Who do you have playing goal for the team? Ersson and sandstrom? I’d want a high first along with an nhl ready prospect. Preferably d.

One thing I wonder, everyone wants to get rid of hart like he’s 35. He just tuned 25 and in my view is just entering his prime with that possibly lasting until 32 let’s say? Some say his age doesn’t align with the rebuild, but Is the rebuild going to take 5 to 7 years or say 3? If so, keep him unless it’s an overpay.

Further, if we get rid of him, then we have to find an nhl tender and develop them with the hopes it works. If it doesn’t, we’re in a similar position as Edmonton and Toronto with this part of what’s holding them back. If they were plentiful I don’t see Edmonton paying Campbell as much as they did in desperation.

Not that hart is on the same level as price, but price has some of his best seasons aged 27 on. It takes a while to develop a tender and they are a hugely important cog to an emerging young teams success and having a solid vet in goal as you enter your window isn’t a bad proposition imo. Just my $.02.
- Hextall271

Michkov is still 3 seasons away from being here...he has another 2 full years in the KHL after this one. His arrival shouldn't announce the end of the rebuild, as it is going to take some time for him to adapt to the game over here. Realistically, even with Michkov getting in here in 2026, the team isn't just going to be a contender. It should take a couple of years once he is here to truely contend. Our defence needs the time too. So...a huge salary for Hart for 2 years of contending? or kickstarting the rebuild by adding what could be key pieces?

what do you want to pay hart in terms of $$ and term om his next deal?
- hello it's me 2050

Depends on many factors but would he take 6 mil? If his agent looks to make a case for much more than that it may be an issue. Depends on where the cap goes etc obviously.

Woodcroft out.
- landros 2

Sad, he sounded knowledgeable about the game. 1 AHL turkey goalie in Campbell. Who also destroyed their cap. Skinner is mediocre at the NHL level at best. A very unsymmetrical topsy-turvy roster who had no defensive abilities among forwards and D men. (➖️ Ekholm).

Michkov is still 3 seasons away from being here...he has another 2 full years in the KHL after this one. His arrival shouldn't announce the end of the rebuild, as it is going to take some time for him to adapt to the game over here. Realistically, even with Michkov getting in here in 2026, the team isn't just going to be a contender. It should take a couple of years once he is here to truely contend. Our defence needs the time too. So...a huge salary for Hart for 2 years of contending? or kickstarting the rebuild by adding what could be key pieces?
- TheFreak

Here is a list of trades including goaltenders. I don't see many that would be considered "kickstarting a rebuild". Unless you can get an overpay by a desperate team, might be best to keep the goaltending position secure.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...actions/goaltender/trade/

I am torn on Hart. I have watched him since he was a teenager, playing against the Victoria Royals when he was with Everett. He set records in the CHL, and he has everything you want from a #1 goalie. I don't think his timeline lines up with the Flyers, and feel the return from a desperate team like the Oilers could add pieces that would become big cogs in the rebuild.

I do feel Ersson is one of those goalies that needs to play a lot to stay sharp, and I would be ok running him out there as our regular. Him, Cal and Felix can hold the fort down. Playoff spot? no, but they are servicable for a team that should have no playoff expectations. Next year, Kolosov arrives, and we should all be pretty excited about him. I am retired, and have a lot of free time, so I watch the KHL games with him and Michkov playing in them, and he looks really, really good.
I am not worried about goaltending at this point, if a Hart return is too good to turn down.
- TheFreak

I agree that you would always take a ridiculous overpay as it would jump start the rebuild. Problem is with the oilers, what assets do they have? If we give them hart, I think they really have a shot at contending. Then your first round picks end up being almost second rounders. I’d want top prospects.

I think for too long we took the approach of don’t worry about the goaltending and it’s cost us. Again, my major point is I don’t agree that his age doesn’t align with the rebuild and I certainly don’t have faith that those 3 tenders can hold down the fort. Maybe kolosov but again it’s an unknown. Hart isn’t 35. When we are ready to contend, the lack of a tender might hold us back. Tenders prime years don’t tend to be 18 to 22. It’s normally later. So I guess it comes down to how long do you expect the rebuild to be? If it’s 5 to 7 or more, yes. 7 or more years, You’d likely want to trade everyone on the roster. I personally am hoping it’s closer to 3 with the right moves.

Here is a list of trades including goaltenders. I don't see many that would be considered "kickstarting a rebuild". Unless you can get an overpay by a desperate team, might be best to keep the goaltending position secure.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...actions/goaltender/trade/
- BenderRodriguez

Very good point. I think you need stability there imo. Unless it’s blow the doors off, a solid tender can really help support a young team as they grow.

Michkov is still 3 seasons away from being here...he has another 2 full years in the KHL after this one. His arrival shouldn't announce the end of the rebuild, as it is going to take some time for him to adapt to the game over here. Realistically, even with Michkov getting in here in 2026, the team isn't just going to be a contender. It should take a couple of years once he is here to truely contend. Our defence needs the time too. So...a huge salary for Hart for 2 years of contending? or kickstarting the rebuild by adding what could be key pieces?
- TheFreak

Question as well. Where else are you planning to spend the money? If coots and tk are gone. Who else might command a large salary? You’d hope that many players are on their entry or second contract. We simply won’t have a ton of guys to sign. The teams that want him to put them over the edge likely won’t have good enough picks or prospects to make it worthwhile.

nothing to do with frost, though is cutter a perimeter player. where are a lot of his goals scored at?
- hello it’s me 2050

Cutter and Frost are different players. I agree with Bill that Frost is more of a playmaker while Cutter is a shooter, and most of his goals are scored from the high slot or around the net on rebounds. You really can’t compare the two players.

I have to somewhat disagree with his first goal. He definitely made the goalie commit to the short side then went behind the net with speed. I think he knew exactly what he was doing, hoping for a bounce off the defenseman or the goalie. It was a heads up smart play.
- Angus4444

That’s what I mean, Frost took an intelligent risk there because he knew the goalie was out of position, but it was still luck that the puck found the net

Here is a list of trades including goaltenders. I don't see many that would be considered "kickstarting a rebuild". Unless you can get an overpay by a desperate team, might be best to keep the goaltending position secure.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...actions/goaltender/trade/
- BenderRodriguez

You keep Hart and the Flyers will be picking in the middle again trying to get top lines players that can match up with the tanking teams drafting at the very top. That’s a low percentage plan for actually winning a cup. Plus the Flyers are going to have to pay him a lot which you won’t find too many teams that have won cups with a goaltender as one of their top payed players.

The one area where the Flyers actually have quality depth in their system is goaltending. Doesn’t make much sense to keep him with all the other holes this team has.

Your opinion seems to be different than 99% of people out there...including the experts like Mckenzie on TSN, and Bill on this site...the professional writer who covers the Flyers for his career. I just think you are wrong.
You hold Frost to a different level of expectations than any other player in this league. His play this year and last year says he should be in the lineup, and scratching your most creative forward on a team that struggles to score is just idiotic. He is not supposed to be a net front presence, but a shifty, play making, skating forward who sets up the netfront presence. Your criticism of his play is based on what you percieve his role to be, but that perception is wrong.
He HAS played well, and better than Foerster and Brink when they are all in the lineup together.

Hmmm...Tippet has started scoring...coincides with him playing with Frost. No coincidence there at all.
- TheFreak

Firstly, I have been supportive of Frost staying in the line up, I was against I’m not playing. Nor am I holding him to an unreasonable standard. For Frost to be successful in this league he is going to have to be an effective second line center, period. And to do that you have to be noticeable just about shift, and whether you want to accept it or not, he isn’t! Also there are more people that question Frost, a lot more than 1%! Finally, if your bar for Frost is playing as well as two rookies then Frost is in trouble. Frost is not a rookie any more, he should be much better than Brink and Foerster at this point.

You keep Hart and the Flyers will be picking in the middle again trying to get top lines players that can match up with the tanking teams drafting at the very top. That’s a low percentage plan for actually winning a cup. Plus the Flyers are going to have to pay him a lot which you won’t find too many teams that have won cups with a goaltender as one of their top payed players.

The one area where the Flyers actually have quality depth in their system is goaltending. Doesn’t make much sense to keep him with all the other holes this team has.
- psuhockey

I get where you're coming from. I'm not sold either way. Just pointing out that you're not getting a haul for trading Hart. They've also finished pretty low in the standings the last few years, so it's not like they can't end up in position to draft high-end talent.

You keep Hart and the Flyers will be picking in the middle again trying to get top lines players that can match up with the tanking teams drafting at the very top. That’s a low percentage plan for actually winning a cup. Plus the Flyers are going to have to pay him a lot which you won’t find too many teams that have won cups with a goaltender as one of their top payed players.

The one area where the Flyers actually have quality depth in their system is goaltending. Doesn’t make much sense to keep him with all the other holes this team has.
- psuhockey

You won’t find many teams wining with a goaltender as one of their best players? What about Tampa? Two very recent cups and another trip to the final. St. Louis, LA with quick? I think people have seen colorado and Vegas win with no name goalies and the think that’s the template now. If you want to do that, boy you better have super elite d corps. Goaltending is still a very important part of the game. I think Edmonton and Toronto are realizing this.

I don’t think we know if we have quality depth at the g position yet. Ersson looks promising. Kolosov may be a player but I don’t see anything in sandstrom of Petersen TBH. So it’s possible but not sure if we have a starter in that group.

Yes. I’m fairly certain he’s not the coach for us moving toward but I have no real issue with him as long as he’s fostering the growth of the young players. Which he isn’t for all of them from what I see.
- Hextall271

And that is my primary issue with him.
Torts doesn't know how to use a player to the best of his ability and to play to his skill. Torts expects everybody to play tortsvway ans playing torts way can take away from the skill that certain players were drafted for.
He is frustrating

And play him on wing instead of who in the top 9?
- ClaudeFather

For frost of course. Duh. Cates is torts guy and can do no wrong

And that is my primary issue with him.
Torts doesn't know how to use a player to the best of his ability and to play to his skill. Torts expects everybody to play tortsvway ans playing torts way can take away from the skill that certain players were drafted for.
He is frustrating
- Bob Habib

What does he have? Two more years on this deal after this year?

What does he have? Two more years on this deal after this year?
- Hextall271

I believe so but what happens if he stays in the organization? He will still bully players he doesn't like and flex his micro penis all over everyone to do what he wants.
I hope he is gone for good in less than 2 years. He seems to build a team foundation but he's not developing players fairly, imo

Firstly, I have been supportive of Frost staying in the line up, I was against I’m not playing. Nor am I holding him to an unreasonable standard.
- jd250

You judge Frost, it seems shift by shift, and not game by game or week to week. Others, who are supposed to also be goal scorers, aren't scoring goals, and aren't critisized by you at all. Everyday, and yes I mean everyday, you come on here, and make a snide comment about Frost. It appears that you have different expectations for him than others.

For Frost to be successful in this league he is going to have to be an effective second line center, period. And to do that you have to be noticeable just about shift

Name 1 center in the league that stands out every single shift. Even McDavid has 2 points in 6 games....should he be scratched? Frost and Cates get compared to each other all the time. 2 different types of players. The reason, it seems, for this, is because Cates plays with what seems to be better offensive players (in what should be Frost's spot), and even when the game is on Cates stick and he blows it, there is no accountability for it. Frost gets no points when the team is shut out, and he gets benched. You agree with this thinking, and to me, it's wrong. Frost can't prove he belongs when he is being sat for lesser offensive players.

and whether you want to accept it or not, he isn’t!

Who is standing out more than Frost in the last handful of games?

Also there are more people that question Frost, a lot more than 1%!

Mainly due to Torts treatment of him. Have you ever heard of any teams leading scorer for most of the previous season being scratched like Frost has been? No, because most teams and coaches want the players to continue to grow, not try to stunt their play and put them in ridiculous situations setup to fail. Then to expect him to jump in after 2 weeks and be in better game shape than those who have been playing is unrealistic expectations. He has been allowed to play now and the results are coming in. Tippett is playing better with Frost than he has been all season, and Frost is getting his game legs under him, and putting points up

Finally, if your bar for Frost is playing as well as two rookies then Frost is in trouble. Frost is not a rookie any more, he should be much better than Brink and Foerster at this point.

I never said they were his bar. If they deserve to play through struggles and no goals, then so should Frost. Foerster hasn't looked like he did last year, and it feels like the team is pushing it to get him going. Brink has hit a wall. I want nothing but both these guys to produce, same with Frost.....but the treatment of them should be equal. Frost has been targeted by Torts, and your comments and daily jabs at him seem to defend Torts actions. My point about the two rookies is that neither of them is playing well enough to keep Frost out of the lineup, yet they get to keep playing while Frost gets sat. I know Brink was scratched last night....and I can see Foerster getting scratched against Carolina. But it should have been happening sooner than 15 games in.
I know Frost has higher expectations due to his year last year, but he hasn't even been getting the chance to replicate or exceed last year.

You won’t find many teams wining with a goaltender as one of their best players? What about Tampa? Two very recent cups and another trip to the final. St. Louis, LA with quick? I think people have seen colorado and Vegas win with no name goalies and the think that’s the template now. If you want to do that, boy you better have super elite d corps. Goaltending is still a very important part of the game. I think Edmonton and Toronto are realizing this.

I don’t think we know if we have quality depth at the g position yet. Ersson looks promising. Kolosov may be a player but I don’t see anything in sandstrom of Petersen TBH. So it’s possible but not sure if we have a starter in that group.
- Hextall271

Agreed

Frosty the Goal Man.

Cal with a nice win. Blind squirrel theory.

Is Risto still "day to day"?

Is Risto still "day to day"?
- Bayareaflyer

Would be funny if he came back and everything went to sh!t

Kolosov may be a player
- Hextall271

I expect more of a polished player coming over this summer, as he has already played 100 KHL games and is only 21. His worse save % is .905 for a season average.
Not as good as a Sorokin or Igor Shesterkin, but more of a polished product than a jumior product coming up. He has a couple shutouts this year and has been named KHL player of the month or whatever they call it over there. He has been named player of the game multiple times this year. He looks like a boafide goalie stud, just 21 with over 100 pro games under his belt already.

https://www.youtube.com/w...lYA&ab_channel=RyanOsobka

I expect more of a polished player coming over this summer, as he has already played 100 KHL games and is only 21. His worse save % is .905 for a season average.
Not as good as a Sorokin or Igor Shesterkin, but more of a polished product than a jumior product coming up. He has a couple shutouts this year and has been named KHL player of the month or whatever they call it over there. He has been named player of the game multiple times this year. He looks like a boafide goalie stud, just 21 with over 100 pro games under his belt already.

https://www.youtube.com/w...lYA&ab_channel=RyanOsobka
- TheFreak

trade hart and let him errson and sandstrom duke it out over the years, one will emerge with the team gets better

I get where you're coming from. I'm not sold either way. Just pointing out that you're not getting a haul for trading Hart. They've also finished pretty low in the standings the last few years, so it's not like they can't end up in position to draft high-end talent.
- BenderRodriguez

anyone expecting a haul for hart will be disappointed. Need a "bidding" war. I look at the teams with extra picks and prospects to spare who may go little more in an offer.

Why didnt hart play this weekend? Any idea why he was ruled out yesterday? Was he sick or injury related?