He can't (frank)ing play hockey. And he's clearly not deterring anything. He's not even responding to what he isn't deterring. Your argument does not hold water, AT ALL.
- fifty__missions

First - love the ALL CAPS. Makes me think your point does hold water.

Second - I’m now convinced that you are a negative troll and not a Leafs fan. No way you could’ve watched games previous years and not have been pissed at the abuse 34 16 88 91 but specifically the first two took throughout the season. It would be a full out lie to further your point to say that hasn’t happened. In fact folks in here have rightfully been angry of those boys getting abused.

Third - he did all he could from the bench. Cause that’s where his coach (who hates the rough games because his roster is soft) kept him.

Lastly - they haven’t been touched all year so far. They won’t be. When you are and especially if it goes without a response, you can then tell me my argument holds no water.

Begging you to actually watch the game for once in your life.
- GreatGigInTheSky

i beg you put down your made up Marchand anxiety meter

Because people see highlights and then think they are getting real "tough" and "power forwards". There's a reason Bertuzzi and Domi haven't found real homes on any team.

Reaves was decent at this job once upon a time.
- Aaron_85

Bertuzzi was a red wing from 18 to 27 years old ffs.

Bruins couldn't afford his cap hit with the Bergeron Krejci cap charges.

Such a factless statement from you.

Klingbergs value went up for me just for the fact that he did something.

For all the people female doging about Reaves.. He is a (frank)ing 4th liner who might play 7 minutes and the success of the team is in no way determined if he plays well or not..


Also, I think it is time for Keefe to go

Klingbergs value went up for me just for the fact that he did something.

For all the people female doging about Reaves.. He is a (frank)ing 4th liner who might play 7 minutes and the success of the team is in no way determined if he plays well or not..


Also, I think it is time for Keefe to go
- Azuredoom

It may be time to start making changes to this team, the way they reacted was horrid, hopefully Shanahan sees this because now I’m realizing he’s calling the shots… it’s why Lamoriello and Dubas are gone I’m thinking tbh. Different GM? Team still plays the same, and any GM who might want to make notable changes gets let go of.

That 5-0 loss to Boston sure has folks riled up.

That 5-0 loss to Boston sure has folks riled up.
- Canada Cup

This isn’t about their skill, it’s about their attitudes

They can play just fine, do they back their team members up? Nope, not worth a poop

This isn’t about their skill, it’s about their attitudes

They can play just fine, do they back their team members up? Nope, not worth a poop
- Dozzer

Doesn't mean you blow it up. Ffs

Should have had an over/under on winning percentage after 10 games and whether or not people would want to fire Keefe. .600, I would have said probably no people would not be talking about firing the coach if they were 5-3-2. Probably would have said it would take .500.
- Zezel

To be fair, I was on the fire Keefe train in the off-season. I very much wanted Brunette as coach.

i beg you put down your made up Marchand anxiety meter
- drexel

Literal video evidence to back me up.

But go on. Continue to add nothing to anything and be negative about everything anyone says. Your input is, as always, highly valued where ever you tread.

Doesn't mean you blow it up. Ffs
- Santo_44

Yes it does, change the coach, see if a new one can get them playing differently, if not, no team should more than 1 or 2 cowardly stars that don’t do poop when necessary.

Talent is only half of what’s important. You’ll never convince me otherwise. For instance I’d take a Clark or Gilmour type of captain over JT right now happily. Don’t give a (frank) of “how good” he’s playing.

Yes it does, change the coach, see if a new one can get them playing differently, if not, no team should more than 1 or 2 cowardly stars that don’t do poop when necessary.

Talent is only half of what’s important. You’ll never convince me otherwise. For instance I’d take a Clark or Gilmour type of captain over JT right now happily. Don’t give a (frank) of “how good” he’s playing.
- Dozzer

Needs more time before you make changes like that.

Only 10 games in.

And even then the 10 games don't suggest to make firings or crazy trades.

Oilers and Flames have 4 wins combined and they aren't even there.

Needs more time before you make changes like that.

Only 10 games in.

And even then the 10 games don't suggest to make firings or crazy trades.

Oilers and Flames have 4 wins combined and they aren't even there.
- Santo_44

I think the Flames are starting to get to it.

They sent done Corronato, or however his name is spelled, and he's been one of their best players this season.

Think it's a sign they're about to blow it up. Guys not under contract are about to be traded out.

And if they can find a team stupid enough to take Huberdeau, they'll trade him, too.

I think the Flames are starting to get to it.

They sent done Corronato, or however his name is spelled, and he's been one of their best players this season.

Think it's a sign they're about to blow it up. Guys not under contract are about to be traded out.

And if they can find a team stupid enough to take Huberdeau, they'll trade him, too.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I know, my point is there's the Flames and then there's the Leafs. One is not like the other

Oilers are even in a position where it would be dumb to do anything drastic. Let good players and good coaches figure it out before you make change for sake of change.

Flames were already a bubble team coming in so the start isn't too surprising.

I know, my point is there's the Flames and then there's the Leafs. One is not like the other

Oilers are even in a position where it would be dumb to do anything drastic. Let good players and good coaches figure it out before you make change for sake of change.

Flames were already a bubble team coming in so the start isn't too surprising.
- Santo_44

Oh, ok. Guess I focused too much on your last line.

I picked Calgary to make the playoffs this season. And they're done not even 10 games in.

Needs more time before you make changes like that.

Only 10 games in.

And even then the 10 games don't suggest to make firings or crazy trades.

Oilers and Flames have 4 wins combined and they aren't even there.
- Santo_44

I don’t think it’s blowing the roster as a whole but it definitely needs to be adjusted. The adjustment needs to be drastic enough to move the needle.

The forwards: Top 4 skill guys are all the exact same type of player. Not tough not physical. That’s not a good combo. When you look at the top talent of the better teams their skill guys also get dirty when needed.

The Dcore: aside from Gio (bless him but he’s at the end here) all the same type. Sure there different in that a couple more defensive than the others but all soft in every area of the game. Not good mix.

The move that is needed is clearly 16 or 88 to me. Packaged with other players and picks it would get it done I think. I would personally do one or 16 or 88 and maybe even JT if he didn’t have the no movement. I love JT always have even pre Leafs but this team needs the change to stop being a soft mindset team. That doesn’t win come playoff time when time and space get taken away and physicality game after game starts to ramp up in most series.

Oh, ok. Guess I focused too much on your last line.

I picked Calgary to make the playoffs this season. And they're done not even 10 games in.
- GreatGigInTheSky

They are done and that’s nuts. Such a weird scene out there. When you look on paper it’s fine - until you watch in the actual game it’s not. Kinda like looking at the Buds. You look on paper and see so much high end talent but then in the actual game realize it’s not a good mix

I think the Flames are starting to get to it.

They sent done Corronato, or however his name is spelled, and he's been one of their best players this season.

Think it's a sign they're about to blow it up. Guys not under contract are about to be traded out.

And if they can find a team stupid enough to take Huberdeau, they'll trade him, too.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Coronato has 2 points and is - 9

I don’t think it’s blowing the roster as a whole but it definitely needs to be adjusted. The adjustment needs to be drastic enough to move the needle.

The forwards: Top 4 skill guys are all the exact same type of player. Not tough not physical. That’s not a good combo. When you look at the top talent of the better teams their skill guys also get dirty when needed.

The Dcore: aside from Gio (bless him but he’s at the end here) all the same type. Sure there different in that a couple more defensive than the others but all soft in every area of the game. Not good mix.

The move that is needed is clearly 16 or 88 to me. Packaged with other players and picks it would get it done I think. I would personally do one or 16 or 88 and maybe even JT if he didn’t have the no movement. I love JT always have even pre Leafs but this team needs the change to stop being a soft mindset team. That doesn’t win come playoff time when time and space get taken away and physicality game after game starts to ramp up in most series.
- Big23Questions

Totally disagree, dumb to trade Marner or Nylander.

Can't wait for the Leafs to start winning again so these type of convos are gone.

Oh, ok. Guess I focused too much on your last line.

I picked Calgary to make the playoffs this season. And they're done not even 10 games in.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Well their forward group is pretty bad, they don't have any stars which is what wins in todays NHL.

Huberdeau should be one but he is playing so bad right now.

The top end of their forward group are just low end 1st and 2nd liners.

Totally disagree, dumb to trade Marner or Nylander.

Can't wait for the Leafs to start winning again so these type of convos are gone.
- Santo_44

You can’t have all the same types of players taking up all that cap. It hasn’t worked in playoffs. I’m positive they will start lighting it up in the regular season - and I’m positive they will fade in the playoffs.

You can’t fix the issues (mid6 &dcore) enough to move the needle by trading a $2M - $5M player. In that scene you would need to move multiple players creating more holes in the lineup. Using one of those big boys (preferably 10.9M) allows you to get multiple players back creating a more solid deeper lineup throughout first and group and stabilized the horrific defensive softness on the back end. You can’t have all that up front in 4 forwards and fill the rest with meh.

Well their forward group is pretty bad, they don't have any stars which is what wins in todays NHL.

Huberdeau should be one but he is playing so bad right now.

The top end of their forward group are just low end 1st and 2nd liners.
- Santo_44

yeah its amazing. Huberdoh would have been a lock for Team Canada 2 years ago. Lindholm doesnt look like himself either. youd think all those guys in contract year would be rolling.

https://twitter.com/J_Swi...tatus/1720502877851152473

Coronato has 2 points and is - 9
- drexel

It's a low (frank)ing bar with that team

You can’t have all the same types of players taking up all that cap. It hasn’t worked in playoffs. I’m positive they will start lighting it up in the regular season - and I’m positive they will fade in the playoffs.

You can’t fix the issues (mid6 &dcore) enough to move the needle by trading a $2M - $5M player. In that scene you would need to move multiple players creating more holes in the lineup. Using one of those big boys (preferably 10.9M) allows you to get multiple players back creating a more solid deeper lineup throughout first and group and stabilized the horrific defensive softness on the back end. You can’t have all that up front in 4 forwards and fill the rest with meh.
- Big23Questions

They aren't the same players.

They should focus on getting known good players in Domi, Bertuzzi going not going out and trading value for stuff they already have.

I just do not agree with you at all. I think its very stupid to trade any of the core talent the leafs have. Best chance to win is keeping them.