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- GreatGigInTheSky

Haha I was just reading that. Things could be worse. Leafs could’ve drafted a dud with their 1st overall like the habs.

yeah its amazing. Huberdoh would have been a lock for Team Canada 2 years ago. Lindholm doesnt look like himself either. youd think all those guys in contract year would be rolling.
- drexel

Gadreau and Tkachuk are true play drivers.

Lindholm isn't...some team will overpay him huge at 9M but he is a 7-7.5M player.

Hube is interesting, you would think he would at least be dishing out assists but he has just been plain bad.

Haha I was just reading that. Things could be worse. Leafs could’ve drafted a dud with their 1st overall like the habs.
- bryant

1st overall Engvall

I don't wanna poop on the kid, but I also thought him going 1st was never a good idea.

They aren't the same players.

They should focus on getting known good players in Domi, Bertuzzi going not going out and trading value for stuff they already have.

I just do not agree with you at all. I think its very stupid to trade any of the core talent the leafs have. Best chance to win is keeping them.
- Santo_44

34 - uses his frame well but not physical
16 - terrified and not physical no grease
88 - not physical no grease
91- not physical no grease

I like all 4 alit. Very fun to watch them play the game with that level of skill. It’s beautiful to watch at times (not at all being sarcastic it is).

They all play with the same level of physicality and willingness to get dirty. I think maybe you thought I meant shooter vs passer? I meant it in that way not how they are gifted with skill.

Best chance at winning is not keeping them together and all the cash tied up in the same 4 that haven’t won for a while. That to me is dumb.

You can’t improve the roster on a meaningful level unless you move at least one. You just can’t.

EDIT: I take it back actually. I was wrong. JT does have some jam and gets ti the greasy areas in front. I don’t personally like the way he leads (in the room and by being a pro) I like the more on the ice pick up the boys leaders but that’s just a preference. But he still is not physical so soft in that regard.

Needs more time before you make changes like that.

Only 10 games in.

And even then the 10 games don't suggest to make firings or crazy trades.

Oilers and Flames have 4 wins combined and they aren't even there.
- Santo_44

Alright, I’ll concede, just needed to get a little vent outta myself, thanks for listening lol

I’d still like to see that team be a tad tougher tho, same guys, just with a bit of a line drawn

34 - uses his frame well but not physical
16 - terrified and not physical no grease
88 - not physical no grease
91- not physical no grease

I like all 4 alit. Very fun to watch them play the game with that level of skill. It’s beautiful to watch at times (not at all being sarcastic it is).

They all play with the same level of physicality and willingness to get dirty. I think maybe you thought I meant shooter vs passer? I meant it in that way not how they are gifted with skill.

Best chance at winning is not keeping them together and all the cash tied up in the same 4 that haven’t won for a while. That to me is dumb.

You can’t improve the roster on a meaningful level unless you move at least one. You just can’t.

EDIT: I take it back actually. I was wrong. JT does have some jam and gets ti the greasy areas in front. I don’t personally like the way he leads (in the room and by being a pro) I like the more on the ice pick up the boys leaders but that’s just a preference. But he still is not physical so soft in that regard.
- Big23Questions

They don't have to be like a Reaves.

Willy was one of the best players in the playoffs the first 2 rounds. Don't need to go out and trade one of them for a guy that has a "tough" label. Piss poor asset management and just makes the leafs worse.

The 3 of them are 26 years old. Just entering their prime and JT is magically looking better than he has since he was 27 at 33. I don't care that they haven't won yet, it will come.

Takes longer for some to win, its just the way it is. It is silly to overanalyze it and think new means better.

Hiring a guy who covered up sexual assault would lend pride to the jersey?
- Zezel

Charged but not convicted

Alright, I’ll concede, just needed to get a little vent outta myself, thanks for listening lol

I’d still like to see that team be a tad tougher tho, same guys, just with a bit of a line drawn
- Dozzer

I am sure it will come.

Last year at the TDL I was adamant on not wanting the leafs to trade for Domi. The guy had a nice run with Dallas.

Bertuzzi was coming off an injury and only scored 4 in 21 games with Boston then had that monster run.

We are taking 10 games like its the exact way how the rest of the year will plan out. Its up to the players and coaches to piece it all together.

So far Keefe has done a poor job but thankfully adjustments can be made, perspectives can be shifted. Take a breath, save the energy for celebrating or being angry if they fail, but they deserve time.

They don't have to be like a Reaves.

Willy was one of the best players in the playoffs the first 2 rounds. Don't need to go out and trade one of them for a guy that has a "tough" label. Piss poor asset management and just makes the leafs worse.

The 3 of them are 26 years old. Just entering their prime and JT is magically looking better than he has since he was 27 at 33. I don't care that they haven't won yet, it will come.

Takes longer for some to win, its just the way it is. It is silly to overanalyze it and think new means better.
- Santo_44

It won’t come!! It’s not going to come! They have been together for what, six years and have developed and progressed zero.

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that nobody has murdered Marchand on the ice for his predatory actions. His indifference to injuring other players is detestable. He needs a serious beating. If he turtles, just keep pummeling him until he passes out or gets knocked out.

If that doesn't straighten him out, do it again and again, every city he goes to, every game he plays.

Needs more time before you make changes like that.

Only 10 games in.

And even then the 10 games don't suggest to make firings or crazy trades.

Oilers and Flames have 4 wins combined and they aren't even there.
- Santo_44

Nah, this is game 300 with this coach and attitude.
I'm over the way this team is told to play. I like the talent and obviously they have the talent to be very good, but clearly from somewhere above the players they're neutering the "snot" brought in. There's no way Brad came in, signed Reaves and told him to not hit things and just play hockey.
There is an issue with the fans (and management) that needs to be adressed too. Kadri and Bunting were hearts of these teams and became unhinged because they were the only ones that gave a (frank). Its easy to single out the one tough guy. If they had any backup whatsoever, they wouldn't be getting suspended in scrums.
A 3rd line of Bunting-Kadri-Domi would have been theoretically great. Obviously with their current cap hits itd be a mess, but the idea of that line is what this team needs.
Point is, you can't cycle out your one tough guy and change the culture of the team. Maybe keep the guys who get angry? But half you guys ran them out of town and now wonder why nobody does anything. You wanted these guys gone, this is the result.

It won’t come!! It’s not going to come! They have been together for what, six years and have developed and progressed zero.
- Bullot

Wow so long, tear it down, burn it to the ground.

Still early yet gang. Been a Leaf fan too long to let this start bother me. Sure the Bruins are off to a fast start but we're at the top of the next tier.

Our D options will surely get tested with 37 out for a stretch. Have to admit, I'm warming up to Klingberg and Lagesson's not too shabby either.

GLG!

Wow so long, tear it down, burn it to the ground.
- Santo_44

So extreme! The core doesn’t work so your option is tear it to the ground!? Who says that? Only you core supporters. Things need to change……we say make changes and you say change nothing or tear it to the ground are the options. First of all Dubas left the contract situation such that it can’t be torn to the ground. Do you even know that!? The absolute only option we have is a Nylander trade. That’s how messed up the team is. We are stuck with this spineless group and you’re good with that! Love to chat with you in another six years and see what you think when they’ve won nothing and they are all up for contracts and raises again. If not 6 years then where is your line?? Is it 8 years, 10 years? When do you make changes??

They don't have to be like a Reaves.

Willy was one of the best players in the playoffs the first 2 rounds. Don't need to go out and trade one of them for a guy that has a "tough" label. Piss poor asset management and just makes the leafs worse.

The 3 of them are 26 years old. Just entering their prime and JT is magically looking better than he has since he was 27 at 33. I don't care that they haven't won yet, it will come.

Takes longer for some to win, its just the way it is. It is silly to overanalyze it and think new means better.
- Santo_44

Christ I hope your top skill players aren’t like Reaves. That would be horrible. A tough guy label? Nobody is saying that certainly not me. What I am saying is - Look at other teams: Boston, Tbay, Dallas, Avs, Canes, FLA, Knights - their top talent gets grimy out there. As a Leafs fan you should be able to attest to that with Boston Tbay through the years and Florida last year. Their talent can play with an edge. Leafs can’t.

Piss poor (puss poor) management is building a soft team to try to win a physical game. Then running back a soft expensive core of forwards who have failed year after year. Willy is been very good come playoff time. I agree. They didn’t win. So keep Willy and trade Marner then. He got some pints on last years first round then crickets.

Losing one of 16 or 88 won’t make the Leafa a non playoff team that can’t score man. Why? Cause they have 34 91 (one of) 16 or 88. They will still be fine on that side of the game. It would make them better on the backend.

A more balanced team = a better team.

Yes it does, change the coach, see if a new one can get them playing differently, if not, no team should more than 1 or 2 cowardly stars that don’t do poop when necessary.

Talent is only half of what’s important. You’ll never convince me otherwise. For instance I’d take a Clark or Gilmour type of captain over JT right now happily. Don’t give a (frank) of “how good” he’s playing.
- Dozzer

(frank) yes! Me too.

Needs more time before you make changes like that.

Only 10 games in of the 7th season of the exact same poope.

And even then the 10 games don't suggest to make firings or crazy trades.

Oilers and Flames have 4 wins combined and they aren't even there.
- Santo_44

Fixed that for you.

I am sure it will come.

Last year at the TDL I was adamant on not wanting the leafs to trade for Domi. The guy had a nice run with Dallas.

Bertuzzi was coming off an injury and only scored 4 in 21 games with Boston then had that monster run.

We are taking 10 games like its the exact way how the rest of the year will plan out. Its up to the players and coaches to piece it all together.

So far Keefe has done a poor job but thankfully adjustments can be made, perspectives can be shifted. Take a breath, save the energy for celebrating or being angry if they fail, but they deserve time.
- Santo_44

The only thing that upset me was the “looking away” at the douche of a player who just hurt one of the younger teammates seriously.

I’m not worried about Domi either, the guy had 56P in 80GP and 13 in 19 playoff games. The leafs got this guy for $3 mill? Steal.

The other thing to take note of when thinking of the bottom 6 is neither line 3 or 4 have even a pair of guys with a history of playing together.

Christ I hope your top skill players aren’t like Reaves. That would be horrible. A tough guy label? Nobody is saying that certainly not me. What I am saying is - Look at other teams: Boston, Tbay, Dallas, Avs, Canes, FLA, Knights - their top talent gets grimy out there. As a Leafs fan you should be able to attest to that with Boston Tbay through the years and Florida last year. Their talent can play with an edge. Leafs can’t.

Piss poor (puss poor) management is building a soft team to try to win a physical game. Then running back a soft expensive core of forwards who have failed year after year. Willy is been very good come playoff time. I agree. They didn’t win. So keep Willy and trade Marner then. He got some pints on last years first round then crickets.

Losing one of 16 or 88 won’t make the Leafa a non playoff team that can’t score man. Why? Cause they have 34 91 (one of) 16 or 88. They will still be fine on that side of the game. It would make them better on the backend.

A more balanced team = a better team.
- Big23Questions

Its a sloppy narrative that the core can't grind it out in the playoffs.

They were children for a few of those runs. Its not their fault they jumped right into Leafs playoff hockey at 18 and 19 years old.

Nylander has been labeled "soft" all these years and he was fantastic in playoffs. It is absolutely piss poor management to trade these gets to "balance" the team. This is a core group that wants to be here, thats not something a lot of teams can do and thats keep all their talent.

Its just a sloppy narrative that the core is soft, they are just entering prime years, the narrative that these guys "cant win" is stupidity.

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that nobody has murdered Marchand on the ice for his predatory actions. His indifference to injuring other players is detestable. He needs a serious beating. If he turtles, just keep pummeling him until he passes out or gets knocked out.

If that doesn't straighten him out, do it again and again, every city he goes to, every game he plays.
- GalacticStone

lilgren initiated physical battle and lost. BM didnt do anything on purpose. Everyone just hung up on the name

(frank) yes! Me too.
- underhill14

Even after admitting I was a tad over the top that is one thing I do wish JT realizes is a task belonging to a captain. If Keefe wasn’t putting a fighter on the ice after that cheap trip JT should have grabbed Marchand and started the damn fight

The only thing that upset me was the “looking away” at the douche of a player who just hurt one of the younger teammates seriously.

I’m not worried about Domi either, the guy had 56P in 80GP and 13 in 19 playoff games. The leafs got this guy for $3 mill? Steal.

The other thing to take note of when thinking of the bottom 6 is neither line 3 or 4 have even a pair of guys with a history of playing together.
- Dozzer

Yeah I think it was silly too.

I mean you get these tough edgy players, a play like this happens with 50 seconds left and Keefe has all 3 glued to the bench the for the rest of the period.

It was a bad look, and the next time it happens is when I will reserve judgment. This better have been a learning opportunity for Keefe.

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- Uranus

Is this what happens when you listen to Jack Edwards talk for too long?