fried up some spam. hits the spot every once in a long while
- hello it's me 2050

May God have mercy on you and your digestive system.

I went a few steps up and had some scrapple, hashbrowns, and eggs

Torts is an bumhole. I'm not even a fan of Frost but I wanted to see him in the lineup. My mind was made up last season with those "totally random" scratches. Says he had no idea Sanheim had family and friends attending the game in Calgary. F you.

Torts is putting Briere in a tough spot.

just trade Laughton and problem solved
Source: Captain Obvious
- Bayareaflyer

And they do what with the return? How is that different from Frost, in reality... other than an older and more established player?

Point is, if Torts is set on this lineup, aren't Flyers pretty much locked in... until injury(s)/downturn?

You seem to be confused. It's not about a one period benching. Hayes was having a career offensive season. Made the all star team. Was having a strong season when Tortorella decided to mess with him and demoted him to the 3rd line. Cut his ice time and his PP time. Not just for one period of a game. Announced to the hockey world that we don't want this guy anymore. Instead of realizing that by continuing to play him more and let him continue on his career offensive season and increase his value. Doesn't matter if he is soft or not.
Tortorella should've been a used car salesman. That's his true calling. He has so many fans buying into working harder and playing harder shift by shift. That's the current selling point and many are buying into it hook line and sinker. I find watching a skilled, talented quality team who is in contention for the cup pleasurable to watch. The issue with the Flyers has never been about being soft, not playing hard, issues in the locker room and all that other nonsense. The Flyers issue has been about skill and talent.
- MJL

Well, we can agree that Torts should have handled the Hayes situation better, but as we both said, they were never gonna get that much for Hayes regardless. What I would rather see the most is a truly talented team that brings it every night. I will absolutely disagree with the last part about this team not being soft and having leadership issues in the room. I've watched tons of Flyers hockey over the years and the Giroux/Voracek era was easily the softest era of Flyers hockey that I have ever witnessed. Slow starts to games were a constant. I think the Flyers are leading the league in first period goals this season. They show up ready to play! Yes, I know Giroux and Voracek didn't have lots of talent around them, but those teams were cringe worthy as far as team toughness. We just gonna have to agree to disagree on that.

Figure on a pretty solid tilt between Nicky D -who I still miss in Anaheim- and Big Boss Ross.

I hope Leo plays today... we are a completely different team with the kid in the lineup.. he's the real deal.

Should be a good game.
- dozerD10

Leo does seem like he belongs already.
Not sure what to think about them bringing him in so slowly. I am sure that as fans you wwnt to see Leo play more often.
I would have played him more already and then let it cool down a little after the first couple of months and let him recharge.
Unfortunately or maybe fortunately, I don't make those decisions though.
Anaheim does have a deep deep pool of really good prospects to dip into. You guys should be back into contention for the playoffs within a few years.

#freeLeo - I want to see him play

Well, we can agree that Torts should have handled the Hayes situation better, but as we both said, they were never gonna get that much for Hayes regardless. What I would rather see the most is a truly talented team that brings it every night. I will absolutely disagree with the last part about this team not being soft and having leadership issues in the room. I've watched tons of Flyers hockey over the years and the Giroux/Voracek era was easily the softest era of Flyers hockey that I have ever witnessed. Slow starts to games were a constant. I think the Flyers are leading the league in first period goals this season. They show up ready to play! Yes, I know Giroux and Voracek didn't have lots of talent around them, but those teams were cringe worthy as far as team toughness. We just gonna have to agree to disagree on that.
- Phillywhiteout

You're mistaking the Flyers issues for being soft. Rather than what it actually is which is a lack of talent. Being tough to play against is having the puck more and attacking the other team. You've bought into the Flyers BS. Leadership is solved with winning. Talent and skill are at the forefront.
In my book, a 3rd round pick is better than a 6th round pick even if both are considered "not that much".

They're really not between a rock and hard place. This team's main focus should be on rebuilding for the future. Focus on that and the decisions are easy to make.
- MJL

When they still want to win games, and bring back the fannies in the seats... revenue... and they can possibly still win while rebuilding... they are kinda between a rock and hard place. One problem is that there will always be a divided fanbase... and fans will either return or stay away. Not an easy path actually, unless they are keyboard cowboys as we are.

I feel like you aren't wrong either. I don't know if it's fact or not, but they seem to suck in day games. Their only clunker this season was a day game.
- Phillywhiteout

For a long time when I saw an afternoon game, I automatically thought of a loss coming.
But then again for a long time everytime the flyers took the ice, I also saw a loss coming.

I guess we will find out in a few hours [/img]

Torts is an bumhole. I'm not even a fan of Frost but I wanted to see him in the lineup. My mind was made up last season with those "totally random" scratches. Says he had no idea Sanheim had family and friends attending the game in Calgary. F you.

Torts is putting Briere in a tough spot.
- cdearth23

He coincidentally scratched sanheim at his home city and frost got his at his home city as well, but also got even more after that.
Torts is a liar. If he will lie about that he will lie about everything else too
I trust his words as much as I trust a fart when I have a stomach flu

Leo does seem like he belongs already.
Not sure what to think about them bringing him in so slowly. I am sure that as fans you wwnt to see Leo play more often.
I would have played him more already and then let it cool down a little after the first couple of months and let him recharge.
Unfortunately or maybe fortunately, I don't make those decisions though.
Anaheim does have a deep deep pool of really good prospects to dip into. You guys should be back into contention for the playoffs within a few years.

#freeLeo - I want to see him play
- Bob Habib

Verbeek I don't agree with everything he does... And I was bent on the Leo pick when it happened ... but I was wrong -

the plan seems to make some sense as he had a lot of games last yr. with the SHL and World Jr's -

Minty and LaCombe on the backend have both been a revelation - esp Minty that kid is a complete stud. Gudas and the Boosh have been good adds also.. when Drysdale gets back we should be pretty on the D.

And having Cronin as a coach with actual systems in place.. makes a huge difference over the swarm.

You're mistaking the Flyers issues for being soft. Rather than what it actually is which is a lack of talent. Being tough to play against is having the puck more and attacking the other team. You've bought into the Flyers BS. Leadership is solved with winning. Talent and skill are at the forefront.
In my book, a 3rd round pick is better than a 6th round pick even is both are considered "not that much".
- MJL

I don't buy into any BS. I observe and formulate my own opinions. The Flyers are still lacking the skill and talent to be a true contender, and that isn't gonna change for awhile. I look at sports from an entertainment standpoint and right now this team is fun to watch. Would you rather them just acknowledge that they don't have the talent and just not show up? I wonder what the percentage difference is between 3rd round picks and 6th round picks as far as how many make it to the NHL. I mean, I know the percentage is higher for 3rd rounders, but I wonder by how much. Most of the NHLers come from the first and second rounds as far as I know.

just trade Laughton and problem solved
Source: Captain Obvious
- Bayareaflyer

To loosely quote Allen Iverson, To who, for what?





https://www.capfriendly.com/

Who will score the first goal today?

And final score predictions?

To loosely quote Allen Iverson, To who, for what?





https://www.capfriendly.com/
- MBFlyerfan

Uuummm, I think you are quoting the wrong player. I thought that was one of the Eagles running backs that said that? His name escapes me at the moment. Ricky Waters? I dunno...

When they still want to win games, and bring back the fannies in the seats... revenue... and they can possibly still win while rebuilding... they are kinda between a rock and hard place. One problem is that there will always be a divided fanbase... and fans will either return or stay away. Not an easy path actually, unless they are keyboard cowboys as we are.
- ForeverFlyer16

Again, if they're between a rock and a hard place, it's because they put themselves there. What do they want to do? Just be competitive and sell tickets? If things break right, maybe they make a single run. Or do they really want to win? I know the former is not enough for me anymore. If they put themselves in the right spot, in my way of thinking, the decision on a player like Frost and many future similar situations. Is an easy call.

I don't buy into any BS. I observe and formulate my own opinions. The Flyers are still lacking the skill and talent to be a true contender, and that isn't gonna change for awhile. I look at sports from an entertainment standpoint and right now this team is fun to watch. Would you rather them just acknowledge that they don't have the talent and just not show up? I wonder what the percentage difference is between 3rd round picks and 6th round picks as far as how many make it to the NHL. I mean, I know the percentage is higher for 3rd rounders, but I wonder by how much. Most of the NHLers come from the first and second rounds as far as I know.
- Phillywhiteout

When you're touting being harder to play against and putting the Flyers issues on that as well as other issues such as leadership, problems in the locker room, etc. over talent, skill and speed. That's buying into the BS. It's one of the first talking points Tortorella spouted when hired. How he believed there were problems in the locker room. Despite never being in the locker room.

You're mistaking the Flyers issues for being soft. Rather than what it actually is which is a lack of talent. Being tough to play against is having the puck more and attacking the other team. You've bought into the Flyers BS. Leadership is solved with winning. Talent and skill are at the forefront.
In my book, a 3rd round pick is better than a 6th round pick even if both are considered "not that much".
- MJL

My impression of soft is, they hit you and you nothing back. They smack your best players around and you don't do anything in retort.

There are 2 kinds of tough to pkay against, physical and skill. Flyers have lacked both for quite awhile.

Uuummm, I think you are quoting the wrong player. I thought that was one of the Eagles running backs that said that? His name escapes me at the moment. Ricky Waters? I dunno...
- Phillywhiteout

Waters it was.

My impression of soft is, they hit you and you nothing back. They smack your best players around and you don't do anything in retort.

There are 2 kinds of tough to pkay against, physical and skill. Flyers have lacked both for quite awhile.
- WhiskeyMan

That's another of the Flyers selling points. Which is why they keep using players such as Nic Deslauriers. Not that being tough and hard to play against doesn't matter. It's that the physical tough to play against that you refer to. Matters the most.

While there are similarities between the situation I feel one glaring difference between Hayes and Frost is the book was already written on Hayes. With Frost its still being written.

I think a few teams would take a shot on Frost.

You seem to be confused. It's not about a one period benching. Hayes was having a career offensive season. Made the all star team. Was having a strong season when Tortorella decided to mess with him and demoted him to the 3rd line. Cut his ice time and his PP time. Not just for one period of a game. Announced to the hockey world that we don't want this guy anymore. Instead of realizing that by continuing to play him more and let him continue on his career offensive season and increase his value. Doesn't matter if he is soft or not.
Tortorella should've been a used car salesman. That's his true calling. He has so many fans buying into working harder and playing harder shift by shift. That's the current selling point and many are buying into it hook line and sinker. I find watching a skilled, talented quality team who is in contention for the cup pleasurable to watch. The issue with the Flyers has never been about being soft, not playing hard, issues in the locker room and all that other nonsense. The Flyers issue has been about skill and talent.
- MJL

Don't you think all the GM's know what type of player Hayes his and what he has to offer at this point? So you really think fluffing up his stats would have made that much of a difference in a trade? A GM sees through that on a vet player. Again doesnt excuse what the coach did.

It is ok to say your assessment is wrong Cliff. Mine on Hayes was as I def thought with 50% retention he would get a good return. He didn't

May God have mercy on you and your digestive system.

I went a few steps up and had some scrapple, hashbrowns, and eggs
- Bob Habib

well it didn't sit well in the stomach at all.

While there are similarities between the situation I feel one glaring difference between Hayes and Frost is the book was already written on Hayes. With Frost its still being written.

I think a few teams would take a shot on Frost.
- Pelle31Forever

Exactly! Frost has a good contract and lots of potential upside. I really don't think Briere is in a bad place with Frost at all. Hayes is what he is and everyone knows it by now.

You're mistaking the Flyers issues for being soft. Rather than what it actually is which is a lack of talent. Being tough to play against is having the puck more and attacking the other team. You've bought into the Flyers BS. Leadership is solved with winning. Talent and skill are at the forefront.
In my book, a 3rd round pick is better than a 6th round pick even if both are considered "not that much".
- MJL

why do you refuse to accept that it was both? doesnt have to either or

This may be a dumb question and my apologies if it is...

Morgan Frost that's who Flyer fans want to get rid of ???

81 games last yr.. 46 pts for 1.5 mil or so a yr... 24 yrs old and a Center ...

If that is the case.. you are playing a team today that would be more than happy to take him off your hands for picks and prospects I would think.