it won’t be Robertson it would be Gambrell taking over that role.

Bertuzzi Matthews Marner
Knies JT Jarnkrok
Holmberg Nylander Domi
Gambrell Kampf Reaves

Rielly Brodie
McCabe Klingberg
Gio Liljegren
Benoit

Samsonov
Woll

That lineup leaves the leafs about $200K under the cap limit.
- Dozzer

Gregor, not Gambrell. Dylan is concussed

Gregor, not Gambrell. Dylan is concussed
- Canada Cup

Oh poop I had that flipped around, thank you for the correction. But yeah, you’re getting what I’m thinking I guess?

Cap shenanigans.
- mjones242

Exactly. Lightning have done it a few times. Luke Witowski comes to mind. I think they even put Bogosian on the 4th line once. Usually when they were running a man short to start with and then a d-man goes down.

The D with the injuries is a bit of mess so I have no opinion on the pairings at the moment, but to me this is the optimal forward group for a nice spread and mix on each line:

Bertuzzi-34-Nylander
Knies-JT-Marner
Domi-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Reaves-Gregor-Lafferty

End of the day just sitting having a coffee and some pancakes typing in a phone - so i guess who knows eh. Just like the balance this way personally.

Doesn't happen often, but lol
https://twitter.com/spen_...f1VgmBxtHlF5_tEy96jg&s=19

He'll still be an RFA after his deal is done, with year to be a UFA.
- dmnted

Same for all those I mentioned. It puts the team in a really bad spot. Player can elect arb and get to UFA as early as possible. Short term is good ...in the short term.

The D with the injuries is a bit of mess so I have no opinion on the pairings at the moment, but to me this is the optimal forward group for a nice spread and mix on each line:

Bertuzzi-34-Nylander
Knies-JT-Marner
Domi-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Reaves-Gregor-Lafferty

End of the day just sitting having a coffee and some pancakes typing in a phone - so i guess who knows eh. Just like the balance this way personally.
- Big23Questions

Nope. Unaffordable. Using this lineup would put them over $83.5

Nope. Unaffordable. Using this lineup would put them over $83.5
- Dozzer

Unless they go with 6D. But, I agree with you ...seems likely they'll do what they have to do to go with 7D (given Gio's age and Klingbergs injury).

To free up enough cap room to go 12F and 7D (and to bring this full circle to my original point) ...they need to move a FWD and after you rule out the 'aint going anywheres' it'd have to be Jarnkrok or Lafferty.

Unless they go with 6D. But, I agree with you ...seems likely they'll do what they have to do to go with 7D (given Gio's age and Klingbergs injury).

To free up enough cap room to go 12F and 7D (and to bring this full circle to my original point) ...they need to move a FWD and after you rule out the 'aint going anywheres' it'd have to be Jarnkrok or Lafferty.
- The Law

Drop Lafferty and roll with Holmberg then the problem is solved…. For now lol

I like Lafferty but is he worth adjusting the team’s behaviour around? (11 forwards instead of 12) Nope.

Nope. Unaffordable. Using this lineup would put them over $83.5
- Dozzer

Huh. Math was definitely never my strong suit.

I had:

Bertuzzi-34-Nylander
Knies-JT-Marner
Domi-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Reaves-Gregor-Lafferty

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Gio-Lily

Samsonov
Woll

Somehow my maths (2+2=Jello) came to:
82,097,283 + minimum for Gregor

Ah well.

What did you get? How about a flip of Laffy for Holmberg? Mayhaps that works? If Klingberg doesn’t start the season and Timmins out as well it should be good for at the start no?

Drop Lafferty and roll with Holmberg then the problem is solved…. For now lol

I like Lafferty but is he worth adjusting the team’s behaviour around? (11 forwards instead of 12) Nope.
- Dozzer

I think Holmberg has played well enough in the games I've seen him to have earned a spot. It's good seeing young guys given a chance before we trade them away. Grunstrom and such never got a sniff which is unfortunate

cap fap

I don't know what's with the Robertson hate.

Leafs have a good team, would rather give him some rope in hopes of helping him along to becoming a cheap effective player for the leafs for a few years than plugging in a replacement level Gambrell in.

Robertson or Gambrell, won't change where the leafs are at the end of the year.

Huh. Math was definitely never my strong suit.

I had:

Bertuzzi-34-Nylander
Knies-JT-Marner
Domi-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Reaves-Gregor-Lafferty

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Gio-Lily

Samsonov
Woll

Somehow my maths (2+2=Jello) came to:
82,097,283 + minimum for Gregor

Ah well.

What did you get? How about a flip of Laffy for Holmberg? Mayhaps that works? If Klingberg doesn’t start the season and Timmins out as well it should be good for at the start no?
- Big23Questions

I think it’s less a math problem and more of a need for a 7th D given Gio’s advancing decrepitude.

I’m starting to think they might move out a forward. Maybe Kampf? It’s too mean to Domi to line him up with Jarnkrok and Kampf

Honestly be ok trading Jarnkrok. Haven't been the biggest fan of his. Lafferty is cheaper. And I think Gregor on a cheap contract has earned a bottom 4th line role there. Lafferty to 3rd line should be able to keep up with Domi and provide some jump and defensive play there. Maybe even do that Kampf out and Holmberg in move there too.

I don't know what's with the Robertson hate.

Leafs have a good team, would rather give him some rope in hopes of helping him along to becoming a cheap effective player for the leafs for a few years than plugging in a replacement level Gambrell in.

Robertson or Gambrell, won't change where the leafs are at the end of the year.
- Santo_44

No hate but after missing as much time as he has, there’s nothing wrong with starting him in Etobicoke. I’d rather have him get his speed and timing back there than thrown into a 4th line spot that isn’t a good fit. He’s got the contract flexibility to be able to move back and forth as team need and his development dictate.

I think it’s less a math problem and more of a need for a 7th D given Gio’s advancing decrepitude.

I’m starting to think they might move out a forward. Maybe Kampf? It’s too mean to Domi to line him up with Jarnkrok and Kampf
- Canada Cup

If the math checks out (not sure man ha) then ya I agree with you that Gio needs to come in/out eh. Not sure he’s going for 82 this season.

I see what you mean with Kampf (where offence goes to die) but he is a solid defensive centre (5v5) and good on pk. Personally I’d move Laffy ahead of Jarnkrok or Kampf….but as I type maybe Jarnkrok over Laffy cause of cash and Laffy kills too.

I’ve now gone cross-eyed I have

I don't know what's with the Robertson hate.

Leafs have a good team, would rather give him some rope in hopes of helping him along to becoming a cheap effective player for the leafs for a few years than plugging in a replacement level Gambrell in.

Robertson or Gambrell, won't change where the leafs are at the end of the year.
- Santo_44

Not an NHL scorer and that’s what here’s for…he also comes from downtown born ready for you…and he’s a former Pete’s player but still don’t think he translates the skill to this level

If the math checks out (not sure man ha) then ya I agree with you that Gio needs to come in/out eh. Not sure he’s going for 82 this season.

I see what you mean with Kampf (where offence goes to die) but he is a solid defensive centre (5v5) and good on pk. Personally I’d move Laffy ahead of Jarnkrok or Kampf….but as I type maybe Jarnkrok over Laffy cause of cash and Laffy kills too.

I’ve now gone cross-eyed I have
- Big23Questions

Kampf $2.4
Jarnkrok $2.1
Lafferty $1.15

Jarnkrok can play up and down the lineup.
Keefe is their top PK guy and Keefe loves to throw him out to protect a lead.
Lafferty doesn’t provide that much help (only about $400K or so more than whoever you bring in to replace him).

Not an NHL scorer and that’s what here’s for…he also comes from downtown born ready for you…and he’s a former Pete’s player but still don’t think he translates the skill to this level
- Big23Questions

He just turned 22

He is young, no need to have to label him as an NHL scorer he has time to prove that

Would rather give him a chance than a Gambrell who is going to be fighting for PTOs next September

He just turned 22

He is young, no need to have to label him as an NHL scorer he has time to prove that

Would rather give him a chance than a Gambrell who is going to be fighting for PTOs next September
- Santo_44

Robertson did not get drafted for his physical presence, fighting, defensive skill. He was drafted in hopes his scoring would be there at the nhl level. It will not be. He doesn’t muck man. It’s not so much a label as much as it is understanding how the game works and what scouts and organizations look for when digging for prospects.

I hear SJ will be making the playoffs this year so maybe he would like a shot to solidify himself out on the west coast?

I could see Robertson having a good journeyman career in european leagues. Knies might eek out a fringe NHL career for a couple of years. Cowan is AHL fodder.

Kampf $2.4
Jarnkrok $2.1
Lafferty $1.15

Jarnkrok can play up and down the lineup.
Keefe is their top PK guy and Keefe loves to throw him out to protect a lead.
Lafferty doesn’t provide that much help (only about $400K or so more than whoever you bring in to replace him).
- Canada Cup

With your point (makes sense) with Laffy only giving the extra 400K or so - is that enough to make it all compliant though with Holmberg in instead? If yes I’d do that but if it needs to be Jarnkrok or Kampf I’d keep Kampf (centre) I think tue buds have a couple guys that play up and down to fill a need when it comes it as wingers throughout season on opening night roster but also with Marlies

I think Holmberg has played well enough in the games I've seen him to have earned a spot. It's good seeing young guys given a chance before we trade them away. Grunstrom and such never got a sniff which is unfortunate
- systemtool

Holmberg can be sent through the wire without losing him.

I could see Robertson having a good journeyman career in european leagues. Knies might eek out a fringe NHL career for a couple of years. Cowan is AHL fodder.
- Zezel

Haha - in all serious Knies looks like he’s ready to take a step this year man.

Cowan is too soon to tell you know. Had a heck of a pre season though good showing and I’m sore Shanny Tree Keefe all likes that he came on ready to go and prepared and didn’t look overwhelmed out there at such a young age. Mistakes for sure as expected but not overwhelmed - that’s very important in your first camp as a high pick prospect